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UNchained

Louisville, TN

#1 Feb 10, 2013
How does a person show that they love God?

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#2 Feb 10, 2013
Matthew 22:36-40
:-)
UNchained

Louisville, TN

#3 Feb 11, 2013
Open Minded Bible Student wrote:
Matthew 22:36-40
:-)
Great reply.

BTW, does a person have to be a Jehovha's Witness to love God?

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#4 Feb 11, 2013
I personally don't think so...

Those are the most important commandments..

Anybody can love God and show their faith by their works..

And I'm a JW (considered inactive)

Since: Jul 12

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#6 Feb 11, 2013
SOS wrote:
<quoted text>You need to bulk.
That was me when I weighed 165 pounds...

Half a year ago..

Was working for a tar roofing company 6 days a week... As a grunt... Did 40-60 minutes of cardio before weights.. And than lifted weights for a hour and a half.. No supplements whatsoever...

Right now.. I don't bother with cardio.. I train.. I eat 6 meals a day.. I'm taking supplements..

Now I'm weighing 182 pounds..

It's very hard to bulk when you're 6"3....

Since: Jul 12

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#8 Feb 11, 2013
SOS wrote:
<quoted text>You have more leverage in lifting though.
I guess so...

It's hard to put on weight while burning calories really fast :(

Someday I'd like to be about 240 pounds and stacked :D

Someday...

Preferably without steroids...

Tried creatine... Lets just say it didn't agree with my body....

Since: Sep 11

Brantford, Canada

#11 Feb 11, 2013
Open Minded Bible Student wrote:
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I guess so...
It's hard to put on weight while burning calories really fast :(
Someday I'd like to be about 240 pounds and stacked :D
Someday...
Preferably without steroids...
Tried creatine... Lets just say it didn't agree with my body....
Good for you being in such great shape. Weak creatine can cause the runs, I'm guessing that's how it didn't agree with you. If you get real creatine monohydrate, you should see a massive difference.

“Paradise Earth”

Since: Sep 11

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#12 Feb 11, 2013
UNchained wrote:
How does a person show that they love God?
By obeying him.

*** 1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments.

Jehovah's Witnesses are dedicated to doing their best to obey God:

Listen to God and Live Forever
http://download.jw.org/files/media_books/ll_E...

What Does the Bible Really Teach?
http://download.jw.org/files/media_books/bh_E...

The Greatest Man Who Ever Lived
http://download.jw.org/files/media_books/gt_E...

Since: Jan 13

Marlinton, WV

#13 Feb 11, 2013
Aneirin wrote:
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By obeying him.
*** 1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments.
A, put the scripture aside and tell us of your feelings for your god; do you actually feel anything toward him but fear?
UNchained

Louisville, TN

#14 Feb 12, 2013
How does a person show that they love God?
Aneirin wrote:
<quoted text>
By obeying him.
*** 1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments.
Jehovah's Witnesses are dedicated to doing their best to obey God:
Listen to God and Live Forever
http://download.jw.org/files/media_books/ll_E...
What Does the Bible Really Teach?
http://download.jw.org/files/media_books/bh_E...
The Greatest Man Who Ever Lived
http://download.jw.org/files/media_books/gt_E...
Which commandments?

The more than 600 commandments that God gave to Moses?

“Paradise Earth”

Since: Sep 11

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#15 Feb 12, 2013
UNchained wrote:
How does a person show that they love God?
<quoted text>
Which commandments?
The more than 600 commandments that God gave to Moses?
If you read the Bible then you would know that the Mosaic Law is no longer in force.

Read the Bible and you will learn what God requires of us.

*** 2 Tim 3:16 Every Scripture is God-breathed and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for instruction in righteousness,

*** 2 Tim 3:17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

How You Can Find Out What God Requires?
http://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/requi...
little lamb

Maribyrnong, Australia

#16 Feb 12, 2013
Aneirin wrote:
<quoted text>
By obeying him.
*** 1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments.
I agree with this..
UNchained

Louisville, TN

#17 Feb 12, 2013
Aneirin wrote:
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If you read the Bible then you would know that the Mosaic Law is no longer in force.
Read the Bible and you will learn what God requires of us.
*** 2 Tim 3:16 Every Scripture is God-breathed and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for instruction in righteousness,
*** 2 Tim 3:17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.
How You Can Find Out What God Requires?
http://www.jw.org/en/publications/books/requi...
Does God require that being part of the Watchtower Society's and the Jehovah's Witnesses particular organization is an essential requirement of salvation?

“Paradise Earth”

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#18 Feb 12, 2013
UNchained wrote:
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Does God require that being part of the Watchtower Society's and the Jehovah's Witnesses particular organization is an essential requirement of salvation?
Jehovah's Witnesses are not part of the Watchtower.

And Jehovah's Witnesses don't have an organization - Jesus Christ does.

Its called the Christian congregation.

The Bible clearly shows that we need to be part of the Christian congregation.
little lamb

Mentone, Australia

#19 Feb 12, 2013
Gods word states " NOW you are Christs body and members individually"

so its not a matter of needing to be part of Christs body..because we already are his BODY..He says so in THE WORD.

NOW YOU ARE...
Pat

Rockford, IL

#20 Feb 12, 2013
THE WATCHTOWER CONTROLS THE JW
http://www.bible.ca/Jw-internet.htm
1936 "... there is but one place of safety, and that is to be in and to abide in the organization of Jehovah God." (Riches; 1936; p. 101)
1938 The Lord Jesus Christ as the head of Jehovah's organization Zion has a visible part of his organization on the earth, which represents the Lord and acts under the direct supervision of the Lord Jesus Christ... "The Society" acts by through its duty constituted servants; recognizing the great fact that God hath set the members in the body as it pleaseth him(1Cor.12:18), which he does by and through his Chief Officer, Christ Jesus. It must be conceded by all who love the Lord that the Lord has perfected and directs his own organization.(Watchtower, June 1, 1938 p. 169-170)
1938 "So Jehovah's visible organization under Christ is a channel for bringing the divine interpretation of his word to his devoted people." (Watchtower, June 1, 1938, p. 169)
1939 We acknowledge as the visible organization of Jehovah on earth the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society, and recognize the Society as the Channel or instrument through which Jehovah and Christ Jesus give instruction and meat in due season to the household of faith.(Watchtower, April 15, 1939 p. 125)
1954 "They are passed to the Holy Spirit who invisibly communicates with Jehovah's Witnesses and the publicity department" (F. W. Franz, Vice-President of the Watchtower Society, Scottish Daily Express, Nov. 24, 1954)
1967 "Make haste to identify the visible theocratic organization of God that represents his king, Jesus Christ. It is essential for life. Doing so, be complete in accepting its every aspect." (Watchtower, October 1, 1967, p. 591)
1967 "We cannot claim to love God, yet deny his word and channel of communication." (Watchtower, October 1, 1967, p. 591)
1972 "That they [Jehovah's Witness] must adhere absolutely to the decisions and scriptural understandings of the Society because God has given it this authority over his people." (Watchtower, May 1, 1972, p. 272)
1973 "Consider too, the fact that Jehovah's organization alone in all the earth is directed by God's holy spirit or active force." (Watchtower, July 1, 1973, page 402)
1973 Only this organization functions for Jehovah's purpose and to his praise. To it alone God's Sacred Word, the Bible, is not a sealed book.(Watchtower; July 1, 1973; p. 402)
1983 To receive everlasting life in the earthly Paradise we must identify that organization and serve God as part of it.(Watchtower; Feb. 15, 1983; p. 12)
1983 "Jesus Christ identified a first requirement when he said in prayer to his Father:'This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you... Many have found the second requirement more difficult. It is to obey God's laws, yes, to conform one's life to the moral requirements set out in the Bible...A third requirement is that we be associated with God's channel, his organization...To receive everlasting life in the earthly Paradise we must identify that organization and serve God as part of it...The fourth requirement is connected with loyalty. God requires that prospective subjects of his kingdom support his government by loyally advocating his kingdom rule to others..." (four requirements for salvation as taught by the Watchtower magazine of Feb. 15, 1983, p. 12. One of them deals with the Watchtower organization.

Since: Jan 13

Marlinton, WV

#21 Feb 12, 2013
Aneirin wrote:
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Jehovah's Witnesses are not part of the Watchtower.
And Jehovah's Witnesses don't have an organization - Jesus Christ does.
Its called the Christian congregation.
The Bible clearly shows that we need to be part of the Christian congregation.
Aneirin, Are you avoiding my question? Do you have any emotional connection with God apart from fear? This may be a poor way to let this question hit home, but if God were a human acquaintance and you heard he was sick would you be concerned; would you take him chicken soup? If you heard he died would you even shed a tear or would you be relieved that he couldn't beat you anymore? Be honest.
Pat

Rockford, IL

#22 Feb 12, 2013
1983 "Avoid independent thinking...questioning the counsel that is provided by God's visible organization." (Watchtower, Jan. 15, 1983 pg. 22)
1983 "Fight against independent thinking." (Watchtower, Jan. 15, 1983 pg. 27 )
1990 We have the opportunity to show love for our brothers who take the lead in the congregation or in connection with Jehovah's visible organization worldwide. This includes being loyal to "the faithful and discreet slave." (Matthew 24:45-47) Let us face the fact that no matter how much Bible reading we have done, we would never have learned the truth on our own.(The Watchtower; 12/1/1990; pp. 19)
In other words, just blindly accept what ever the Watchtower reaches.

“Paradise Earth”

Since: Sep 11

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#23 Feb 12, 2013
Pat wrote:
THE WATCHTOWER CONTROLS THE JW
That is COMPLETELY untrue.
Pat wrote:
http://www.bible.ca/Jw-internet.htm
1936 "... there is but one place of safety, and that is to be in and to abide in the organization of Jehovah God." (Riches; 1936; p. 101)
1938 The Lord Jesus Christ as the head of Jehovah's organization Zion has a visible part of his organization on the earth, which represents the Lord and acts under the direct supervision of the Lord Jesus Christ... "The Society" acts by through its duty constituted servants; recognizing the great fact that God hath set the members in the body as it pleaseth him(1Cor.12:18), which he does by and through his Chief Officer, Christ Jesus. It must be conceded by all who love the Lord that the Lord has perfected and directs his own organization.(Watchtower, June 1, 1938 p. 169-170)
1938 "So Jehovah's visible organization under Christ is a channel for bringing the divine interpretation of his word to his devoted people." (Watchtower, June 1, 1938, p. 169)
1939 We acknowledge as the visible organization of Jehovah on earth the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society, and recognize the Society as the Channel or instrument through which Jehovah and Christ Jesus give instruction and meat in due season to the household of faith.(Watchtower, April 15, 1939 p. 125)
1954 "They are passed to the Holy Spirit who invisibly communicates with Jehovah's Witnesses and the publicity department" (F. W. Franz, Vice-President of the Watchtower Society, Scottish Daily Express, Nov. 24, 1954)
1967 "Make haste to identify the visible theocratic organization of God that represents his king, Jesus Christ. It is essential for life. Doing so, be complete in accepting its every aspect." (Watchtower, October 1, 1967, p. 591)
1967 "We cannot claim to love God, yet deny his word and channel of communication." (Watchtower, October 1, 1967, p. 591)
1972 "That they [Jehovah's Witness] must adhere absolutely to the decisions and scriptural understandings of the Society because God has given it this authority over his people." (Watchtower, May 1, 1972, p. 272)
1973 "Consider too, the fact that Jehovah's organization alone in all the earth is directed by God's holy spirit or active force." (Watchtower, July 1, 1973, page 402)
1973 Only this organization functions for Jehovah's purpose and to his praise. To it alone God's Sacred Word, the Bible, is not a sealed book.(Watchtower; July 1, 1973; p. 402)
1983 To receive everlasting life in the earthly Paradise we must identify that organization and serve God as part of it.(Watchtower; Feb. 15, 1983; p. 12)
1983 "Jesus Christ identified a first requirement when he said in prayer to his Father:'This means everlasting life, their taking in knowledge of you... Many have found the second requirement more difficult. It is to obey God's laws, yes, to conform one's life to the moral requirements set out in the Bible...A third requirement is that we be associated with God's channel, his organization...To receive everlasting life in the earthly Paradise we must identify that organization and serve God as part of it...The fourth requirement is connected with loyalty. God requires that prospective subjects of his kingdom support his government by loyally advocating his kingdom rule to others..." (four requirements for salvation as taught by the Watchtower magazine of Feb. 15, 1983, p. 12.
NONE of those are talking about the Watchtower Society.
Pat wrote:
One of them deals with the Watchtower organization.
No it does not. When they say "God's Organization" they are NOT talking about the Watchtwer Society. That is a lie that Pat and her friends like to spread.

The "organization" they are talking about is the Christian congregation.

“Paradise Earth”

Since: Sep 11

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#24 Feb 12, 2013
*** w98 9/1 p. 8 Keep Safe as Part of God’s Organization ***

Jehovah’s Organization

3 An organization is “an organized body,” according to the Concise Oxford Dictionary. With that in mind, we understand that because the apostles organized first-century Christians into local congregations under the oversight of a governing body in Jerusalem, it is proper to speak of that “association of brothers” as an organization.(1 Peter 2:17)

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