World Events -- WHAT NEXT?
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Anonymous2100

Malakoff, TX

#1 Apr 13, 2010
What's next is that the U.N. is going to outlaw the Federal Reserve and confiscate it's vast wealth. At the same time the governments are going to give their sovereignty to the U.N. who becomes the 8th king. The Bible says life is extended to the kingdoms for "a time and a season" after the 4th beast, Babylon, is destroyed.

So when you see the Federal Reserve outlawed and the U.N. take over, then Armageddon will occur in 15 months or earlier.

Is this real? Sure it is! Already the Congress is trying to enact bills to outlaw the Fed and audit them. Of course, the Fed is resisting. Likely because if they are audited the world will find out how much drug trafficking money is part of the system of wealth in the world! That provides a perfect LEGAL basis for confiscating ALL the monies hoarded in private off shore accounts and in Switzerland.

But that makes sense. In order for these funds to be confiscated, all the nations have to cooperate through the U.N. In the present economy, everybody will benefit if the paper money accounts of the Federal Reserve are simply wiped out!

So that's what is next.

Obviously, shutting down the internet is critical during this transition. Obama has already gotten legislation that gives him the right to shut down the internet in case of national crisis. With the net shut down, people cannot network and oppose and monitor what is going on by the government.

Even so, Jehovah's hand will be directing this. Babylon the Great, the Mysteries, must be punished.

Since the second coming occurred in 1992 and the sealing completed in May 2008, there is nothing stopping the final events from now happening to lead into Armageddon.

Don't forget though, Obama already uses the phrase "peace and security." It's uncanny! So within those 15 months the world will achieve some state of global peace and economic security. Why not if you have a U.N. controlled nuclear policy and Iran is neutralized and becomes part of the U.N.? It's the LOGICAL solution. It is clear rogue states can't have nuclear capability. It would only be a matter of time before someone in office, even if democratically elected, decided to start a world war or try to destroy Israel. There is just too much at stake.

But how do you permit some nations to have their nuclear capabilities and deny other nations? You can't. The ONLY solution is that all nations join the U.N. It is practical to resolving the nuclear situation and it is practical for management of the global economy.

So we are NOW experiencing what the Bible prophesied thousands of years ago. That is, if you have the right interpretation, which the WTS does not have, not the "cutting edge" anyway.

I do though.:>

Since: Mar 09

United States

#2 Apr 14, 2010
World events do show the "End" to be close at hand. AND yes, it has been "preached" for many long yesrs. Does that mean it won't come? No...simply means all happens according to Jehovah GOD's time table...not ours. We are to keep preaching until it occurrs. It will come, no doubt about that.
aadriver

Sandy, UK

#3 Apr 15, 2010
Individuals and organisations have been preaching the end will come for centuries. We are now better off than we have ever been all without God's help.
As regards the U N to call it an eighth king is laughable. It has no real teeth.
It does what it can to help nations in many ways but when it comes to the crunch the nations do what they want to do. An example was when Britain invaded Iraq. In the end Britain took no notice of the U N and went into Iraq with America. There was nothing the U N could do about it.

Since: Jan 07

Location hidden

#4 Apr 15, 2010
aadriver wrote:
Individuals and organisations have been preaching the end will come for centuries. We are now better off than we have ever been all without God's help.
As regards the U N to call it an eighth king is laughable. It has no real teeth.
It does what it can to help nations in many ways but when it comes to the crunch the nations do what they want to do. An example was when Britain invaded Iraq. In the end Britain took no notice of the U N and went into Iraq with America. There was nothing the U N could do about it.
The whole point about the eighth king is that it draws its power from all the other kings. That happens to be EXACTLY how the UN works. It has an army because the member nations (kings) give their troops to it. It has money because the member nations (kings) give it their cashola.

Soon it will have the power to destroy worldly religions because the member nations (kings) will give it that power as well until Jehovah's will has been full accomplished.

You'll see...

Since: Jan 07

Location hidden

#5 Apr 15, 2010
My guesses.

The Pope will eventually be indited by an international tribunal. This will send Christendom into fits of frenzie.

They are all expecting a crack-down on religion from the government so when it happens they will come out fighting. They foolishly believe that Armageddon is their fight and not God's.

So they will launch some serious trouble around the world but mainly in the middle east, fighting Muslims and taking over the site of Solomon's Temple in Israel.

This will cause a serious war in the middle east primarily between Christendom, Israel and the Muslim extremists.

Oil will become unobtainable and the world will be thrown into KAOS.

Then the kings of the earth will give full authority to the UN to dissolve the religious factions who are destroying the economy of the whole inhabited world.

China and Russia will present the solution of ridding themselves of organised religion once and for all.

The churches will be repossessed, the mosques and the synagogues will be dismantled and adherence to any form of religious creed will be banned.

People will stop going to church. Those from Christendom will realise that they were never really bothered about God anyway. The vast majority of so-called "Christians" are only token "Christians" anyway. The authorities will round up most of the people who refuse to leave Christendom because they will insist on continuing to carry their cross idols.

During this time the signs that Jesus spoke of will be in full swing. Everyone with a clue will realise that these are the signs of the end. There will even be supernatural phenomena occurring in the sun. moon and stars just like Jesus said. The authorities will explain these away but everyone will know and dread and fear will be upon the whole earth.

The only religion to remain organised and meeting for worship after this period will be Jehovah's Witnesses. He will have protected them *as a group* through this tribulation. When the governments realise that the JWs have been overlooked then they will be incensed and turn on them with a view to stamping them out completely.

That is when Jehovah will step in.

Since: Jan 07

Location hidden

#6 Apr 15, 2010
Anonymous2100 wrote:
Why not if you have a U.N. controlled nuclear policy and Iran is neutralized and becomes part of the U.N.? It's the LOGICAL solution.
Iran is already a member of the UN.
aadriver

Sandy, UK

#7 Apr 15, 2010
Gareth wrote:
<quoted text>
The whole point about the eighth king is that it draws its power from all the other kings. That happens to be EXACTLY how the UN works. It has an army because the member nations (kings) give their troops to it. It has money because the member nations (kings) give it their cashola.
Soon it will have the power to destroy worldly religions because the member nations (kings) will give it that power as well until Jehovah's will has been full accomplished.
You'll see...
I was saying the same things in the run up to 1975. I'm still waiting

Since: Jan 07

Location hidden

#8 Apr 15, 2010
aadriver wrote:
<quoted text>
I was saying the same things in the run up to 1975. I'm still waiting
And its still true.
bystander no more

Citrus Heights, CA

#9 Apr 15, 2010
Gareth wrote:
My guesses.
The Pope will eventually be indited by an international tribunal. This will send Christendom into fits of frenzie.
They are all expecting a crack-down on religion from the government so when it happens they will come out fighting. They foolishly believe that Armageddon is their fight and not God's.
So they will launch some serious trouble around the world but mainly in the middle east, fighting Muslims and taking over the site of Solomon's Temple in Israel.
This will cause a serious war in the middle east primarily between Christendom, Israel and the Muslim extremists.
Oil will become unobtainable and the world will be thrown into KAOS.
Then the kings of the earth will give full authority to the UN to dissolve the religious factions who are destroying the economy of the whole inhabited world.
China and Russia will present the solution of ridding themselves of organised religion once and for all.
The churches will be repossessed, the mosques and the synagogues will be dismantled and adherence to any form of religious creed will be banned.
People will stop going to church. Those from Christendom will realise that they were never really bothered about God anyway. The vast majority of so-called "Christians" are only token "Christians" anyway. The authorities will round up most of the people who refuse to leave Christendom because they will insist on continuing to carry their cross idols.
During this time the signs that Jesus spoke of will be in full swing. Everyone with a clue will realise that these are the signs of the end. There will even be supernatural phenomena occurring in the sun. moon and stars just like Jesus said. The authorities will explain these away but everyone will know and dread and fear will be upon the whole earth.
The only religion to remain organised and meeting for worship after this period will be Jehovah's Witnesses. He will have protected them *as a group* through this tribulation. When the governments realise that the JWs have been overlooked then they will be incensed and turn on them with a view to stamping them out completely.
That is when Jehovah will step in.
Let's get this party started :-)

Since: Mar 09

United States

#10 Apr 15, 2010
The end of this system is surely not something anyone should take lightly. The Bible says that the Prophet Habakkuk saw in a vision the eveents that will take place during this system's destructive end, and it was so scary it made him shudder. Doesn't sound like a time to party at all.
SOSSOS

Farmingdale, NY

#11 Apr 15, 2010
Gareth wrote:
My guesses.
The Pope will eventually be indited by an international tribunal. This will send Christendom into fits of frenzie.
They are all expecting a crack-down on religion from the government so when it happens they will come out fighting. They foolishly believe that Armageddon is their fight and not God's.
So they will launch some serious trouble around the world but mainly in the middle east, fighting Muslims and taking over the site of Solomon's Temple in Israel.
This will cause a serious war in the middle east primarily between Christendom, Israel and the Muslim extremists.
Oil will become unobtainable and the world will be thrown into KAOS.
Then the kings of the earth will give full authority to the UN to dissolve the religious factions who are destroying the economy of the whole inhabited world.
China and Russia will present the solution of ridding themselves of organised religion once and for all.
The churches will be repossessed, the mosques and the synagogues will be dismantled and adherence to any form of religious creed will be banned.
People will stop going to church. Those from Christendom will realise that they were never really bothered about God anyway. The vast majority of so-called "Christians" are only token "Christians" anyway. The authorities will round up most of the people who refuse to leave Christendom because they will insist on continuing to carry their cross idols.
During this time the signs that Jesus spoke of will be in full swing. Everyone with a clue will realise that these are the signs of the end. There will even be supernatural phenomena occurring in the sun. moon and stars just like Jesus said. The authorities will explain these away but everyone will know and dread and fear will be upon the whole earth.
The only religion to remain organised and meeting for worship after this period will be Jehovah's Witnesses. He will have protected them *as a group* through this tribulation. When the governments realise that the JWs have been overlooked then they will be incensed and turn on them with a view to stamping them out completely.
That is when Jehovah will step in.
You forgot something,

THE GOVERNING BODY WILL ALLOW BLOOD TRANSFUSIONS AND MAKE ANOTHER FALSE PROPHECY.

THEN JESUS WILL RETURN.
Anonymous2100

Malakoff, TX

#12 Apr 20, 2010
Nomi wrote:
World events do show the "End" to be close at hand. AND yes, it has been "preached" for many long yesrs. Does that mean it won't come? No...simply means all happens according to Jehovah GOD's time table...not ours. We are to keep preaching until it occurrs. It will come, no doubt about that.
Hello?

The "7 times" prophecy is in the Bible. 2520 years from the fall of Jerusalem to the 2nd coming. 1914 doesn't work, unfortunately, because it is based on a revised timeline.

But, there is little excuse now since we know who rvised and the timeline and why. We even have the VAT4956 to confirm the original dating. Jerusalem fell in 529 BCE.

So please don't come with you JIVE saying Jehovah will do this or that in his own time when he has provided you with the correct dating. The 2nd coming must occur in 1992, 2520 years from 529 BCE and 45 years after the "end", meaning the "end of the gentile times" on November 30, 1947. The same date = 1992.

The end was in 1947 and our only check-off is whether the WTS had gone worldwide by then and they have.

Now you can challenge the chronology and ancient history if you want to, but if your attitude is that you don't have to worry about the chronology in the Bible, like the "7 times prophecy" then your error is on your own head for ignoring something in the Bible put there for a reason.

Since: Mar 09

United States

#13 Apr 20, 2010
I have posted the rebuttal from the Bible on this before. Apparently, you missed it.
Anonymous2100 wrote:
<quoted text>
Hello?
The "7 times" prophecy is in the Bible. 2520 years from the fall of Jerusalem to the 2nd coming. 1914 doesn't work, unfortunately, because it is based on a revised timeline.
But, there is little excuse now since we know who rvised and the timeline and why. We even have the VAT4956 to confirm the original dating. Jerusalem fell in 529 BCE.
So please don't come with you JIVE saying Jehovah will do this or that in his own time when he has provided you with the correct dating. The 2nd coming must occur in 1992, 2520 years from 529 BCE and 45 years after the "end", meaning the "end of the gentile times" on November 30, 1947. The same date = 1992.
The end was in 1947 and our only check-off is whether the WTS had gone worldwide by then and they have.
Now you can challenge the chronology and ancient history if you want to, but if your attitude is that you don't have to worry about the chronology in the Bible, like the "7 times prophecy" then your error is on your own head for ignoring something in the Bible put there for a reason.
dee lightful

Williamston, SC

#14 Apr 20, 2010
aadriver wrote:
Individuals and organisations have been preaching the end will come for centuries. We are now better off than we have ever been all without God's help.
As regards the U N to call it an eighth king is laughable. It has no real teeth.
It does what it can to help nations in many ways but when it comes to the crunch the nations do what they want to do. An example was when Britain invaded Iraq. In the end Britain took no notice of the U N and went into Iraq with America. There was nothing the U N could do about it.
It seems you are the only one who knows what he's talking about. It's good to know the facts rather than guesses.
Anonymous2100

Malakoff, TX

#15 Apr 21, 2010
Nomi wrote:
I have posted the rebuttal from the Bible on this before. Apparently, you missed it.
<quoted text>
Yes, missed it. Give me the link, I'd like to see the specifics. Thanks. In the meantime I'll try to find it. What's the title of the post, etc? I'd like to respond to it. Otherwise, repost your rebuttal. Just because you disagree doesn't mean your arguments can't be challenged, right?

My BASIC position on the time prophecies, such as the "70 weeks", the "1335 days", the "7 times" is the "day for a year" can be a valid application.

Since: Mar 09

United States

#16 Apr 22, 2010
1914:

So when do the "7 times" begin? How long do they last?

We know that Israel spend 70 years in captivity in Babylon:

*** Jer 29:10 For thus says Jehovah, After seventy years are accomplished for Babylon, I will visit you, and perform my good word toward you, in causing you to return to this place.

So when did Persians liberate Israel from Babylon?

The Babylonian Empire fell to Cyrus in 539BCE but the Jews did not return to their homeland until 2 years later in 537BCE.

Counting back the 70 years that Jeremiah told us that Israel would remain in Babylon brings us to 607BCE when their servitude began (Jer 29:10).

So the Gentile Times begin in 607BCE.

When do they end?

Well from Revelation we can learn what "7 times" represents:

*** Rev 12:6 The woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, that there they may nourish her one thousand two hundred sixty days.

We are told that the 'woman' will be in the wilderness for 1260 days. Then we are give the same period describes as "times":

*** Rev 12:14 Two wings of the great eagle were given to the woman, that she might fly into the wilderness to her place, so that she might be nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

Therefore "3 and a half times" = 1260 days.

Therefore "7 times" = 2520 days.

Now another interesting aspect of the prophecies surrounding the punishment of Israel is that Ezekiel actually "lived out" some of the prophecies by spending time physically laying on his side:

*** Ezek 4:6 Again, when you have accomplished these, you shall lie on your right side, and shall bear the iniquity of the house of Judah: forty days, each day for a year, have I appointed it to you.

So for every "day" that Ezekiel was to lie on his side a full year would pass for Israel.

Interestingly with respect to Nebuchadnezzar's dream prophecy, Nebuchadnezzar ALSO "lived out" a prophetic period of "7 times". This indicates that the "7 times" might also be calculated at "a day for a year" just like the prophecy that Ezekiel "lived out".

So our 2520 prophecy "days" are actually 2520 literal years.

So now we know the beginning (607BCE) and the duration (2520 years) of the Gentile Times we can work out when they ended:

607 BCE + 2520 years = 1914CE (no zero year)
Anonymous2100

Malakoff, TX

#17 Apr 23, 2010
Thanks Nomi.

I have several comments but will just make one and get your response...
Nomi wrote:
1914:
So when do the "7 times" begin? How long do they last?
We know that Israel spend 70 years in captivity in Babylon:
*** Jer 29:10 For thus says Jehovah, After seventy years are accomplished for Babylon, I will visit you, and perform my good word toward you, in causing you to return to this place.
So when did Persians liberate Israel from Babylon?

Counting back the 70 years that Jeremiah told us that Israel would remain in Babylon brings us to 607BCE when their servitude began (Jer 29:10)
Okay. Jer. 52:30 says the last deportation was in year 23 of Nebuchadnezzar. Jer. 44:14,28 confirms that those remaining from the sword who had ran down to Egypt (i.e. including Jeremiah and Baruch) would return to Judea. The Bible says that those who were left over from the sword who had returned from Egypt are the ones who would spend the actual 70 years in exile.

Therefore, even if you use the incorrect date of 537 BCE for the return to Jerusalem, 70 years earlier in 607 BCE would mark the year of the last deportation, year 23, not the fall of Jerusalem.

Further, the Jews have historically always known this since Josephus in Ant. 11.1.1 reflects the very same thing. He notes that the 70 years begins when the people are "removed off their land" meaning the final deportation, year 23.

So please comment on why 70 years from the return is year 18 of Nebuchadnezzar rather than year 23?

Thanks!
Che

Bethlehem, PA

#18 Apr 23, 2010
It's so funny watching people try to force fulfillment of prophecy within their lifetime. The connections they are able to draw are quite imaginative, but lack any substance. These generational-centric rantings are nothing new.

Why don't people understand that there are some things we do not know, e.g. when the end will come. I mean come on, Anonymous2100 can figure out Armageddon to come within 15 months of the Fed being outlawed and the UN taking over? Hahaha!

Mark 13:32. Read it. Read it again.
bejacopt

Foothill Ranch, CA

#19 Apr 27, 2010
Gareth wrote:
<quoted text>
The whole point about the eighth king is that it draws its power from all the other kings. That happens to be EXACTLY how the UN works. It has an army because the member nations (kings) give their troops to it. It has money because the member nations (kings) give it their cashola.
Soon it will have the power to destroy worldly religions because the member nations (kings) will give it that power as well until Jehovah's will has been full accomplished.
You'll see...
I have a question? I heard that the "Great Tribulations" will be a time of global chaos, in other words, a world without law and order or the total collapse of societies in a worldwide scale, similar to what happened to ancient Israel during the Roman and Jewish war, Is my assumptions true? I would like to hear your opinion on this matter, thank you.
bejacopt

Foothill Ranch, CA

#20 Apr 27, 2010
Nomi wrote:
The end of this system is surely not something anyone should take lightly. The Bible says that the Prophet Habakkuk saw in a vision the eveents that will take place during this system's destructive end, and it was so scary it made him shudder. Doesn't sound like a time to party at all.
I would like to hear your opinion as well to the question I pose on this trend.

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