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#1 Dec 7, 2012
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Abel and Meat

According to Genesis 4:4 the biblical Abel butchered an animal from his herd and sacrifice fatty pieces of its meat to God.

- Why would Abel sacrifice a food item to God that he was not eating himself?

- Can you prove from the Bible whatever is your answer to that question?

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#2 Dec 8, 2012
after noah's flood, man is then allowed to eat all kinds of animals.

means before the flood, certain animals can be eaten.
abel offered the fat of animals to GOD and the left over meat, i think he ate it, or fed to wild animals? although there is no proof of biblical evidence of it.

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#3 Dec 8, 2012
Apple_ wrote:
after noah's flood, man is then allowed to eat all kinds of animals.
means before the flood, certain animals can be eaten.
abel offered the fat of animals to GOD and the left over meat, i think he ate it, or fed to wild animals? although there is no proof of biblical evidence of it.
Where's the scriptural proof of what you posted?

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#4 Dec 8, 2012
Marvin Shilmer wrote:
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Abel and Meat
According to Genesis 4:4 the biblical Abel butchered an animal from his herd and sacrifice fatty pieces of its meat to God.
- Why would Abel sacrifice a food item to God that he was not eating himself?
- Can you prove from the Bible whatever is your answer to that question?
Marvin Shilmer
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What difference does it make, you can't prove anything either.

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#5 Dec 8, 2012
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Abel made a sacrifice to God.

If fatty meat was not something valuable to Abel then why sacrifice it to God?

If fatty meat was valuable to Abel then other than food what value could it have held to him?

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#6 Dec 8, 2012
Marvin Shilmer wrote:
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Abel made a sacrifice to God.
If fatty meat was not something valuable to Abel then why sacrifice it to God?
If fatty meat was valuable to Abel then other than food what value could it have held to him?
Marvin Shilmer
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Could it be possible that the major organs, the stomach, and intestines, might have been considered, the fatty pieces? They might have been considered worthy of special mention to Moses, since the innards might not have all been considered valuable to someone used to eating meat, in terms of a gift. Roasts, steaks, the best cuts etc, may have been the norm to a person used to eating animal flesh. Perhaps Able gave everything. It's all speculation, after all.

sidgi

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#7 Dec 8, 2012
So what do you think, sidgi?

If fatty meat was valuable to Abel then other than food what value could it have held to him?

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#8 Dec 8, 2012
Marvin Shilmer wrote:
So what do you think, sidgi?
If fatty meat was valuable to Abel then other than food what value could it have held to him?
Marvin Shilmer
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How about the life such represented. Note that Cain's offering wasn't acceptable. There are many different things that have been offered as explanation for the rejection of Cain's sacrifice. It is possible that the life of the animal involved made Abel's sacrifice more valuable. I don't know. I doubt that the food value would have made it a better sacrifice, as God hadn't given flesh to man to eat. That would be thumbing the nose at God' provisions, if that were the reason.

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#9 Dec 8, 2012
sidgi,

I don’t think you understand my question.

A sacrifice is giving up something of value to yourself. Otherwise giving something up is no sacrifice.

Abel made a sacrifice of fatty meat.

If not as food value, what was valuable about fatty meat to Abel?

Marvin Shilmer
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#10 Dec 8, 2012
Marvin Shilmer wrote:
sidgi,
I don’t think you understand my question.
A sacrifice is giving up something of value to yourself. Otherwise giving something up is no sacrifice.
Abel made a sacrifice of fatty meat.
If not as food value, what was valuable about fatty meat to Abel?
Marvin Shilmer
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I understood it. I also understand that if Abel's sacrifice was from an aspect of animal flesh having food value, it would be a slap in God's face, not an acceptable offering, as God hadn't given flesh for man to eat. You don't have to accept my statement as accurate. It is an alternative to your approach, that has both validity in basis, and doesn't contradict the biblical facts.

sidgi

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#11 Dec 8, 2012
sidgi,

I guess I’m the one who fails to understand something. I’m neither rejecting nor accepting your earlier response because I’m not sure what it means.

In your initial response what value were you saying fatty meat held to Abel? What value do you think fatty meat was to Abel?

Marvin Shilmer
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#12 Dec 8, 2012
I have no Idea, but since Moses made the distinction,(he did write the book) I guess someone would have to understand the point he was trying to make about it. In post number 6, I made the point that Moses might have been making the point of a total offering. I think if you check, fat tends to be in the areas I mentioned. Those would rightly be called fatty pieces. Men would prefer the better cuts, I would think.

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#13 Dec 9, 2012
I decided to look at an interlinear bible version, regarding the fat. It seems a translators choice, as to how to render that point. It could be rendered the choicest of the flock. In other words, that Abel gave his very best. Not necessarily the fat of the particular animal, but the fat or best of the flock.

It is very difficult to believe that Abel, not even 1 generation away from creation would, in his trying to please God with an offering, even consider doing so with something that he valued in a way that would not be in total harmony with Gods original intentions. Especially, since God readily accepted his sacrifice, and admonished Cain that he should turn to doing good, ostensibly using Abel as an example.

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#14 Dec 9, 2012
Marvin Shilmer wrote:
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Abel and Meat
According to Genesis 4:4 the biblical Abel butchered an animal from his herd and sacrifice fatty pieces of its meat to God.
- Why would Abel sacrifice a food item to God that he was not eating himself?
- Can you prove from the Bible whatever is your answer to that question?
Marvin Shilmer
http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com
The importance of the sacrifice is NOT the meat it is the BLOOD.

Abel did not eat meat. The Bible clearly states that man ate VEGETATION.

Only after Noah's flood did God allow man to eat meat.

BIBLE 101.

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#15 Dec 9, 2012
*** BIBLE 101 ***

What did God ORIGINALLY authorise man to eat?

*** Gen 1:29 God said, "Behold, I have given you every herb yielding seed, which is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree, which bears fruit yielding seed. It will be your food.

When did God allow man to eat meat?

*** Gen 9:1 God blessed Noah and his sons, and said to them,

*** Gen 9:2 The fear of you and the dread of you will be on every animal of the earth, and on every bird of the sky. Everything that the ground teems with, and all the fish of the sea are delivered into your hand.

*** Gen 9:3 Every moving thing that lives will be food for you. As the green herb, I have given everything to you.
Gen 9:4 But flesh with its life, its blood, you shall not eat.
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#16 Dec 9, 2012
Marvin asked "Why would Abel sacrifice a food item to God that he was not eating himself?"

My question

How did Abel know he was suppose to sacrifice anything and how to sacrifice it?

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#17 Dec 9, 2012
Thirdwitness wrote:
Marvin asked "Why would Abel sacrifice a food item to God that he was not eating himself?"
My question
How did Abel know he was suppose to sacrifice anything and how to sacrifice it?
That's a good question! I had to go back to read it again.

Scripture really does not say,but I did notice both brothers brought something to a place,which means knew where to go.So it must have been discussed earlier on where to go and what to bring.

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#18 Dec 9, 2012
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From post 16[1]:
Thirdwitness wrote:
My question
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How did Abel know he was suppose to sacrifice anything and how to sacrifice it?
Sacrificial giving tends to be 1) a spontaneous act expressing appreciation, 2) an effort to gain something of value, 3) obedience to a mandate or 4) some combination of these.

I do not know that Abel was supposed to sacrifice. Abel’s could have been a spontaneous act of appreciation. But it could have been other of the above reasons or combination thereof.

I do not know that there was a right and/or wrong way to sacrifice for Abel. Abel’s method of sacrifice could have been self-concocted.

I know that Abel sacrificed, and that sacrifice requires forfeiting something of value.

Hence my question:

- Why would Abel sacrifice a food item to God that he was not eating himself?

Marvin Shilmer
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1. Post 16: http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-...

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#19 Dec 9, 2012
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From post 14[1]:
Aneirin wrote:
The importance of the sacrifice is NOT the meat it is the BLOOD.
Yet the biblical record says Abel sacrificed fatty meat; not blood.

So what made the fatty meat valuable?
Aneirin wrote:
Abel did not eat meat. The Bible clearly states that man ate VEGETATION.
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Only after Noah's flood did God allow man to eat meat.


Because the Bible expresses vegetable matter is a food for humans does not mean eating meat was forbidden. What affirmative proof do you have that Abel did not eat meat?

Marvin Shilmer
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1. Post 14: http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-...
Thirdwitness

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#20 Dec 9, 2012
Marvin Shilmer wrote:
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From post 16[1]:
<quoted text>
Sacrificial giving tends to be 1) a spontaneous act expressing appreciation, 2) an effort to gain something of value, 3) obedience to a mandate or 4) some combination of these.
I do not know that Abel was supposed to sacrifice. Abel’s could have been a spontaneous act of appreciation. But it could have been other of the above reasons or combination thereof.
I do not know that there was a right and/or wrong way to sacrifice for Abel. Abel’s method of sacrifice could have been self-concocted.
I know that Abel sacrificed, and that sacrifice requires forfeiting something of value.
Hence my question:
- Why would Abel sacrifice a food item to God that he was not eating himself?
Marvin Shilmer
http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com
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References:
1. Post 16: http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-...
And thus the answer could very well be simply that God told him how and what to sacrifice. That God gave instructions and talked to them is apparent by the account itself where Cain receives counsel. Cain showed no surprise in being talked to by God.

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