Great Crowd Should NOT Partake

“All the best to you, in life!”

Since: Oct 07

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#423 Sep 16, 2013
Thirdwitness wrote:
It says "children are more numerous" because the slave woman has no children that are heirs.
So, would you say that one would be more numerous?

How about 2.6 million?

What about 1.2 billion?

All of these numbers would be more numerous than NONE, correct?

If so, then all you have left to do is show, Scripturally, why we must conclude that the 144,000 symbolic chosen ones from the symbolic tribes of symbolic Israel is the literal number of the free woman's children who are heirs.

In my opinion, all I have to do is wait for your faithless and indiscreet Governor class to prove that they ONCE AGAIN ran ahead of God. They will eventually prove that they did so by changing their opinion (yet AGAIN!) about whether the number "144,000" is literal or figurative. I have no doubt you will see their action differently, but that is because you are a cultist.

They WILL eventually have to shift that teaching, reverting to the one they taught about it back in the early 1900's. They will have, as usual, some flimsy excuse for why they taught something different for decades, or no excuse at all. Bobble-heads don't need their excuses; bobble-heads are delighted by any change in doctrine as evidence that the end is getting nearer and as evidence that God loves Jehovah's Witnesses.
little lamb

South Yarra, Australia

#424 Sep 16, 2013
Tao itness wrote:
little lamb have you ever considered that the hundred and forty four thousand Jews are symbolic representation of the great crowd out of all nations? notice that John on me here's the number then he turns to see this great crowd out of all nations. 144000 is a multiple of 12, 12 has always been the nucleus of gods new arrangements, 12 tribes 12 apostles. this is 12 times 12 times a thousand, and being out of the tribes of Israel shows they are gods nation. also later in Revelation it is mentioned that the hundred and forty four thousand are priests. the great crowd wear white robes and serve in the temple day and night something on me the priesthood occupied. also the market being given in Revelation is a mark of salvation if you compare Ezekiel chapter 9. then it is the great crowd that is singing the song of salvation. after much prayer and meditation I came to this conclusion. then just to double check I made a list in one column describing 144,000 in the other the great crowd. after asking God for insight into revelation verse 3 of chapter 7 popped out at me where he heard the number, then after hearing this number inverse 9 he looked and saw a vast number. the New World Translation wrongly translate a birth 9 after these things, when in reality it is only after this I looked. I think they attempted to put the paradigm in our minds of two groups here when there is really only one. the first is symbolic the second is literal. may the God of truth our Lord in Kings the revealer of Secrets lead us into all truth and understanding!
PS, notice they are both servants and both wear white robes, both are Priestley revelations 715
No I have never considered the 144,000 being anything other them 144,000....

But I noticed they were 12,000 taken out of each tribe of Israel...and that interested me...because if you like , and using my own words I liken it to Jesus ministers in his government arrangement...and there are just so many seats open.......

I believe these are the true governing body.....but he takes them from his spiritual nation of followers..just as he went up into the mountains and prayed before choosing twelve out of those following him...

just because he chose twelve, didn't mean the others were not in the covenant arrangement....so I would agree the great crowd are still Jesus followers and in the new covenant as well...and his whole nation are a nation of Priests and according to Peter that is NOW not later.

So that interested me , who are the tribes...and i suspect Moses prophesy on the twelve original sons, holds a key to the makeup of the full range of prophetic types ......

I notice Jesus when he talks to the seven congregation, has several interesting points to consider...not everyone in the full seven congregations are accepted by Jesus , some individuals are about to be disciplined, others to be spewed out of Jesus mouth and some he tells to hang on to what they have...

So I believe many called but few chosen...

but I do believe that when we are called and baptized into Christ, that we become a true Jew ..It is for now not in the future but we are circumcised by spirit , in the here and now...

I also believe 'now we are Christs BODY and members individually, so that is not future but present...

I also believe the new covenant is an active agreement going to work here and now in the BELIEVER..

So a THRONE and CROWN are future and are goals

But the new covenant is active and is for the present and work of the spirit.
We are under commandment to seek the Kingdom of God..and I believe that has to be sought NOW not later...
Thirdwitness

United States

#425 Sep 16, 2013
Brother P wrote:
<quoted text>
Paul here was making application of the promise given to Abraham by God that "his seed would become as the sand of the seashore".
Thirdwitness will try to wriggle out of this but he can't because he's just spent pages feeling smug in claiming that the REAL seed is NOT the physical children who were "driven away", but those who are under the new covenant.
However according to Thirdwitness the seed only amounts to 144,000 (a small remnant)!
Thirdwitness has just spent 2 pages arguing that EVEN IF the seed of Abraham (as promised by God to "become a nation of kings and priests") only amounts to 144,000 then it's still greater in number to 0 (zero). Thus, Abraham's seed according to Thirdwitness = 144,000.
Not according to God's promise:
(Genesis 22:17) I shall surely bless you and I shall surely multiply your seed like the stars of the heavens and like the grains of sand that are on the seashore.
Sounds like a lot more than 144,000 to me).
" the Philistines, for their part, collected themselves together to fight against Israel, thirty thousand war chariots and six thousand horsemen and people like the GRAINS OF SAND THAT ARE UPON THE SEASHORE for multitude"--1 Samuel 13:5.

Does that sound like more than 144,000 to you?

Instead of putting your own spin on what the Bible says, why not just let the Bible speak for itself.

Since: Oct 10

Homebush, Australia

#426 Sep 16, 2013
Thirdwitness wrote:
<quoted text>
" the Philistines, for their part, collected themselves together to fight against Israel, thirty thousand war chariots and six thousand horsemen and people like the GRAINS OF SAND THAT ARE UPON THE SEASHORE for multitude"--1 Samuel 13:5.
Does that sound like more than 144,000 to you?
Instead of putting your own spin on what the Bible says, why not just let the Bible speak for itself.
the GB of the WT inc put their own spin a lot of scriptures that is why they have to keep changing them.
Thirdwitness

United States

#427 Sep 16, 2013
Thirdwitness wrote:
<quoted text>
" the Philistines, for their part, collected themselves together to fight against Israel, thirty thousand war chariots and six thousand horsemen and people like the GRAINS OF SAND THAT ARE UPON THE SEASHORE for multitude"--1 Samuel 13:5.
Does that sound like more than 144,000 to you?
Instead of putting your own spin on what the Bible says, why not just let the Bible speak for itself.
The sands of the seashore merely denote a large but unknown number. Its not literal and it doesn't have to be billions. It can be thousands as shown in the scripture quoted above.
Thirdwitness

AOL

#428 Sep 16, 2013
Thirdwitness wrote:
<quoted text>
" the Philistines, for their part, collected themselves together to fight against Israel, thirty thousand war chariots and six thousand horsemen and people like the GRAINS OF SAND THAT ARE UPON THE SEASHORE for multitude"--1 Samuel 13:5.
Does that sound like more than 144,000 to you?
Instead of putting your own spin on what the Bible says, why not just let the Bible speak for itself.
"For there are many invited, but few chosen"--Jesus at Matthew 22:14.
Thewanerer

United States

#430 Sep 16, 2013
Thirdwitness wrote:
<quoted text>
"For there are many invited, but few chosen"--Jesus at Matthew 22:14.
Those that include trinitarians and Casper the holy ghost?

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#431 Sep 17, 2013
Thirdwitness wrote:
<quoted text>
The sands of the seashore merely denote a large but unknown number. Its not literal and it doesn't have to be billions. It can be thousands as shown in the scripture quoted above.
That's just a cop out and a lame reply you aren't even convinced about yourself. Not only that but it's a contradiction of your own teachings:

"a large but unknown number"

Yet JWs claim that it became precisely a grand total of 144,000. By your logic the "great crowd" also doesn't need to be over 144,000.

(Hebrews 11:12) And so a whole nation came from this one man (Abraham) who was as good as dead--a nation with so many people that, like the stars in the sky and the sand on the seashore, there is no way to count them.

In the initial fulfilment of this prophecy, did Abraham's physical offspring become as numerous as the sands of the seashore? Bit more than 144,000...

But we know that only a "remnant" had faith:

(Romans 9:27) Isaiah cries out concerning Israel: "Though the number of the Israelites be like the sand by the sea, only the remnant will be saved."

This is backed up by Jesus here:

(Matthew 22:14) Many are invited but few are chosen.

(As per post 428)

WHY exactly is this?

Because they were not born of spirit (John 3:3, 5, 1 Corinthians 15:50, Romans 14:17). They did not have the right "apparel" on. Many claimed to have the right costume on - to know God (physical children of Abraham), but they didn't/don't walk by spirit (the right outfit). Many are invited - Jesus is "knocking at the door", but sadly many will not ALLOW THEMSELVES to be chosen. They won't open the door (put on the right apparel).

----------

Going back to God's promise to Abraham:

Since Israel's religious leaders rejected Jesus and only few (of "God's household") put faith in him, did God's promise to Abraham fail?

No because:

(John 1:12) "...to ALL (Jew, Gentile, Man or Woman) who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become CHILDREN OF GOD."

Compare Romans 8
FutureMan

Greenslopes, Australia

#432 Sep 17, 2013
little lamb wrote:
<quoted text>
No I have never considered the 144,000 being anything other them 144,000....
But I noticed they were 12,000 taken out of each tribe of Israel...and that interested me...because if you like , and using my own words I liken it to Jesus ministers in his government arrangement...and there are just so many seats open.......
I believe these are the true governing body.....but he takes them from his spiritual nation of followers..just as he went up into the mountains and prayed before choosing twelve out of those following him...
just because he chose twelve, didn't mean the others were not in the covenant arrangement....so I would agree the great crowd are still Jesus followers and in the new covenant as well...and his whole nation are a nation of Priests and according to Peter that is NOW not later.
So that interested me , who are the tribes...and i suspect Moses prophesy on the twelve original sons, holds a key to the makeup of the full range of prophetic types ......
I notice Jesus when he talks to the seven congregation, has several interesting points to consider...not everyone in the full seven congregations are accepted by Jesus , some individuals are about to be disciplined, others to be spewed out of Jesus mouth and some he tells to hang on to what they have...
So I believe many called but few chosen...
but I do believe that when we are called and baptized into Christ, that we become a true Jew ..It is for now not in the future but we are circumcised by spirit , in the here and now...
I also believe 'now we are Christs BODY and members individually, so that is not future but present...
I also believe the new covenant is an active agreement going to work here and now in the BELIEVER..
So a THRONE and CROWN are future and are goals
But the new covenant is active and is for the present and work of the spirit.
We are under commandment to seek the Kingdom of God..and I believe that has to be sought NOW not later...
As I understand from the scriptures, there is the "first-fruits' of the harvest and then there is the rest of the wheat-like harvest.
It is my belief that all of Christ's followers are the "Sons of the Kingdom", but the first-fruits of the Kingdom I believe are the 144,000,(whether literal or symbolic) and most likely are destined to be a council (governing body and Priesthood) right here on the earth with a far superior body than us earthlings now, kind of like the body Jesus was resurrected in immediately after he was raised up from the dead.
I guess you could term them inter-dimensional beings at that stage, having the ability to come and go from what the Bible terms as the "Heavenly places".
The symbolic New Jerusalem representing the "Lamb Jesus" bride will be coming down to earth.
Revelation 21
2 And I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of Heaven from God, having been prepared as a bride, having been adorned for her Husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of Heaven, saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God with men! And He will tabernacle with them, and they will be His people, and God Himself will be with them as their God.[LITV]
But ultimately all of Christ followers have the "one hope" to reside in the "Heavenly places" or as I now understand it the "higher dimensional part of universal space" which is a different type of space and matter (perhaps "dark matter" ) than we understand in our own density here on earth and solar system and so on.
This is from my perspective of course.
FutureMan

Greenslopes, Australia

#433 Sep 17, 2013
Just to continue on from my previous post.

I do believe that the "great crowd" have the same hope as the 144,000 selected group, which is as we understand to be the "Heavenly hope" after they finish their earthly course.

In fact I do believe that all of earth's population will have this hope eventually as "Sons of God" as they become part of God's universal Kingdom as approved faith sons of God.

Meanwhile under the new capable administrators and presumably the 144,000, earth will become a peaceful paradise and war will be no more and wickedness will be a thing of the past.
longevity will also come about.

And sometime in the future mankind will be heading out to the stars to finally meet their star brothers who inhabit the other spheres.

Revelation 21
10 And he carried me in spirit on to a great and high mountain, and showed me the great city, holy Jerusalem, coming down out of Heaven from God,

Revelation 22
1 ¶ And he showed me a pure river of water of life, bright as crystal, coming forth out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
2 In the midst of its street and of the river, from here and from there, was a tree of life producing twelve fruits: according to one month each yielding its fruit. And the leaves of the tree were for healing of the nations.

This is my own speculation anyway.

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#434 Sep 17, 2013
Futureman, good to see you back :)
FutureMan

Greenslopes, Australia

#435 Sep 17, 2013
Brother P wrote:
Futureman, good to see you back :)
Yeh, I do pop in every now and then, to see what is happening, topic wise that is.

“All the best to you, in life!”

Since: Oct 07

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#437 Sep 17, 2013
Thirdwitness, for the sake of posterity, your religion teaches the doctrine that literally 144,001 individuals are the only ones among humans (including Jesus) who will receive heavenly life.

Will you go on record as stating that this is one of your religion's core doctrines?

I ask because I know for sure that this doctrine is about to change and that your religion will do what it has always done in such cases, backpedal and claim that core doctrines never were core doctrines.

“God Saves, Watchtower Lies”

Since: Nov 12

Ashland, OH

#438 Sep 17, 2013
Gogs Crowd wrote:
Thirdwitness
Re: Partaking
There is an article dated 9/13/2013 on the website https://anointedjw.org/Defending_Living_Hope....
that says in part:
"We have mentioned a congregation in Reno, Nevada, in a few of our articles. This congregation was spoken of in the article The Other Side of Faith. At the last Memorial Commemoration, 345 brothers and sisters who met together declared their sonship with God by partaking of the emblems. This included practically the entire body of Elders and Ministerial Servants, their Circuit Overseer, and we believe, their District Overseer. The ages of those anointed sons range from 13 to 90 years, most were first time partakers.
This congregation reports more than three times the national average in hours spent the ministry and Bible studies, and well above the national average in meeting attendance. They enjoy fulfilling relationships in the congregation and with those they meet in the ministry. Of the 8 elders, 5 stepped down from their positions of oversight, but they continue to support and upbuild the congregation. Judicial matters are non-existent as each one conducts him or herself in a manner befitting the good news.
One would think this congregation is a model for all congregations of Jehovah’s Witnesses around the world. But not so. Recently, we received an email from a brother in that congregation who reported that the Governing Body dispatched four brothers to reorganize their congregation. He believes they were dispatched because of the Memorial Report indicating that 345 partook. This congregation already had a handful of long time partakers, but this was certainly something new and different. This brother was given less than two days notice of the visit and the brothers who received the notice did not inform the congregation until the day the dispatched brothers arrived."
Have you heard of this? Or, can someone verify that this is true?
The Watchtower Society commands its followers to reject the new covenant.

“All the best to you, in life!”

Since: Oct 07

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#439 Sep 17, 2013
In 2005, in the letter I wrote to disassociate myself, I expressed as one of the five reasons that the Governing Body has been exercising all the authority in the religion for decades while claiming that the anointed remnant were fulfilling that role, in effect blaming the entire anointed remnant for all of the false teachings and Draconian policies of the Governing Body.

That was 8 years ago.

There was CLEARLY no authority exercised (or any mechanism by which authority COULD BE exercised) by the anointed remnant over the Governing Body. In fact, there is no way to know who is and who is not a member of the anointed remnant, even among Governing Body members.

And that is a fact.

The anointed remnant NEVER had any authority in the religion.

My father (a Presiding Overseer of a congregation and an elder for over 40 years at that time) and others (including a Circuit Overseer) had already tried extensively to convince me that there was every reason to have confidence that the faithful and discreet slave (which, at that time, meant the anointed remnant) WERE in fact in charge of God's organization.

There was, as I knew, IN FACT, no reason at all to believe the anointed remnant had ANY authority in the religion whatsoever.

Why did these otherwise intelligent men believe there WAS a reason to feel the anointed remnant had authority in the religion?

The Governing Body said so.

Why do they believe, now, that the anointed remnant have no authority as a collective group in the religion?

The Governing Body said so.

My perceptions were ONLY wrong BECAUSE my perceptions disagreed with the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses.

I was correct.

I was found guilty, anyway.

When Jehovah's Witnesses like Thirdwitness have their minds changed for them by Governing Body decree, their minds LITERALLY change. They begin, very quickly, to forget that they ever felt or spoke as strongly as they did about what they used to teach as truth.

They have already begun to forget that the anointed remnant ARE the faithful and discreet slave in all literature they published from the 1950's through to 2012.

Just as they have all but forgotten that the USSR and the Soviet Bloc of nations is the LAST King of the North, the one who will still be oppressing God's people when Armageddon comes.

Just as they have utterly forgotten that the woman's mysterious name in Revelation "Babylon the Great" refers to the Episcopalian Church, that Armageddon began on schedule in 1914, that the 1,000 year reign of Christ began in 1914, that the parousia began in 1874, that the Last Days began in 1799, and SO MANY OTHER core teachings that they used to teach as truth ...

... but have conveniently forgotten.

Not only that, they pretend that what they used to teach about these things does not matter AT ALL.

What measure should someone reasonably use to assess how much confidence a religion's current doctrines deserves, if not by examination of how much confidence that same religion's previous doctrines deserved?

After all, young ones in 1969 had no time to fulfill a career or pursue higher education. That WAS a fact, until time proved otherwise.

That FACT deserved ZERO confidence.

Far too many of the facts and interpretations from the Governing Body have deserved zero confidence.

FYI: Jehovah doesn't REALLY live on Alcyone in the Pleiades cluster, and never did.
little lamb

South Yarra, Australia

#440 Sep 17, 2013
FutureMan wrote:
<quoted text>
As I understand from the scriptures, there is the "first-fruits' of the harvest and then there is the rest of the wheat-like harvest.
It is my belief that all of Christ's followers are the "Sons of the Kingdom", but the first-fruits of the Kingdom I believe are the 144,000,(whether literal or symbolic) and most likely are destined to be a council (governing body and Priesthood) right here on the earth with a far superior body than us earthlings now, kind of like the body Jesus was resurrected in immediately after he was raised up from the dead.
I guess you could term them inter-dimensional beings at that stage, having the ability to come and go from what the Bible terms as the "Heavenly places".
The symbolic New Jerusalem representing the "Lamb Jesus" bride will be coming down to earth.
Revelation 21
2 And I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of Heaven from God, having been prepared as a bride, having been adorned for her Husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of Heaven, saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God with men! And He will tabernacle with them, and they will be His people, and God Himself will be with them as their God.[LITV]
But ultimately all of Christ followers have the "one hope" to reside in the "Heavenly places" or as I now understand it the "higher dimensional part of universal space" which is a different type of space and matter (perhaps "dark matter" ) than we understand in our own density here on earth and solar system and so on.
This is from my perspective of course.
Interesting ...like yourself I believe that there are first fruits, those who make the first resurrection...

And like yourself I believe , Jesus is about reconciling us all back to the Father, as Adam lost us the sonship...and Jesus is bringing many sons to the Father..

But as scripture says ' each in his own rank'

First fruits

Those who belong to Christ at his presence

And the end when he hands the Kingdom back to the Father.

I believe our responsibility now is seeking to do the will of God....and entering the covenant Jesus mediates, with his blood

because we need the helper the Holy Spirit, because we can not do this alone..and if we must lean on someone let it be our God Jehovah.
little lamb

South Yarra, Australia

#441 Sep 17, 2013
PS..as to what we will be like...I agree, we will be like Christ, as he is the chief agent of life.

Scripture states " It has not been manifest what we shall be, but we shall be like Christ as we shall see him as he is' 1 John 3 [2]

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#442 Sep 18, 2013
AuldSoul1 wrote:
In 2005, in the letter I wrote to disassociate myself, I expressed as one of the five reasons that the Governing Body has been exercising all the authority in the religion for decades while claiming that the anointed remnant were fulfilling that role, in effect blaming the entire anointed remnant for all of the false teachings and Draconian policies of the Governing Body.
That was 8 years ago.
...
The anointed remnant NEVER had any authority in the religion.
My father (a Presiding Overseer of a congregation and an elder for over 40 years at that time) and others (including a Circuit Overseer) had already tried extensively to convince me that there was every reason to have confidence that the faithful and discreet slave (which, at that time, meant the anointed remnant) WERE in fact in charge of God's organization.
There was, as I knew, IN FACT, no reason at all to believe the anointed remnant had ANY authority in the religion whatsoever.
Why did these otherwise intelligent men believe there WAS a reason to feel the anointed remnant had authority in the religion?
The Governing Body said so.
Why do they believe, now, that the anointed remnant have no authority as a collective group in the religion?
The Governing Body said so.
My perceptions were ONLY wrong BECAUSE my perceptions disagreed with the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses.
I was correct.
I was found guilty, anyway.
When Jehovah's Witnesses like Thirdwitness have their minds changed for them by Governing Body decree, their minds LITERALLY change. They begin, very quickly, to forget that they ever felt or spoke as strongly as they did about what they used to teach as truth.
They have already begun to forget that the anointed remnant ARE the faithful and discreet slave in all literature they published from the 1950's through to 2012.
Just as they have all but forgotten that the USSR and the Soviet Bloc of nations is the LAST King of the North, the one who will still be oppressing God's people when Armageddon comes.
Just as they have utterly forgotten that the woman's mysterious name in Revelation "Babylon the Great" refers to the Episcopalian Church, that Armageddon began on schedule in 1914, that the 1,000 year reign of Christ began in 1914, that the parousia began in 1874, that the Last Days began in 1799, and SO MANY OTHER core teachings that they used to teach as truth ...
... but have conveniently forgotten.
Not only that, they pretend that what they used to teach about these things does not matter AT ALL.
What measure should someone reasonably use to assess how much confidence a religion's current doctrines deserves, if not by examination of how much confidence that same religion's previous doctrines deserved?
After all, young ones in 1969 had no time to fulfill a career or pursue higher education. That WAS a fact, until time proved otherwise.
That FACT deserved ZERO confidence.
Far too many of the facts and interpretations from the Governing Body have deserved zero confidence.
FYI: Jehovah doesn't REALLY live on Alcyone in the Pleiades cluster, and never did.
Good post.

I would never take the word of an organisation's interpretation of scripture who on one hand claim to be another "Moses" (with his absolute authority or else die) but on the other hand disclaim to being inspired of God and aren't prophets. Very convenient.

I also wouldn't take seriously an organisations interpretation of Revelations when they can't even be consistent with it. That means that it's not been "unlocked/revealed in the last days" but it's merely men taking a stab in the dark or at best an educated guess (something everybody does...but all the others are in league with Satan when they do it).

You should definitely take their word with a pinch of salt when this group of JW leaders at one point claimed Satan was the king of the abyss, then flopped completely and said the king of the abyss is Jesus! lol
jackie

Southampton, PA

#443 Sep 18, 2013
Thirdwitness wrote:
Thirdwitness wrote:
So when its all said and done tell me, even if the free woman has ONLY 144,000 sons, whose children are more numerous? The free are the enslaved?
<quoted text>
Why are you afraid to answer this simple question. I tell you what I'll do. I'll leave the if out.
When its all said and done tell me, even THOUGH the free woman has ONLY 144,000 sons, whose children are more numerous? The free are the enslaved?
The free are slaves to doing the will of Jehovah God.
little lamb

South Yarra, Australia

#444 Sep 18, 2013
jackie wrote:
<quoted text>
The free are slaves to doing the will of Jehovah God.
Lovely answer Jackie..because when we are being baptized we are presenting ourselves to do the will of God...

Jesus teaches us to pray " Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven'

Some of the posts on here seem to be that man can conflict with any sort of authority , in doing Gods will...The authority because they wield power will use its influence, its power to enforce compliance..

But God knows that ..he has known that all the time.

He has never told us to disobey any authority religious or secular..but he does teach us to obey him as ruler rather then men

And I believe because I know and love my heavenly Father...he tests our metal..

Ha ha..yes he tests our faith in him..and he puts us in the positions of conflict ..why?

Because our faith is more precious then refined gold and its a privilege to stand ground under pressure..praise Jah.

Tell me when this thread is updated:

Subscribe Now Add to my Tracker

Add your comments below

Characters left: 4000

Please note by submitting this form you acknowledge that you have read the Terms of Service and the comment you are posting is in compliance with such terms. Be polite. Inappropriate posts may be removed by the moderator. Send us your feedback.

Jehovah's Witness Discussions

Title Updated Last By Comments
ONE God 17 min Yakob 90
TORTURE- a Godly Virtue? 1 hr CIA Agent 603
Why we JWs are so HAPPY! (Apr '15) 1 hr CIA Agent 2,518
Some have lived through hell, literally! 1 hr Geronimo Spirit 233
For rsss1 Zechariah 2 1 hr rsss1 57
Does anybody have a testimony to share? 2 hr truthsetsfree 598
Another REASON why the NWT is the best Bible ever! 4 hr Tricarbonopolis 1,863
If Jesus is God Wed Holy dr Shrink 532
More from around the web