Former Jehovah's elder on sex assault charge

There are 20 comments on the Feb 18, 2013, Canberra Times story titled Former Jehovah's elder on sex assault charge. In it, Canberra Times reports that:

A FORMER Jehovah's Witness elder who apologised to his alleged victim on Facebook has been charged with two counts of indecent assault.

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Hoodwinked

Winchester, CA

#1 Feb 18, 2013
Happy victims are continuing to speak up .

Since: Mar 09

United States

#2 Feb 18, 2013
Elders can go wrong...I've known a few. They do not represent the whole Organization.
UNchained

Loudon, TN

#3 Feb 18, 2013
The Watchtower Society's legal representative in Australia recently argued in court that the 'Faithful and Discreet Slave' does not exist so the Australian courts couldn't subpoena it.

It appears that Australia is now considering the allegations of sexual molestation in the JW cult as substantial enough that the authorities are beginning to charge suspects.

Watch the Watchtower Society attempt to distance itself from the JW elders who are suspected of pedophilia, especially if they are formally charged by the Australian authorities.
True Christian witness

Collinsville, OK

#4 Feb 18, 2013
Don't believe anything you read about Jehovah's witnesses, get the facts yourself. Many men who were Jehovah's witnesses and proved to be hypocrites are punished for their hypocrisy, and they are arrested and convicted today if they commit a crime. Jesus Christ is the head of this world wide family of true Christians, he is still keeping it clean, all hypocrites will eventually be removed.
Revelation 3:19
UNchained

Loudon, TN

#5 Feb 18, 2013
True Christian witness wrote:
Don't believe anything you read about Jehovah's witnesses, get the facts yourself. Many men who were Jehovah's witnesses and proved to be hypocrites are punished for their hypocrisy, and they are arrested and convicted today if they commit a crime. Jesus Christ is the head of this world wide family of true Christians, he is still keeping it clean, all hypocrites will eventually be removed.
Revelation 3:19
False Christian witness sez:

"Jesus Christ is the head of this world wide family of true Christians, he is still keeping it clean..."

WRONG

Much later, the victim confronted Mr Hill on Facebook. "He turned around and apologised," she said. "He became an elder within the church and rose quite high up. Since he was charged, he has stepped down."

Read more: http://www.canberratimes.com.au/national/form...

"Since he was charged, he has stepped down."

"Since he was charged, he has stepped down."

"Since he was charged, he has stepped down."
TellTheTruth

Homewood, IL

#6 Feb 18, 2013
True Christian witness wrote:
Don't believe anything you read about Jehovah's witnesses, get the facts yourself. Many men who were Jehovah's witnesses and proved to be hypocrites are punished for their hypocrisy, and they are arrested and convicted today if they commit a crime. Jesus Christ is the head of this world wide family of true Christians, he is still keeping it clean, all hypocrites will eventually be removed.
Revelation 3:19
Just leave it in jehovah's hands
Just leave it in jehovah's hands and everything will be allright.

“Mystical Atheism for everyone!”

Since: Nov 08

El Cerrito California

#7 Feb 18, 2013
TellTheTruth wrote:
<quoted text>
Just leave it in jehovah's hands
Just leave it in jehovah's hands and everything will be allright.
Not really. the word "jehovah" is an erroneous hybrid error made in the 13th century by a Roman Catholic monk that means in Hebrew, "god of mischief" :

http://www.catholicapologetics.info/apologeti...
TellTheTruth

Homewood, IL

#8 Feb 18, 2013
Grandpasmurf952 wrote:
<quoted text>
Not really. the word "jehovah" is an erroneous hybrid error made in the 13th century by a Roman Catholic monk that means in Hebrew, "god of mischief" :
http://www.catholicapologetics.info/apologeti...
I know.
jw's receive error better than truth.
TellTheTruth

Homewood, IL

#9 Feb 18, 2013
Nomi wrote:
Elders can go wrong...I've known a few. They do not represent the whole Organization.
If an elder can go wrong then anyone can go wrong.
people just want to believe that they are so special until they mess up and then they start making excuses.

“Mystical Atheism for everyone!”

Since: Nov 08

El Cerrito California

#10 Feb 18, 2013
True Christian witness wrote:
Don't believe anything you read about Jehovah's witnesses, get the facts yourself. Many men who were Jehovah's witnesses and proved to be hypocrites are punished for their hypocrisy, and they are arrested and convicted today if they commit a crime. Jesus Christ is the head of this world wide family of true Christians, he is still keeping it clean, all hypocrites will eventually be removed.
Revelation 3:19
You mean like Leo Greenlees?

And his punishment of being banished to a small congregation without being disfellowshiped is really a punishment?

Leo can't be punished. He's dead. But his victim still has his entire life ahead of him, and the memory of being violated by one of the highest placed pedophiles in the entire organization that he has to live with.

It seems his victim was the one punished by the Watchtower for the crimes committed by Leo Greenlees who was a member of the governing body. Certain nameless officials did not let the poor boy into Bethel because he might inadvertently reveal to much about the molestation.

So how many hypocrites do you think it is that need punishment in this particular situation?
Susie B

Richland, WA

#11 Feb 18, 2013
Nomi wrote:
Elders can go wrong...I've known a few. They do not represent the whole Organization.
Honestly Nomi I don't understand the bond of unity JW's have with their phony leadership...lies, deceptions and cover ups are 100% acceptable unless the GB state otherwise. And why would they state otherwise bringing themselves into a bad "light" with their faithful followers?
And I would like to know how ANYTHING bad can happen to anyone inside the religon when your leadership has written this:

"Christendom’s defenses are of no value, but Jehovah’s witnesses have a “STRONG CITY”, and this is something to sing about. There are millions who want a safe place and are in need of SECURITY. Let them know we have a “STRONG CITY”!“Thou shalt call thy walls Salvation, and thy gates Praise.”(Isa. 60:18, AS) Only God’s kingdom offers such protection and salvation, for INSIDE THE CITY ONE IS THEN SAFE. THOSE DESIRING SALVATION MUST MAKE FOR GODS ORGANIZATION, and FIND ENTRANCE INTO IT AND REMAIN THERE PERMANENTLY. IT IS A REAL CITY OF REFUGE. The multitudes must come in through the gates; so sing loudly, clearly and harmoniously that all may know there is a STRONG CITY OFFERING SALVATION, and it is our city. It is Jehovah’s!"
[WT 10/01/52]

Gates = ORGANIZATION. A satanic falsehood.
Jesus is the ONLY way into the real CITY.

Too many bad things in your religion for them to be in OWNERSHIP of the TRUE CITY...again, putting the cart before the horse!

And "YES" they are appointed to represent the whole organization!

Sorry Nomi but they are dragging you down with their lies and false doctrine!

Since: Mar 09

United States

#12 Feb 18, 2013
Nope Susie...I know the Bible. I go by it. Just happens that they do too. SO I choose to walk with them. As far as Elders, I have high regard for them. They are imperfect, and some do go wrong. BUT the majority do not. They have a huge responsiblity, and must answer to Jehovah GOD and Christ for how they handle their position. I have no desire to say anything against them. Even if I disagree with one on something(and I havce), does not mean I don't respect their position, because I do.

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Since: Dec 07

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#13 Feb 18, 2013
Nomi wrote:
Nope Susie...I know the Bible. I go by it. Just happens that they do too. SO I choose to walk with them. As far as Elders, I have high regard for them. They are imperfect, and some do go wrong. BUT the majority do not. They have a huge responsiblity, and must answer to Jehovah GOD and Christ for how they handle their position. I have no desire to say anything against them. Even if I disagree with one on something(and I havce), does not mean I don't respect their position, because I do.
ihv actually nomiyou know the wt teachings of the bible.. YOU DONT KNOW THE BIBLE ...

i have to wonder why you abondoned the subject of the resurrection with me? anyhow heres that info again..

“we might best answer that question by means of an illustration, that of a phonograph recording. The factors are combining to make the life pattern are like the sounds recorded ona blank phonograph record that stands for the brain, primarily. At the same time God is having a master disc made of the same life pattern on his marvelous memory. At death the phonograph record is broken as it were, and what was recorded thereon would be forever lost where it not for the duplicate recording made by God.. In the resurrection God makes a blank record, a human body, and then stamps on its brain the life pattern he has recorded. Upon giving life to that body the result is an individual that will recoginize himself,and be recognized by the others as having previously existed..

That is word for word what was taught in the 9/22/55 Awake pn p 7 for those who care to check it out.. I copied this from the hard copy since the cd doesn’t have awakes before 1970

A COPY OF YOU is NOT YOU..
will

Since: Mar 09

United States

#14 Feb 18, 2013
Wrong Will. I have studied the Bible for years. I know what it says and what it means.

we might best answer that question by means of an illustration, that of a phonograph recording. The factors are combining to make the life pattern are like the sounds recorded ona blank phonograph record that stands for the brain, primarily. At the same time God is having a master disc made of the same life pattern on his marvelous memory. At death the phonograph record is broken as it were, and what was recorded thereon would be forever lost where it not for the duplicate recording made by God.. In the resurrection God makes a blank record, a human body, and then stamps on its brain the life pattern he has recorded. Upon giving life to that body the result is an individual that will recoginize himself,and be recognized by the others as having previously existed..

I agree with every word.

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#15 Feb 18, 2013
Hoodwinked wrote:
Happy victims are continuing to speak up .
When they come out older this is what the WTBTS has failed to understand, there must be many more out there. Sadly those that have been abused and are still JW wont, its those that have left that do only to becalled liars and disgruntled apostates, mentally disturbed, or JW haters, this is typical as the church of Scientology uses the exact same attack on any that speak out against them.

Lets hope for the sake of those that have had to live with this their whole lives come forward for validation. The JW on here and their advocates fail to understand or don't care to that these crimes go far beyond the abuse itself its a life long battle and with pain and torment.

Especially they never try to consider that many of these victims lose their faith in God and hope they have not only been raped of their innoncence but their spirituality, stumbled and pushed aside like refuse from the very ones they trusted to help them.

All I can say is God help those who have allowed these things to happen and have tried their best to cover them up at the expence of the innocent children.
BUDGIE

UK

#16 Feb 19, 2013
Nomi wrote:
Wrong Will. I have studied the Bible for years. I know what it says and what it means.
we might best answer that question by means of an illustration, that of a phonograph recording. The factors are combining to make the life pattern are like the sounds recorded ona blank phonograph record that stands for the brain, primarily. At the same time God is having a master disc made of the same life pattern on his marvelous memory. At death the phonograph record is broken as it were, and what was recorded thereon would be forever lost where it not for the duplicate recording made by God.. In the resurrection God makes a blank record, a human body, and then stamps on its brain the life pattern he has recorded. Upon giving life to that body the result is an individual that will recoginize himself,and be recognized by the others as having previously existed..
I agree with every word.
That is not Resurrection , it is Re-creation,, what you believe is that it will be a COPY of you , but NOT you.. totaly anti scripture...I hope that you are well and that your health improves. Peace.

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#17 Feb 19, 2013
Hoodwinked wrote:
Happy victims are continuing to speak up .
this is also very interesting as the JW will scream he is not a JW, but point being when he abused he WAS!

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/sc...
hMMMM

Aurora, IL

#18 Feb 19, 2013
Nomi wrote:
Elders can go wrong...I've known a few. They do not represent the whole Organization.
I am sure you have.
Then how about having some courage and speaking up against the lie that they are "appointed by jehovah" and pretending that is God.
Elders are often slimy and criminals who have very low self esteem and no education

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Since: Dec 07

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#20 Feb 19, 2013
Nomi wrote:
Wrong Will. I have studied the Bible for years. I know what it says and what it means.
ihv then why are you still following the teachings of false prophets?
will
we might best answer that question by means of an illustration, that of a phonograph recording. The factors are combining to make the life pattern are like the sounds recorded ona blank phonograph record that stands for the brain, primarily. At the same time God is having a master disc made of the same life pattern on his marvelous memory. At death the phonograph record is broken as it were, and what was recorded thereon would be forever lost where it not for the duplicate recording made by God.. In the resurrection God makes a blank record, a human body, and then stamps on its brain the life pattern he has recorded. Upon giving life to that body the result is an individual that will recoginize himself,and be recognized by the others as having previously existed..
I agree with every word.
INV.. so you realize that YOU WILL NEVER LIVE AGAIN.. and that at best god will make a copy of you? if so why waste your time since you, YOURSELF will be forev gone..
will

“email at ihveit@aol.com ”

Since: Dec 07

Location hidden

#21 Feb 19, 2013
Nomi wrote:
Nope Susie...I know the Bible. I go by it. Just happens that they do too. SO I choose to walk with them. As far as Elders, I have high regard for them. They are imperfect, and some do go wrong. BUT the majority do not. They have a huge responsiblity, and must answer to Jehovah GOD and Christ for how they handle their position. I have no desire to say anything against them. Even if I disagree with one on something(and I havce), does not mean I don't respect their position, because I do.
ihv then why dont you use the same criteria on other religions.. a priest screws up and molests a child and the wt climbs on it with zealto condemn the whole religion .. but a jw does the same thing and its HIS FAULT and the org is protected
will

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