Great Crowd Should NOT Partake

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More dodging diverting deflecting and dancing.
From what?

The interpretation du jour from the faithless and indiscreet Governor class?

Your BELIEFS are dependent on their OPINION, not on the Bible.

That INCLUDES your teaching regarding both the IDENTITY and HOPE of the great crowd.

Paul never taught the hope your religion teaches now.

Not even one first century Christian ever taught anyone as good news the hope your religion teaches as good news to EVERYONE.

Your good news is NEW good news, another, very different, good news.—Galatians 1:6-9

Your good news doesn't come from the Bible.

Your good news has been the result of men interpreting the Bible to mean whatever they wanted it to mean, and reinterpreting it to mean something different (not BETTER, just DIFFERENT) whenever they want to.

There is no TEACHING in the BIBLE that says there is any other hope than the one TAUGHT in the Bible for first century Christians.

There is only a cobbled together web of fanciful interpretations called "The Truth" that changes whenever the faithless and indiscreet Governor class decides it needs to change.

God has nothing to do with it.

Your religion, PROVABLY, is not deserving of ANY confidence. Those who have depended on the teachings of your religion have been led to believe that FALSE THINGS, things stated by your faithless and indiscreet Governor class as FACT, are TRUE.

That includes the TWO VERY DISTINCTLY DIFFERENT HOPES of your religion that directly contradicts the Bible's statement that we have ONE HOPE.

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Great Crowd Live on Earth

"These are the ones that come out of the great tribulation"--7:14.

The GT is on earth so of course coming out of it means being on earth.
Or, it could mean what C.T. Russell though it meant. Or what J.F. Rutherford FIRST thought it meant.

Or something else entirely.

If the great tribulation of Revelation 7:14 is the same as the one Jesus referenced at Matthew 24, Luke 21, and Mark 13, well ...

... then you know that come out of could also mean DELIVERED FROM.

To heaven, even. To PARADISE, even, straight to the very dwelling place of God!—Revelation 2:7; 2 Corinthians 12:1-4
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By comparing chapter 7 of Revelation with chapter 21 of Revelation we can immediately see that the great crowd will live on the earth.
Revelation 21 does not mention the great crowd.

It only mentions those who are still alive on earth after the final battle, after the Thousand Year reign.

Does your religion now teach that the Great Tribulation is at the end of the thousand year reign? If so, I must have missed that faithless and indiscreet update from your Governor class.
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When we compare the great crowd of Revelation 7 with the peoples and mankind of Revelation 21, there can be no doubt that the Great Crowd of Revelation 7 are human earthlings just as mankind/peoples in Revelation 21 are human earthlings.
There actually CAN be doubt, because the great crowd is pictured BY NAME again in Revelation 11:9, and they are worshiping day and night in the 'naos.' Your religion used to teach a false doctrine that they KNEW was false about what the 'naos' meant in the temple to the Jewish mind.

I took that particular lie you just told on back in 2010 in this thread:

http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-...
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Revelation 21 does not mention the great crowd.
It only mentions those who are still alive on earth after the final battle, after the Thousand Year reign.
Does your religion now teach that the Great Tribulation is at the end of the thousand year reign?
Great crowd is still there at the end of the 1000 years with the rest of mankind.
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Thirdwitness wrote:
Little Lamb quoted two scriptures.
Jesus came to gather all things together...the things in the heaven and the things on the earth ..to bring us all to the oneness with him and the Father.
Now is the day of salvation, now is the day to be saved.
I agree with both. Neither show us that those who will not be kings and priests in heaven are in the new covenant and should partake. And neither refute ny logical biblical presentation.
God has only one deal in operation...it is the new covenant Jesus mediates..

It doesn't matter if you see a great crowd at the end of a thousand years or not

For it is only in the new covenant Jesus mediates does Jehovah promise to write his laws in our hearts and minds and to become our God and we his people ...and give us a new spirit to serve him.

Thumbing your nose up at God and telling him you don't like his deal and if you don't mind you will set one up for yourselves...is a little presumptuous.
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little lamb wrote:
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God has only one deal in operation...it is the new covenant Jesus mediates..
It doesn't matter if you see a great crowd at the end of a thousand years or not
For it is only in the new covenant Jesus mediates does Jehovah promise to write his laws in our hearts and minds and to become our God and we his people ...and give us a new spirit to serve him.
Thumbing your nose up at God and telling him you don't like his deal and if you don't mind you will set one up for yourselves...is a little presumptuous.
You didn't show us that those who are not kings/priests going to heaven are in the new covenant. You just gave your opinion.
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Thirdwitness wrote:
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You didn't show us that those who are not kings/priests going to heaven are in the new covenant. You just gave your opinion.
Hebrews 12 [24] "You have come to Jesus, the one who mediates the new covenant between God and people, and to the sprinkled blood, which speaks of forgiveness instead of crying out for vengeance like the blood of Abel."

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Great crowd is still there at the end of the 1000 years with the rest of mankind.
Nothing in the Bible puts "the great crowd" on earth.

That teaching is nowhere in the Bible.

Your religion interprets the Bible that way, but the Bible does not contain that teaching.

Since the Bible does not contain that teaching, we have to ask: How likely is it that Jehovah's Witnesses got that interpretation correct?

In order to determine THAT, we have to examine how good your religion is at correctly interpreting the Bible, historically.

After examining that track record it becomes far more likely your religion is WRONG in its interpretation.

Then we can consider that the 'naos' or "the temple sanctuary" in which the great crowd is rendering sacred service could really be located exactly where it seems to be located, in heaven.
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Nothing in the Bible puts "the great crowd" on earth.
That teaching is nowhere in the Bible.
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Now just look at this solid biblical evidence Auldsoul presents refuting what I wrote above.

Auldsoul must be right because while all his beliefs are not infallible, all his doctrines are infallible. Lol.

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Thirdwitness wrote:
Now just look at this solid biblical evidence Auldsoul presents refuting what I wrote above.
What I can present is the ABSENCE, in the book of Revelation, any Scripture placing the "great crowd" on earth.

You cannot place the "great crowd" on earth, Scripturally, unless you provide a SCRIPTURE that places the "great crowd" on earth.

You try to string together two different accounts in Revelation through interpretation, then claim that the RESULT of your imagination is Scriptural.

Your imagination is not Scripture.

The Governing Body's CURRENT opinion is not Scripture.

The PREVIOUS teaching of your religion about the location of the great crowd WAS Scriptural. THAT teaching matched mine, in fact.

If both teachings were Scriptural, there would obviously be a problem. Fortunately, your religion only has interpretations from men to combat what the Bible STATES.

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You cannot place the "great crowd" on earth, Scripturally, unless you provide a SCRIPTURE that places the "great crowd" on earth.
*** Rev 7:14 ... He said to me, "These are the ones who came out of the great tribulation....

The Great Crowd come out of the Great Tribulation. The Great Tribulation is on earth.

*** Mat 24:21,22 for then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, nor ever will be. Unless those days had been shortened, no flesh would have been saved. But for the sake of the chosen ones, those days will be shortened.

Jesus even says flesh will be saved from the Great Tribulation.

Therefore the Great Crowd are on earth unless you can find a scripture that says they all died and went to heaven.

The only scripture I see is the one that says they all survive. Therefore they gotta be on earth.
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*** Rev 7:14 ... He said to me, "These are the ones who came out of the great tribulation....
The Great Crowd come out of the Great Tribulation. The Great Tribulation is on earth.
*** Mat 24:21,22 for then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, nor ever will be. Unless those days had been shortened, no flesh would have been saved. But for the sake of the chosen ones, those days will be shortened.
Jesus even says flesh will be saved from the Great Tribulation.
Therefore the Great Crowd are on earth unless you can find a scripture that says they all died and went to heaven.
The only scripture I see is the one that says they all survive. Therefore they gotta be on earth.
Logic ain't good enough. That's just your view. My view is different. The Bible is thus relegated to being worthless. This is their view.

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Let's see if we can't pull down those trousers!

Let us compare the tribulations in Revelation and in Matthew.

The Bible only uses the term "Great Tribulation" only once (as far as I am aware)

*** Rev 7:14 So I said to him, "My lord, you know." He said to me, "These are the ones who came out of the great tribulation.

1) It is the only tribulation with the title "The Great Tribulation" (ths qliyews ths megalhs).
2) It REMARKABLY has survivors.

And Jesus talks about a tribulation that is uniquely large throughout all history past and future:

*** Mat 24:21,22 for then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, nor ever will be. Unless those days had been shortened, no flesh would have been saved. But for the sake of the chosen ones, those days will be shortened.

1) It is the uniquely LARGEST tribulation.
2) It REMARKABLY has survivors.

It seems obvious that these scriptures both reference the largest tribulation that the world has or will ever see, the one leading up to Armageddon.

After all will there be a greater tribulation than the one that leads up to Armageddon?

Don't think so. So that shows that Matthew 24:21 is the ARMAGEDDON TRIBULATION.

What about the Revelation one? Well if the Revelation Great Tribulation is not the ARMAGEDDON TRIBULATION than I don't know what is!!

Most rational people will not be able to escape the obvious conclusion that BOTH Matthew 24:21 and Revelation 7:14 are the very same ARMAGEDDON TRIBULATION.

Therefore rational people recognise the Great Crowd of Rev 7:14 to be on earth.
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Thirdwitness wrote:
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Now just look at this solid biblical evidence Auldsoul presents refuting what I wrote above.
Auldsoul must be right because while all his beliefs are not infallible, all his doctrines are infallible. Lol.
Don't forget that Auldsoul believes that the holy spirit teaches different individuals different doctrine because not all can handle the truth. Some have more capacity of understanding than others and auldsoul believes he is ahead of the curve. Which is the excuse he makes for having different beliefs/doctrine unique to him.

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God has only one deal in operation...it is the new covenant Jesus mediates..
That is soooo not true.

There i a MUCH BIGGER deal going on that over-arches the New Covenant.

That would be the Abramic Covenant!

Note: Law Covenant did not replace/invalidate the Abramic Covenant

*** Gal 3:16 Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. He doesn’t say,“To seeds,” as of many, but as of one,“To your seed,”* which is Christ.

*** Gal 3:17 Now I say this. A covenant confirmed beforehand by God in Christ, the law, which came four hundred thirty years after, does not annul, so as to make the promise of no effect.

So the Law Covenant does NOT replace the Abramic Covenant.

But the New Covenant DOES replace the Law Covenant:

*** Heb 9:15 For this reason he is the mediator of a new covenant, since a death has occurred for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first covenant, that those who have been called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.

So if the New Covenant replaces the Law Covenant and the Law Covenant did NOT replace the Abramic Covenant, but exists along side it, the New Covenant ALSO lives along side the Abramic Covenant.

In fact BOTH the Law Covenant and the New Covenant are simply a means to produce the seed of the Abramic Covenant through which the rest of the world will be blessed.

The Great Crowd are thus blessed under the terms of the Abramic Covenant.

The New Covenant is only for selecting the Kingdom Priests to rule from heaven over the earth and to bring all the blessings promised under the auspices of the Abramic Covenant.

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little lamb wrote:
Thumbing your nose up at God and telling him you don't like his deal and if you don't mind you will set one up for yourselves...is a little presumptuous.
Actually Little Lamb is the one turning his nose up at God's deal for the people who will live forever on earth, the Abramic Covenant.

The New Covenant is only for selecting (electing) those who will rule in heaven and who will put the Abramic Covenant promises into effect.

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CONTEXT, Aneirin. Context. As always. They came OUT of the Great Tribulation, which was occurring on earth.

Nothing there says they lived THROUGH the Great Tribulation which was occurring on earth. Let's see what Jesus says about those who will be delivered OUT OF the Great Tribulation.

Matthew 24:29-31

"Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. And then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in lamentation, and they will see the Son of man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he will send forth his angels with a great trumpet sound, and they will gather his chosen ones together from the four winds, from one extremity of the heavens to their other extremity."

(See also Mark 13:24-27)

AFTER the tribulation these "chosen ones" will be gathered. Oh. With, let's see, sign of the Son of Man, Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, power and great glory, a great trumpet, gathering of the chosen ones. Got it.

Luke 21:27-28

"And then they will see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. But as these things start to occur, raise yourselves erect and lift your heads up, because your deliverance is getting near."

Same event, with DELIVERANCE OUT OF IT added in. Got it. This is easy to understand and makes sense.

Here's some GOOD NEWS, for sure, yep!

1 Thessalonians 4:15-17

For this is what we tell you by Jehovah’s word, that we the living who survive to the presence of the Lord shall in no way precede those who have fallen asleep; because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first. Afterward we the living who are surviving will, together with them, be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and thus we shall always be with [the] Lord.

Check that out, Paul TELLS US where these will be delivered TO on that occasion! But we need two witnesses, right?

1 Corinthians 15:51-52

Look! I tell you a sacred secret: We shall not all fall asleep [in death], but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, during the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised up incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

That LAST trumpet sounds an awful lot like the greatest in a series of trumpets. Where does the Bible discuss a series of trumpets that would end up with ONE trumpet that is, simultaneously, 1) the third and final WOE, 2) the last element revealed by the seventh seal, and 3) the last of seven trumpets in a series?

What trumpet discussed in the Bible could be greater than the LAST trumpet in the series of seven that commences with the opening of the seventh seal?
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The Great Crowd come out of the Great Tribulation. The Great Tribulation is on earth.
They came OUT of the Great Tribulation.

They are pictured having come INTO service in the temple sanctuary of God. You have to admit they are PLAINLY pictured rendering sacred service day and night IN THE TEMPLE SANCTAURY (gr.'ho naos').

Where is the temple sanctuary of God located, according to the book of Revelation?

Who has admission to the temple sanctuary in the prefiguration of that spiritual temple? Who could gain access to the 'naos,' Aneirin?

If you study THAT out, diligently, you will know you have been deceived.

I doubt you want to know badly enough to study it out. You would probably rely on the same source for your "studies" that would tell you A.K. Grayson wrote that the Babylonian Empire destroyed Jerusalem in 607 BC.

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For the edification of people who actually want to know the truth about the 'naos' in the temple, that is, the sanctuary, ONLY the priests were permitted to enter it.

Aneirin could quickly discover the truth of that, if he wanted that knowledge.

Any JW with moderate research skills can do so.

Therefore, the great crowd are PRIESTS, rendering sacred service as PRIESTS, in the 'naos.'

The Governing Body KNOWS that is what the 'naos' refers to, and is FULLY aware of the function of the sanctuary, as well as its requirements of priests ONLY. Jews would bring their gift TO THE 'NAOS,' and leave it in the care of a priest AT THE DOOR.

The New World Translation footnote at Revelation 11:19 shows that they KNOW what the 'naos' is, and they choose to deceive at Revelation 7:15, for the sake of DOCTRINE.

FOOTNOTE at REVELATION 11:19

Or,“the divine habitation (dwelling).” Gr., ho na·os&#8242;; J17,18,22(Heb.), heh·khal&#8242;,“palace (temple) of.”

FOOTNOTE at REVELATION 7:15

Or,“divine habitation (dwelling).” Gr., na·oi&#8242;, dative, sing.; Lat., tem&#8242;plo; J17,18,22(Heb.), beheh·kha·loh&#8242;,“in his palace (temple).”

(See Thayer's: http://biblesuite.com/thayers/3485.htm )

(See also Strong's: http://biblesuite.com/strongs/greek/3485.htm )

ONLY the priests were permitted in the 'naos.'

The great crowd are PLAINLY pictured serving as PRIESTS in the 'NAOS' at Revelation 7:15 and the Governing Body KNOWS it.

Aneirin should.

Every JW should.

But they can't see it unless the Governing Body changes their minds for them.

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I asked Aneirin, and I do not think he will answer:

"Where is the temple sanctuary of God located, according to the book of Revelation?"

For the sake of readers, consider:

Revelation 3:12

"'The one that conquers—I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out [from it] anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem which descends out of heaven from my God, and that new name of mine.'"

Think: Earth? or Heaven?

Revelation 11:15-19 (at the blowing of the seventh, last, great trumpet)

And the seventh angel blew his trumpet. And loud voices occurred in heaven, saying: "The kingdom of the world did become the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ, and he will rule as king forever and ever."

And the twenty-four elders who were seated before God upon their thrones fell upon their faces and worshiped God, saying: "We thank you, Lord God, the Almighty, the One who is and who was, because you have taken your great power and begun ruling as king. But the nations became wrathful, and your own wrath came, and the appointed time for the dead to be judged, and to give [their] reward to your slaves the prophets and to the holy ones and to those fearing your name, the small and the great, and to bring to ruin those ruining the earth."

And the temple of God that is in heaven was opened, and the ark of his covenant was seen in his temple. And there occurred lightnings and voices and thunders and an earthquake and a great hail.

Think: Well, actually, this time the text SPECIFIES PLAINLY that the TEMPLE (the 'naos') is IN HEAVEN. There is no need to do more than READ IT and ACCEPT IT. Or, reject it as some who post here have chosen to do.

The great crowd are IN THE TEMPLE, rendering sacred service DAY AND NIGHT.

That is what ONLY THE PRIESTS DID in the earthly temple.

I also think these two quotes from the entry found in Insight On the Scriptures Volume 2: Temple are very telling ...

"A divine habitation, sacred place or sanctuary, either physical or spiritual, that is employed for worship. The Hebrew word heh-khal translated 'temple,' also means 'palace.' The Greek hieron and naos are both rendered 'temple' and may refer to the entire temple complex or to its central edifice; naos, meaning 'sanctuary' or 'divine habitation (dwelling),' at times refers specifically to the sacred inner rooms of the temple.—See HOLY PLACE."

... ONLY the priests were allowed in the sanctuary, which included the Holy and the Holy of Holies (or the Most Holy)...

"Those who make up New Jerusalem will render sacred service to God directly under the high priesthood of the Lamb, Jesus Christ. For this reason the Lamb shares with Jehovah in being, in effect, the temple of the New Jerusalem."

... and here, in this second quote, we see "sacred service" emphasized, which is also mentioned at Revelation 7:15. What does the Insight book say about sacred service? Look up the entry for Sacred Service and you will find in second paragraph:

"Similarly, the Greek verb latreuo denotes serving. It is used in regard to serving God (Mt 4:10; Lu 1:74; 2:37; 4:8; Ac 7:7; Ro 1:9; Php 3:3;
2 Ti 1:3; Heb 9:14; 12:28; Re 7:15; 22:3), as was
done at the sanctuary or temple (Heb 8:5; 9:9; 10:2; 13:10)"

True enough.

AS WAS DONE at the 'naos,' indeed.

They know. They lie. They deceive. The great crowd are pictured in heaven, in the heavenly 'naos,' serving as priests. The Governing Body KNOWS it.

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But, I am taunted about the absence of Scripture to show that says a "great crowd" is in heaven, designated by THAT NAME and shown IN HEAVEN. Showing that the great crowd is in the 'naos' and that the 'naos' is only for priests would not be enough, you see, for Jehovah's Witnesses to be willing to admit their Governing Body is wrong. And so ...

Revelation 19:1

After these things I heard what was as a loud voice of a great crowd in heaven. They said: "Praise Jah, people! The salvation and the glory and the power belong to our God, because his judgments are true and righteous. For he has executed judgment upon the great harlot who corrupted the earth with her fornication, and he has avenged the blood of his slaves at her hand." And right away for the second time they said: "Praise Jah, you people! And the smoke from her goes on ascending forever and ever."

Revelation 19:6

And I heard what was as a voice of a great crowd and as a sound of many waters and as a sound of heavy thunders. They said: "Praise Jah, you people, because Jehovah our God, the Almighty, has begun to rule as king."

... as requested.

Revelation 7:9-15 shows A GREAT CROWD.

Revelation 19:1-6 places A GREAT CROWD in heaven, which makes sense since that is also where REVELATION places the 'naos' in which the GREAT CROWD serve their priestly duties.

The Governing Body has lied.

The religion has lied for decades to the people who trusted them.

These who post here are not to be despised unless they stubbornly refuse the word of God as SUPERIOR to the words of charlatan pretenders who falsely claim to represent God.
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Thirdwitness wrote:
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Gotta love those straw men.
Auldsoul knows that we believe Jesus will arrive to execute judgment at the GT.
You guys are so funny!
So you're saying Jesus comes more than 1 time in His SECOND COMING??? Lol, well actually he comes several times according your evil and vile leaders and their phony predictions.

What was the first year that Jesus came a second time?
What was the next year that He came again in His second coming?
What year was the 3rd time He came in His second coming?
What year was the fourth second coming?
Have we arrived at 1914 yet? How about 1918? Their teachings are so confusing.

"While Paul was looking forward to Christ’s coming for judgment at the spiritual temple in 1918, he had as an example that sudden appearance of Christ at Jehovah’s literal temple in Jerusalem Nisan 10, A.D. 33."
[WT 6/15/54]

So PAUL was looking forward to Jesus second coming in **1918**??? And the scriptures back that up do they?

(1 Corinthians 7:29-31) "Moreover, this I say, brothers, the time left is reduced. Henceforth let those who have wives be as though they had none, 30 and also those who weep be as those who do not weep, and those who rejoice as those who do not rejoice, and those who buy as those not possessing, 31 and those making use of the world as those not using it to the full; for the scene of this world is changing."

(1 Thessalonians 4:16-17) "because the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first. 17 Afterward we the living who are surviving will, together with them, be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and thus we shall always be with [the] Lord."

The disciples believed He was coming back very soon, not in 1918, because He said:

(Matthew 16:28) "Truly I say to YOU that there are some of those standing here that will not taste death at all until first they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.”

(Luke 21:32) "Truly I say to you, This generation will by no means pass away until all things occur."

(John 21:22) "Jesus said to him:“If it is my will for him to remain until I come, of what concern is that to you? You continue following me.”

Now TW, what year is He again going to make his next second coming?

(1 Corinthians 4:5) "Hence DO NOT JUDGE ANYTHING BEFORE THE DUE TIME, UNTIL THE LORD COMES, who will both bring the secret things of darkness to light and make the counsels of the hearts manifest, and then each one will have his praise come to him from God."

Hmmm...seems your lot has gone ahead of the teaching!

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