Esteem every man greater than yourself

Esteem every man greater than yourself

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Since: Dec 12

Swansea, UK

#1 Dec 28, 2012
How can the Govering Body esteem every man greater than themselves,which is a biblical command, when NO one can be greater than them on earth.

“Paradise Earth”

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#2 Dec 28, 2012
the fds wrote:
How can the Govering Body esteem every man greater than themselves,which is a biblical command, when NO one can be greater than them on earth.
So when you are in charge you think yourself better than everyone else?

That is sooo sad.

You can be in charge and have a humble opinion of yourself. At least you should do because that is what that scripture is all about.

And it is the Apostle Paul that said we should have appointed elders. Are you saying that Apostle Paul made a mistake?

“JWs PREACH LIES!”

Since: Dec 12

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#3 Dec 28, 2012
Here's the facts...

The jehovah's witnesses teach that the only true name for God is "jehovah", and that the only way God's name can be sanctified is by calling God by His true name.

This false religion claims that to call God by any other name is to dishonor Him.

Since the jehovah's witnesses put an exclusive emphasis on the name "jehovah", how can they honestly say they are being obedient to Acts 1:8?

Keep in mind the insertion of the name jehovah in the New Testament by jehovah's witnesses goes completely against what is found in the early manuscripts of the New Testament.

Jesus said to the disciples in Acts 1:8 "You will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be MY witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth".

There is only one name by which true followers of God should be identified. We are called to be witnesses of Jesus Christ, not the fake, fabricated name, jehovah!

Those of you who defend Satan's cult, the jehovah's witnesses should consider the truth:

In whose name should we meet together?(Matthew 18:20; 1 Corinthians 5:4)

Demons are subject to whose name?(Luke 10:17; Acts 16:18)

Repentance and forgiveness should be preached in whose name?(Luke 24:47)

In whose name are you to believe and receive the forgiveness of sins (John 1:12; 3:16; Acts 10:43; I John 3:23; 5:13)

By whose name, and NO OTHER, do we obtain salvation (Acts 4:12)

Whose name should be invoked as we bring our petitions to God in prayer?(John 14:13, 14; 15:16; 16:23, 24)

In whose name is the Holy Spirit sent?(John 14:26)

Whose name and authority was invoked by the disciples in healing the sick and lame?(Acts 3:16; 4:7-10, 30)

Whose name did Paul tell us to call upon (1 Corinthians 1:2)?

Whose name is above every name (Ephesians 1:21; Philippians 2:9-11)

The answer to each of these questions is Jesus Christ, not the fake, fabricated jehovah.

Real Christians are called to be witnesses of Jesus Christ.

False Christians witness for the fake, fabricated jehovah.

Since: Dec 12

Swansea, UK

#4 Dec 28, 2012
Aneirin wrote:
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So when you are in charge you think yourself better than everyone else?
That is sooo sad.
You can be in charge and have a humble opinion of yourself. At least you should do because that is what that scripture is all about.
And it is the Apostle Paul that said we should have appointed elders. Are you saying that Apostle Paul made a mistake?
Hi.
How can the Gov Body of the WTBTS esteem members of the Great Crowd "Greater" than themselves. please provide how they can do this to remain faithful to christ's command

Since: Dec 12

Swansea, UK

#5 Dec 28, 2012
J F Rutherford wrote:
Here's the facts...
The jehovah's witnesses teach that the only true name for God is "jehovah", and that the only way God's name can be sanctified is by calling God by His true name.
This false religion claims that to call God by any other name is to dishonor Him.
Since the jehovah's witnesses put an exclusive emphasis on the name "jehovah", how can they honestly say they are being obedient to Acts 1:8?
Keep in mind the insertion of the name jehovah in the New Testament by jehovah's witnesses goes completely against what is found in the early manuscripts of the New Testament.
Jesus said to the disciples in Acts 1:8 "You will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be MY witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth".
There is only one name by which true followers of God should be identified. We are called to be witnesses of Jesus Christ, not the fake, fabricated name, jehovah!
Those of you who defend Satan's cult, the jehovah's witnesses should consider the truth:
In whose name should we meet together?(Matthew 18:20; 1 Corinthians 5:4)
Demons are subject to whose name?(Luke 10:17; Acts 16:18)
Repentance and forgiveness should be preached in whose name?(Luke 24:47)
In whose name are you to believe and receive the forgiveness of sins (John 1:12; 3:16; Acts 10:43; I John 3:23; 5:13)
By whose name, and NO OTHER, do we obtain salvation (Acts 4:12)
Whose name should be invoked as we bring our petitions to God in prayer?(John 14:13, 14; 15:16; 16:23, 24)
In whose name is the Holy Spirit sent?(John 14:26)
Whose name and authority was invoked by the disciples in healing the sick and lame?(Acts 3:16; 4:7-10, 30)
Whose name did Paul tell us to call upon (1 Corinthians 1:2)?
Whose name is above every name (Ephesians 1:21; Philippians 2:9-11)
The answer to each of these questions is Jesus Christ, not the fake, fabricated jehovah.
Real Christians are called to be witnesses of Jesus Christ.
False Christians witness for the fake, fabricated jehovah.
Hi
thanks for the post i tend to mostly agree but fitting it to the topic is not easy but you wrote well

“Paradise Earth”

Since: Sep 11

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#6 Dec 28, 2012
J F Rutherford wrote:
Here's the facts...
The jehovah's witnesses teach that the only true name for God is "jehovah", and that the only way God's name can be sanctified is by calling God by His true name.
This false religion claims that to call God by any other name is to dishonor Him.
Since the jehovah's witnesses put an exclusive emphasis on the name "jehovah", how can they honestly say they are being obedient to Acts 1:8?
Keep in mind the insertion of the name jehovah in the New Testament by jehovah's witnesses goes completely against what is found in the early manuscripts of the New Testament.
Jesus said to the disciples in Acts 1:8 "You will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be MY witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth".
There is only one name by which true followers of God should be identified. We are called to be witnesses of Jesus Christ, not the fake, fabricated name, jehovah!
Those of you who defend Satan's cult, the jehovah's witnesses should consider the truth:
In whose name should we meet together?(Matthew 18:20; 1 Corinthians 5:4)
Demons are subject to whose name?(Luke 10:17; Acts 16:18)
Repentance and forgiveness should be preached in whose name?(Luke 24:47)
In whose name are you to believe and receive the forgiveness of sins (John 1:12; 3:16; Acts 10:43; I John 3:23; 5:13)
By whose name, and NO OTHER, do we obtain salvation (Acts 4:12)
Whose name should be invoked as we bring our petitions to God in prayer?(John 14:13, 14; 15:16; 16:23, 24)
In whose name is the Holy Spirit sent?(John 14:26)
Whose name and authority was invoked by the disciples in healing the sick and lame?(Acts 3:16; 4:7-10, 30)
Whose name did Paul tell us to call upon (1 Corinthians 1:2)?
Whose name is above every name (Ephesians 1:21; Philippians 2:9-11)
The answer to each of these questions is Jesus Christ, not the fake, fabricated jehovah.
Real Christians are called to be witnesses of Jesus Christ.
False Christians witness for the fake, fabricated jehovah.
This is all lies.

If you want to know the truth about what Jehovah's Witnesses teach you can find it here:

Jehovah's Witnesses:
http://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/

Jehovah's Witnesses' publications:
http://www.jw.org/en/publications/

Jehovah's Witnesses' Bible teachings:
http://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/

“Paradise Earth”

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#7 Dec 28, 2012
the fds wrote:
<quoted text>
Hi
thanks for the post i tend to mostly agree but fitting it to the topic is not easy but you wrote well
He lied.

I guess that's what you mean by "wrote well".

“Paradise Earth”

Since: Sep 11

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#8 Dec 28, 2012
the fds wrote:
<quoted text>
Hi.
How can the Gov Body of the WTBTS esteem members of the Great Crowd "Greater" than themselves. please provide how they can do this to remain faithful to christ's command
The fact that you can't understand how people can be genuinely modest regardless of their position speaks volumes about you as a person.

Now are you telling us that these two scriptures contradict one another?

*** Php 2:3 doing nothing through rivalry or through conceit, but in humility, each counting others better than himself;

*** Heb 13:17 Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they watch on behalf of your souls, as those who will give account, that they may do this with joy, and not with groaning, for that would be unprofitable for you.

Is that your story that it is impossible to follow BOTH scriptures? Does the Bible ask the impossible of us?

It is your lack of ability to be humble that is blinding you.

YES it IS possible to be humble even when you are in a position of leadership.

Being a leader doesn't make you better than anyone else it just means that you happen to have been tasked with different responsibilities.

Since: Dec 12

Swansea, UK

#9 Dec 28, 2012
Aneirin wrote:
<quoted text>
So when you are in charge you think yourself better than everyone else?
That is sooo sad.
You can be in charge and have a humble opinion of yourself. At least you should do because that is what that scripture is all about.
And it is the Apostle Paul that said we should have appointed elders. Are you saying that Apostle Paul made a mistake?
Hi again

you raise a few points which may side track the original question. please only answer the question which has been originaly posted.
but although you NOT have answered my question, i do agree that you to have a humble spirit and opinion of yourself and that appointments of elders is scriptural and no doubt elders in authority can and do put other peoples needs greater than their own. This was true of many elders who I knew.

but with regard to the Gov Body that has revealed that they alone are the resident FDS and the only ones in spiritual communication with the throne of God - see revelation, its grand climax book for proofs; want i would like you to tell me is How Do the Gov Body esteem the Great Crowd and members of the Anointed Classes "Greater" than themselves.

thanks

“JWs PREACH LIES!”

Since: Dec 12

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#10 Dec 28, 2012
The most important concept behind being a Jehovah's Witness is that you need to follow the Watchtower organization for salvation.

This is the most significant concept behind being a Jehovah's Witness. Believing in God is not what makes a Witness unique, as a large portion of people believe in God. Trusting in the Bible is not the key factor to being a Witness, as billions of people believe they follow the Bible. It is belonging to the "Organization" that distinguishes a Witness and makes them feel solely worthy of salvation.

The word organization never appears in the Bible, yet organization appears 16,789 times on the 2006 Watchtower Library CD. This is because belonging to an organization is not a Scriptural requirement, but rather a common concept amongst high control groups as a technique of building a member's high degree of conviction and uniformity.

The Watchtower claims that belonging to an organization is essential for salvation.

"To receive everlasting life in the earthly Paradise we must identify that organization and serve God as part of it." Watchtower 1983 Feb 15 p.12

Yet the word "organization" never appears in the Bible, nor is it ever stated in either the Old or New Testaments that membership of an organization is a requirement of salvation.

Since: Dec 12

Swansea, UK

#11 Dec 28, 2012
Aneirin wrote:
<quoted text>
He lied.
I guess that's what you mean by "wrote well".
hi
i dont want to be direspectful.
you think he lied, but i have said that the thread was off topic
i said i tend to agree i did not say i absolutely agree

“JWs PREACH LIES!”

Since: Dec 12

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#12 Dec 28, 2012
People who are attracted to high control religions that pretend to offer the attractive carrot of "paradise earth" which is never found in scripture and an instant friendship to disturbed individuals who are most likely mentally deficient to begin with.

We've all seen these types here who don't even know the basics of English and usage in the language. Not only are these people ignorant, but they are needy and desperate.

Can you even imagine how desperate some of these people are and how their life has been deprived of love and friendship?

While these people are not the sharpest knife in the drawer, they slowly start to realize the love and friendship they have found is extremely conditional.

Add to this the emotional baggage from an abusive past these disturbed people drag around and you have a basic recipe for disaster.

Then you take these desperate individuals with their emotional problems and put them into a emotional pressure cooker. Feed them rules they know are false but they must support or lose all that "love and friendship" they have never had before and barely have now...as long as they believe lies...and follow doctrines they suspect are false, but they really don't want to know because they are not willing to give up the conditional love and conditional friendship they have now. While it's shallow, it's all they have and emotionally they can't stand the thought of losing this desperate, superficial need of theirs.

If they have children, they are expected to hit their child to keep them still at the meetings and to sacrifice their children if the blood issue ever arises.

The beliefs and pressure are completely offensive to human parental skills and no doubt creates severe mental anguish in parents who must mentally construct adjustment mechanisms to validate this irrational behavior. Again, this is necessary or one must consider that all the conditional love and their conditional friends can disappear in an instant.

If you are a child brought up in this religion, you develop a warped sense of right and wrong. You fear the end of the world. Add to this the isolation you've experienced almost daily from people outside the cult and compound upon it the many times children are physically, emotionally, and sexually abused.

Add this all together and you get an explosion.

Imagine you are a person doing your best to follow all of the rules of a high control religion and suddenly you learn this same religion does not even follow they rules you are told to follow...

For instance...Today many witnesses claim that Franz was a Rhodes Scholar and a scholar of Hebrew and Greek. The Rhodes Scholarship Trust (Wesleyan University, Middletown, Conn. 06457) stated that Franz was never considered for a Rhodes Scholarship; similarly a Scottish Court of Sessions of Nov. 1954, pp. 102, 103, in which Franz himself testified, made it clear that Franz could not read, speak nor translate the Hebrew language.

Lies are lies. A religion that teaches lies concerns honest people. Dishonest people simply do not care.

“JWs PREACH LIES!”

Since: Dec 12

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#13 Dec 28, 2012
jehovah’s witnesses claim to use the Bible as their "supreme authority".

Where in the Bible does anyone count their time in preaching on a slip of paper and are assigned record cards of activity, determining this as a "gauge to their spirituality"?

Where in the Bible are Pioneers mentioned?

Where in the Bible are Auxiliary Pioneers mentioned?

Where in the Bible are Bethelites mentioned?

Where in the Bible are Kingdom Halls mentioned?

Where in the Bible does it say that anyone born after 1935 can not go to heaven?

Where in the Bible does it say that men are prohibited from wearing beards?

Where in the Bible does it say that after a prophecy fails, if the prophet admits he made a mistake, he is no longer a false prophet (see Deut 18:20-22)?

Where does the Bible say that a person must belong to an organization that will start in the late 19th century and be headquartered in Brooklyn, NY, in order to survive Armageddon?

It's a cult!!

Since: Dec 12

Swansea, UK

#14 Dec 28, 2012
Aneirin wrote:
<quoted text>
The fact that you can't understand how people can be genuinely modest regardless of their position speaks volumes about you as a person.
Now are you telling us that these two scriptures contradict one another?
*** Php 2:3 doing nothing through rivalry or through conceit, but in humility, each counting others better than himself;
*** Heb 13:17 Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they watch on behalf of your souls, as those who will give account, that they may do this with joy, and not with groaning, for that would be unprofitable for you.
Is that your story that it is impossible to follow BOTH scriptures? Does the Bible ask the impossible of us?
It is your lack of ability to be humble that is blinding you.
YES it IS possible to be humble even when you are in a position of leadership.
Being a leader doesn't make you better than anyone else it just means that you happen to have been tasked with different responsibilities.
thanks

i am not saying there are any contradictions

the 1st scripture is correct some versions say "Better" others "Greater"
your 2nd scripture from HEBREWS is all about Obeying and submitting joyfully to others in authority over YOU.
question
In which sense do those to whom we submitt joyfully show that they "Esteem others GREATER or BETTER than themselves.

Example how could your Boss esteem you greater than himself without humbling himself to do your job on your pay.
Jesus example was to take the form of a human by leaving his honoured heavenly position and esteemed others greater than himself by washing their feet.
how can the Gov Body Esteem others greater or better than themselves using jesus own example

“BIBLE TRUTHS *NEVER* CHANGE”

Since: Aug 09

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#15 Dec 28, 2012
J F Rutherford wrote:
Here's the facts...
The jehovah's witnesses teach that the only true name for God is "jehovah", and that the only way God's name can be sanctified is by calling God by His true name.
This false religion claims that to call God by any other name is to dishonor Him.
Since the jehovah's witnesses put an exclusive emphasis on the name "jehovah", how can they honestly say they are being obedient to Acts 1:8?
Keep in mind the insertion of the name jehovah in the New Testament by jehovah's witnesses goes completely against what is found in the early manuscripts of the New Testament.
Jesus said to the disciples in Acts 1:8 "You will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be MY witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth".
There is only one name by which true followers of God should be identified. We are called to be witnesses of Jesus Christ, not the fake, fabricated name, jehovah!
Those of you who defend Satan's cult, the jehovah's witnesses should consider the truth:
In whose name should we meet together?(Matthew 18:20; 1 Corinthians 5:4)
Demons are subject to whose name?(Luke 10:17; Acts 16:18)
Repentance and forgiveness should be preached in whose name?(Luke 24:47)
In whose name are you to believe and receive the forgiveness of sins (John 1:12; 3:16; Acts 10:43; I John 3:23; 5:13)
By whose name, and NO OTHER, do we obtain salvation (Acts 4:12)
Whose name should be invoked as we bring our petitions to God in prayer?(John 14:13, 14; 15:16; 16:23, 24)
In whose name is the Holy Spirit sent?(John 14:26)
Whose name and authority was invoked by the disciples in healing the sick and lame?(Acts 3:16; 4:7-10, 30)
Whose name did Paul tell us to call upon (1 Corinthians 1:2)?
Whose name is above every name (Ephesians 1:21; Philippians 2:9-11)
The answer to each of these questions is Jesus Christ, not the fake, fabricated jehovah.
Real Christians are called to be witnesses of Jesus Christ.
False Christians witness for the fake, fabricated jehovah.
Thank you for this list of vitally important scriptures....there are a couple that I had forgotten....and I thank you for these reminders~

“Paradise Earth”

Since: Sep 11

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#16 Dec 28, 2012
the fds wrote:
<quoted text>
thanks
i am not saying there are any contradictions
the 1st scripture is correct some versions say "Better" others "Greater"
your 2nd scripture from HEBREWS is all about Obeying and submitting joyfully to others in authority over YOU.
question
In which sense do those to whom we submitt joyfully show that they "Esteem others GREATER or BETTER than themselves.
Example how could your Boss esteem you greater than himself without humbling himself to do your job on your pay.
Jesus example was to take the form of a human by leaving his honoured heavenly position and esteemed others greater than himself by washing their feet.
how can the Gov Body Esteem others greater or better than themselves using jesus own example
The scripture is about how you VIEW yourself.

You seem to be confusing someone's position with how they view themselves.

You should always be of mind that other people might be able to do better than yourself if they were in your shoes.

You should in no way feel better than them just because you have been given different responsibilities.

“JWs PREACH LIES!”

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#18 Dec 28, 2012
God's name is not "Jehovah".

The word "Jehovah" is a word invented and fabricated by a Catholic Monk.

For all the world the information is testable, where the name Jehovah comes from, available on the Internet. On Wikipedia under the search word Jehovah, we find the following information:

The name Jehovah already occurs repeatedly in the 13th Century in the Latin form of Jehovah. The Spanish monk Raymond Mantini, translated about 1270 different parts of the Bible from the Hebrew. In his manuscripts is on the right side the Hebrew text and on the left the Latin with Iehovah.

Cardinal Nikolaus of Kues used the Tetragrammaton vocalized as Jehovah in several of his works, 1428, in his Sermon In Principio Erat Verbum.

Petrus Galatinus published in the year 1518 his work "De Arcnis catholicae veritatis".

As William Tyndale, translated the Pentateuch 1530, he erroneously transferred the Tetragrammaton by using the fabricated word Jehovah.

This information tell us:

The name Jehovah was only formed in the Middle Ages in its current form - well, actually invented!

The creators of the name Jehovah were Catholic monks!
The creation of the name Jehovah was willful!
The name Jehovah is the work of man!

Anyone who worships this name turns to a human invention!

Anyone who says this name would be in the original texts - is lying!

Since: Dec 12

Swansea, UK

#19 Dec 28, 2012
Aneirin wrote:
<quoted text>
The scripture is about how you VIEW yourself.
You seem to be confusing someone's position with how they view themselves.
You should always be of mind that other people might be able to do better than yourself if they were in your shoes.
You should in no way feel better than them just because you have been given different responsibilities.
is doing better than someone else Esteeming them Greater than you.
No its saying "I can do better than them"
i gave you 2 examples of esteeming others better than oneself have i not.
please explain how the FDS cam esteem all others Greater or better than them.
personalise it to yourself. How have they esteemed YOU "Aneirin" better than themselves.

By the way only curious do you have welsh heritage with a name like that ?

Since: Dec 12

Swansea, UK

#20 Dec 28, 2012
J F Rutherford wrote:
God's name is not "Jehovah".
The word "Jehovah" is a word invented and fabricated by a Catholic Monk.
For all the world the information is testable, where the name Jehovah comes from, available on the Internet. On Wikipedia under the search word Jehovah, we find the following information:
The name Jehovah already occurs repeatedly in the 13th Century in the Latin form of Jehovah. The Spanish monk Raymond Mantini, translated about 1270 different parts of the Bible from the Hebrew. In his manuscripts is on the right side the Hebrew text and on the left the Latin with Iehovah.
Cardinal Nikolaus of Kues used the Tetragrammaton vocalized as Jehovah in several of his works, 1428, in his Sermon In Principio Erat Verbum.
Petrus Galatinus published in the year 1518 his work "De Arcnis catholicae veritatis".
As William Tyndale, translated the Pentateuch 1530, he erroneously transferred the Tetragrammaton by using the fabricated word Jehovah.
This information tell us:
The name Jehovah was only formed in the Middle Ages in its current form - well, actually invented!
The creators of the name Jehovah were Catholic monks!
The creation of the name Jehovah was willful!
The name Jehovah is the work of man!
Anyone who worships this name turns to a human invention!
Anyone who says this name would be in the original texts - is lying!
i am not wishing to stop a good conversation but we seem to have 2 conversations going on.
could you politely move the topic to a new post and contiue there thanks
Tao itness

United States

#21 Dec 28, 2012
Aneirin wrote:
<quoted text>
So when you are in charge you think yourself better than everyone else?
That is sooo sad.
You can be in charge and have a humble opinion of yourself. At least you should do because that is what that scripture is all about.
And it is the Apostle Paul that said we should have appointed elders. Are you saying that Apostle Paul made a mistake?
Ask a handful of bethelites if they obey this scripture.

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