Why all the Hate for JW's? - I'll ven...

Why all the Hate for JW's? - I'll venture to tell you why....

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S-N-A-F-U

Sierra Vista, AZ

#1 Jan 15, 2013
As an observer, rather than a JW -- and knowing this venue is not 'for' JW's, but to rail against them. Also knowing that Satan is the god of this world,(2 Cor. 4:4) and knowing that there are over 28,000 christian (small c) denominations and sects in the world, whereas Jesus established one church, one faith and one denomination that doesn't pick its way through scripture, only to satisfy what tickles the ears over those that considers the Bible sacrosanct, especially the NT. and lives according to each and every scripture as humanly possible.

Obviously there is something wrong with this picture. It's also obvious, that Satan isn't worried about the multitude of giant churches in his kingdom, but one little grain of sand of a christian body -- that in it's self would tell even a neophyte, that maybe, just maybe that the JW's are on to something?

In worldly affairs, such as politics, it's the majority that rules. In Godly affairs, it's the minority that will be selected from Satan's kingdom to receive salvation and ever lasting life..

"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it." Mat. 7:13,14 (NIV)

Think about it....

“Gods love ... poured out”

Since: Dec 06

Sacramento

#2 Jan 16, 2013
S-N-A-F-U wrote:
As an observer, rather than a JW -- and knowing this venue is not 'for' JW's, but to rail against them. Also knowing that Satan is the god of this world,(2 Cor. 4:4) and knowing that there are over 28,000 christian (small c) denominations and sects in the world, whereas Jesus established one church, one faith and one denomination that doesn't pick its way through scripture, only to satisfy what tickles the ears over those that considers the Bible sacrosanct, especially the NT. and lives according to each and every scripture as humanly possible.
Obviously there is something wrong with this picture. It's also obvious, that Satan isn't worried about the multitude of giant churches in his kingdom, but one little grain of sand of a christian body -- that in it's self would tell even a neophyte, that maybe, just maybe that the JW's are on to something?
In worldly affairs, such as politics, it's the majority that rules. In Godly affairs, it's the minority that will be selected from Satan's kingdom to receive salvation and ever lasting life..
"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it." Mat. 7:13,14 (NIV)
Think about it....
You claim to not be one of Jehovah's witnesses but defend them vehemently, using their Bible translation and their language. Are we to believe you? or are you just another long time bible study?

Your analogy btw could also be used to support Mormons, etc.

Since: Nov 09

Location hidden

#3 Jan 16, 2013
The use of the scripture "wide is the gate and narrow is the road that leads to life and only a few find it", is JW's favorite one to prove they are true, when it has nothing to do with them at all.

I would say this person is a JW, or a long time study as you said.
man_711

Bothell, WA

#4 Jan 16, 2013
S-N-A-F-U wrote:
As an observer, rather than a JW -- and knowing this venue is not 'for' JW's, but to rail against them. Also knowing that Satan is the god of this world,(2 Cor. 4:4) and knowing that there are over 28,000 christian (small c) denominations and sects in the world, whereas Jesus established one church, one faith and one denomination that doesn't pick its way through scripture, only to satisfy what tickles the ears over those that considers the Bible sacrosanct, especially the NT. and lives according to each and every scripture as humanly possible.
Obviously there is something wrong with this picture. It's also obvious, that Satan isn't worried about the multitude of giant churches in his kingdom, but one little grain of sand of a christian body -- that in it's self would tell even a neophyte, that maybe, just maybe that the JW's are on to something?
In worldly affairs, such as politics, it's the majority that rules. In Godly affairs, it's the minority that will be selected from Satan's kingdom to receive salvation and ever lasting life..
"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it." Mat. 7:13,14 (NIV)
Think about it....
The haters are lead by their father!
BlackOut

Antigo, WI

#5 Jan 16, 2013
No one hates JW"S, however many of us dislike the falsified and dangerous teachings of this sick and twisted CULT of JW"S and many on here who Falsely claim to be of JW"S when they are not, example:Carolyn/EE is Unchistian and a fraud to JW"S as I know many JW"S and was involved with this dangerous cult for many years and NO JW"S acts in such a evil mannor.

You may want to READ postings made by so called JW"S who really are NOT on this forum, they are discusting To God and do NOT have Gods blessings in the least..

Sorry to say, but you are 100% wrong..
man_711

Bothell, WA

#6 Jan 16, 2013
BlackOut wrote:
No one hates JW"S, however many of us dislike the falsified and dangerous teachings of this sick and twisted CULT of JW"S and many on here who Falsely claim to be of JW"S when they are not, example:Carolyn/EE is Unchistian and a fraud to JW"S as I know many JW"S and was involved with this dangerous cult for many years and NO JW"S acts in such a evil mannor.
You may want to READ postings made by so called JW"S who really are NOT on this forum, they are discusting To God and do NOT have Gods blessings in the least..
Sorry to say, but you are 100% wrong..
Things written to me prove my statement 100% true sorry you are dead wrong!
Lol

Santa Rosa, CA

#7 Jan 16, 2013
S-N-A-F-U wrote:
As an observer, rather than a JW -- and knowing this venue is not 'for' JW's, but to rail against them. Also knowing that Satan is the god of this world,(2 Cor. 4:4) and knowing that there are over 28,000 christian (small c) denominations and sects in the world, whereas Jesus established one church, one faith and one denomination that doesn't pick its way through scripture, only to satisfy what tickles the ears over those that considers the Bible sacrosanct, especially the NT. and lives according to each and every scripture as humanly possible.
Obviously there is something wrong with this picture. It's also obvious, that Satan isn't worried about the multitude of giant churches in his kingdom, but one little grain of sand of a christian body -- that in it's self would tell even a neophyte, that maybe, just maybe that the JW's are on to something?
In worldly affairs, such as politics, it's the majority that rules. In Godly affairs, it's the minority that will be selected from Satan's kingdom to receive salvation and ever lasting life..
"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it." Mat. 7:13,14 (NIV)
Think about it....
Have you never visited any of the other religious forums on Topix?

There are people on pretty much every one of them that disagree with the theology, that feel that they were harmed in some way, that talk about the things they find to be wrong with each religion.

There are many forums for religion on Topix alone, maybe you should check them out and see for yourself.

JW's are not special in that they have ex-members who disagree with them, some who are very adamant and outspoken about it.

Some of those even have smaller member counts than JW's. Think about that...
Lol

Santa Rosa, CA

#8 Jan 16, 2013
BlackOut wrote:
No one hates JW"S, however many of us dislike the falsified and dangerous teachings of this sick and twisted CULT of JW"S and many on here who Falsely claim to be of JW"S when they are not, example:Carolyn/EE is Unchistian and a fraud to JW"S as I know many JW"S and was involved with this dangerous cult for many years and NO JW"S acts in such a evil mannor.
You may want to READ postings made by so called JW"S who really are NOT on this forum, they are discusting To God and do NOT have Gods blessings in the least..
Sorry to say, but you are 100% wrong..
I believe that people like EE, CCC, TPMP, and some of the other JW supporters here definitely go out of their way to behave so that others will get angry with them. That way, they can claim that JW's are hated and bask in the "persecution" that supposedly proves them to be the only true religion on earth.

What a joke they are.

Since: Oct 10

Homebush, Australia

#9 Jan 16, 2013
Lol wrote:
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I believe that people like EE, CCC, TPMP, and some of the other JW supporters here definitely go out of their way to behave so that others will get angry with them. That way, they can claim that JW's are hated and bask in the "persecution" that supposedly proves them to be the only true religion on earth.
What a joke they are.
they cause trouble then try and play the victim, to discredit as many as possible, can't defend some of the false teachings so they create diversions.
Jace

Woodbridge, VA

#10 Jan 16, 2013
S-N-A-F-U wrote:
As an observer, rather than a JW -- and knowing this venue is not 'for' JW's, but to rail against them. Also knowing that Satan is the god of this world,(2 Cor. 4:4) and knowing that there are over 28,000 christian (small c) denominations and sects in the world, whereas Jesus established one church, one faith and one denomination that doesn't pick its way through scripture, only to satisfy what tickles the ears over those that considers the Bible sacrosanct, especially the NT. and lives according to each and every scripture as humanly possible.
Obviously there is something wrong with this picture. It's also obvious, that Satan isn't worried about the multitude of giant churches in his kingdom, but one little grain of sand of a christian body -- that in it's self would tell even a neophyte, that maybe, just maybe that the JW's are on to something?
In worldly affairs, such as politics, it's the majority that rules. In Godly affairs, it's the minority that will be selected from Satan's kingdom to receive salvation and ever lasting life..
"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it." Mat. 7:13,14 (NIV)
Think about it....
Nice service talk
Lol

Santa Rosa, CA

#11 Jan 16, 2013
array wrote:
<quoted text>they cause trouble then try and play the victim, to discredit as many as possible, can't defend some of the false teachings so they create diversions.
I agree 100%.

“All the best to you, in life!”

Since: Oct 07

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#12 Jan 17, 2013
S-N-A-F-U wrote:
In Godly affairs, it's the minority that will be selected from Satan's kingdom to receive salvation and ever lasting life.
I agree with you.
S-N-A-F-U wrote:
"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it." Mat. 7:13,14 (NIV)

Think about it....
I have thought about it.

(NWT) John 10:7-9
Therefore Jesus said again: "Most truly I say to you, I am the door of the sheep. All those that have come in place of me are thieves and plunderers; but the sheep have not listened to them. I am the door; whoever enters through me will be saved, and he will go in and out and find pasturage."

Jesus is the narrow gate, not religions. Jesus both commanded and invited people to come to him, directly, repeatedly.

Matthew 11:27-30
“All things have been delivered to me by my Father, and no one fully knows the Son but the Father, neither does anyone fully know the Father but the Son and anyone to whom the Son is willing to reveal him. Come to me, all you who are toiling and loaded down, and I will refresh you. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am mild-tempered and lowly in heart, and you will find refreshment for your souls. For my yoke is kindly and my load is light.”

“Come to me ...”

John 5:39-40
“You are searching the Scriptures, because you think that by means of them you will have everlasting life; and these are the very ones that bear witness about me. And yet you do not want to come to me that you may have life.”

“... come to me ...”

John 4:10
In answer Jesus said to her:“If you had known the free gift of God and who it is that says to you,‘Give me a drink,’ you would have asked him, and he would have given you living water.”

“If you had known ... who it is ... you would have asked him, and he would have given you living water.”

John 4:14
“Whoever drinks from the water that I will give him will never get thirsty at all, but the water that I will give him will become in him a fountain of water bubbling up to impart everlasting life.”

“... I will give him ...”

John 6:35
Jesus said to them:“I am the bread of life. He that comes to me will not get hungry at all, and he that exercises faith in me will never get thirsty at all.”

“He that comes to me ...”

John 6:66-69
Owing to this many of his disciples went off to the things behind and would no longer walk with him. Therefore Jesus said to the twelve:“You do not want to go also, do you?” Simon Peter answered him:“Lord, whom shall we go away to? You have sayings of everlasting life; and we have believed and come to know that you are the Holy One of God.”

“Lord, whom shall we go away to?”

John 7:37-39
Now on the last day, the great day of the festival, Jesus was standing up and he cried out, saying:“If anyone is thirsty, let him come to me and drink. He that puts faith in me, just as the Scripture has said,‘Out from his inmost part streams of living water will flow.’” However, he said this concerning the spirit which those who put faith in him were about to receive; for as yet there was no spirit, because Jesus had not yet been glorified.

“... let him come to me ...”

Jesus IS the narrow gate. Jehovah's Witnesses are not even allowed to approach the gate, directly. They are told they must go some other way.

Think about it.
UNchained

Louisville, TN

#13 Jan 17, 2013
S-N-A-F-U wrote:
As an observer, rather than a JW -- and knowing this venue is not 'for' JW's, but to rail against them. Also knowing that Satan is the god of this world,(2 Cor. 4:4) and knowing that there are over 28,000 christian (small c) denominations and sects in the world, whereas Jesus established one church, one faith and one denomination that doesn't pick its way through scripture, only to satisfy what tickles the ears over those that considers the Bible sacrosanct, especially the NT. and lives according to each and every scripture as humanly possible.
Obviously there is something wrong with this picture. It's also obvious, that Satan isn't worried about the multitude of giant churches in his kingdom, but one little grain of sand of a christian body -- that in it's self would tell even a neophyte, that maybe, just maybe that the JW's are on to something?
In worldly affairs, such as politics, it's the majority that rules. In Godly affairs, it's the minority that will be selected from Satan's kingdom to receive salvation and ever lasting life..
"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it." Mat. 7:13,14 (NIV)
Think about it....
Jace wrote:
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Nice service talk
He sounds just like my first CO.

The only thing he left out was, "A baptist preacher told me that JW's have the truth but he can't tell his sheep because they would all become JW's and he would be out of a job."
man_711

Renton, WA

#14 Jan 17, 2013
Lol wrote:
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I agree 100%.
Seriously?
S-N-A-F-U

Sierra Vista, AZ

#15 Jan 17, 2013
borgfree wrote:
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You claim to not be one of Jehovah's witnesses but defend them vehemently, using their Bible translation and their language. Are we to believe you? or are you just another long time bible study?
Your analogy btw could also be used to support Mormons, etc.
Correct - I'm not a JW, nor have I ever been one -- but I can read the Bible. BTW, the NIV (New International Version) is not the NWT, even though I have one along with many others....

Since: Feb 07

RI

#16 Jan 17, 2013
S-N-A-F-U wrote:
As an observer, rather than a JW -- and knowing this venue is not 'for' JW's, but to rail against them. Also knowing that Satan is the god of this world,(2 Cor. 4:4) and knowing that there are over 28,000 christian (small c) denominations and sects in the world, whereas Jesus established one church, one faith and one denomination that doesn't pick its way through scripture, only to satisfy what tickles the ears over those that considers the Bible sacrosanct, especially the NT. and lives according to each and every scripture as humanly possible.
Obviously there is something wrong with this picture. It's also obvious, that Satan isn't worried about the multitude of giant churches in his kingdom, but one little grain of sand of a christian body -- that in it's self would tell even a neophyte, that maybe, just maybe that the JW's are on to something?
In worldly affairs, such as politics, it's the majority that rules. In Godly affairs, it's the minority that will be selected from Satan's kingdom to receive salvation and ever lasting life..
"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it." Mat. 7:13,14 (NIV)
Think about it....
Going by your criteria, the Westboro Baptist Church is in an even better position than the JWs.

They, like JWs, claim to follow the Bible exclusively and stridently.

They are railed against constantly by the majority of sane people.

They are few in number (thankfully)...even fewer in number than the JWs.

Do you also think that the Westboro Baptist Church is on to something? Or is it that you are a JW and you are merely posing as an "observer" in order to make it seem that people everywhere realize that JWs are the only true Christians on the face of the earth while refusing to join them?

S-N-A-F-U

Sierra Vista, AZ

#17 Jan 17, 2013
Catholic/Protestant Mysticism. Hard to digest for those in Apostate churches....

Those that teach the doctrine of the trinity (or 2 in 1). They claim that the Father is God, the Son is God and Holy Spirit is also God. Regardless whether it be the Trinity or 'Dualism'-- both are errant concepts that challenges God's Sovereignty.

Could this be the reason they label it a MYSTERY?

Luke 1:36 says: Mary and Elizabeth are cousins and that John is six months older than Jesus. This makes John and Jesus second cousins.

Luke 3:23 says: Jesus was thirty years old when he was baptised by John. Here's where the mystery begins. The Trinity teachers claim that Jesus is God. This immediately makes John Gods second cousin, and makes John six months older than God, and man would have been here 4000 years before God was born. This is ridiculous, but it gets even better, when you read Luke 3: 21,23, John had the unspeakable privilege, of baptising his Creator, who was his second cousin, before his Creator was born.

The trinity teachers say that the Holy Spirit is also God. So now get this....While John is standing there in the water, he sees God come down and sit on TOP of his own head. And this is not all, he gets to look at God. God is now either a bird, sitting on top of what looks like a man (or is it the other way around?) And then....he discovers that this God, bird man is a ventriloquist! While he stands there in disbelief, God tell a deliberate lie to the people that are watching. Obviously, he does not want the people to know that he is really God, so the throws his voice to make it appear like someone in heaven is speaking and saying, "This is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased." This is amazing! No wonder they call it a mystery. <wink>

Continued....


S-N-A-F-U

Sierra Vista, AZ

#18 Jan 17, 2013
Part two continued.....

While your at it, pass this on to your christian cleric, providing they embrace this dogma, and have him explain the following:

Matt. 26:39, RS: "Going a little farther he (Jesus Christ) fell on his face and prayed,'my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as thous wilt."

(NOTE: If the Father and the Son were not distinct individuals, such a prayer would have been meaningless. Jesus would have been praying to himself, and his will would of necessity have been the Father's will.)

“You heard me say,‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I. John 14-28 (NIV)

"what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said,‘I am God’s Son’?" John 10:36 (NIV)

"Hear, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah." Deut.6:4 (ASV)
"Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one." Deut. 6:4 (NIV)

"For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus" (KJB-Cambridge Ed.)

"But of that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone." Mark 13:32 (NASB)
[Note] IF Jesus the Son is God too, why wouldn't he know that day or hour of the culmination of this system.

The temptation of Jesus by Satan....

"Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor; 9 and he said to him, "All these I will give you, if you will fall down and worship me." 10 Jesus said to him, "Away with you, Satan! for it is written, "Worship the Lord your God, and serve only him.' " 11 Then the devil left him, and suddenly angels came and waited on him." Matt. 4:8-11 (RSV)
[NOTE] IF Jesus were God, the Creator of all things, including the upstart, Satan the Devil -- he's telling God he will give him all the kingdoms of the world (that God created), if he would prostrate himself and due an act of worship -- Can you spell ABSURD,???

The Death of Christ....

"At the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Elo'i, Elo'i, la'ma sabach-tha'ni? which is being interpreted, My God, my God why hast thou forsaken me?" Mark 15:34,AV

"It is indeed unfortunate with so many having their brains in "P" and common sense being evicted from the premises." D.C Longbow
Lol

United States

#19 Jan 17, 2013
man_711 wrote:
<quoted text>Seriously?
Yes.
S-N-A-F-U

Sierra Vista, AZ

#20 Jan 17, 2013
The Westboro Baptist Church is one of pic "n" choose 'apostate' churches that make a mockery of God's written word every time they open their doors...

Jesus' flock was small too, and most refused to join him as well -

As stated poreviously, "In worldly affairs, such as politics, it's the majority that rules. In Godly affairs, it's the minority that will be selected from Satan's kingdom to receive salvation and ever lasting life..

"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it." Mat. 7:13,14 (NIV)

Bon Voyage.....

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