Suicide and mentall illness rate IS HIGHER AS A JW.

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Since: Sep 11

Brantford, Canada

#3 Dec 2, 2012
Jw's and mental illness is a very serious issue that needs to be discussed at length, and more studies done.
TPMP

Greenwich, CT

#4 Dec 2, 2012
Stingo wrote:
Jw's and mental illness is a very serious issue that needs to be discussed at length, and more studies done.
Just thought i'd say.

How are you doing today, Stingo?

It is real cold up there, yet?.

Since: Sep 11

Brantford, Canada

#5 Dec 2, 2012
TPMP wrote:
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Just thought i'd say.
How are you doing today, Stingo?
It is real cold up there, yet?.
Doing great. Just finished a show at an amazing theatre. Rain and warm here. 12 degrees, about 55 degrees for you

“Surprised By Love”

Since: Aug 12

Location hidden

#6 Dec 2, 2012
While it is true that Jehovahs Witnesses have a higher rate of mental illness, I dont think you can say that most JWs are on psych meds. That was not my experience at all. There are some that should be on meds but are not, as some elders discourage members from seeking psychiatric care, which is a shame.

Since: Oct 10

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#7 Dec 2, 2012
much happier now wrote:
While it is true that Jehovahs Witnesses have a higher rate of mental illness, I dont think you can say that most JWs are on psych meds. That was not my experience at all. There are some that should be on meds but are not, as some elders discourage members from seeking psychiatric care, which is a shame.
they use to discourage psychiatric care where they prescribe medication, even so there maybe some elders that do discourage it, but mostly they dont anymore, its psychologists they are against.
TPMP

Greenwich, CT

#8 Dec 2, 2012
Stingo wrote:
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Doing great. Just finished a show at an amazing theatre. Rain and warm here. 12 degrees, about 55 degrees for you
Good for you.

I wish you the best. Accomplishment is good.

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It's about 55. A little cloudy. Last week was very cold. We had some of the Artic winds from up your way come down South.

Tomorrow will be close to 60.

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How do you like Toronto?. How far are you from that city?.
TPMP

Greenwich, CT

#9 Dec 2, 2012
What happened to the TPMP torment thread?.

I see it got pulled...LOL!

Since: Sep 11

Brantford, Canada

#10 Dec 2, 2012
TPMP wrote:
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Just thought i'd say.
How are you doing today, Stingo?
It is real cold up there, yet?.
Oh, and enjoy the truce until baseball season starts. That's when I'll attack you without mercy. The Blue Jays are going to destroy the AL East. You'll hear about it everyday, trust me.
TPMP

Greenwich, CT

#11 Dec 2, 2012
Stingo wrote:
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Oh, and enjoy the truce until baseball season starts. That's when I'll attack you without mercy. The Blue Jays are going to destroy the AL East. You'll hear about it everyday, trust me.
LOL!
make it so

Bakersfield, CA

#12 Dec 2, 2012
TPMP wrote:
What happened to the TPMP torment thread?.
I see it got pulled...LOL!
I don;t see how, cause I have benn posting on it for several minutes just now. Maybe you just can;t see through your jaundiced eyes?
TPMP

Greenwich, CT

#13 Dec 2, 2012
make it so wrote:
<quoted text>I don;t see how, cause I have benn posting on it for several minutes just now. Maybe you just can;t see through your jaundiced eyes?
I was on another search engine, dummy.

Sometimes it takes time for them to catch up.

I have it now.

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BTW

Your spelling is horrible.

Get off the pills, Pam. You post in manic like spurts.
Aviela

Los Angeles, CA

#14 Dec 2, 2012
Where do you folks get your statistics from?

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#15 Dec 2, 2012
The statistics come from the WT and your GB, not in numbers but in articles about mental illness, heaps of articles and experiences from JW coping with mental illness, every DC and CA they give example of b/s coping with mental illness, interviewing b/s that have mental illness and some so ill that they wanted to end it all, but talked about how they coped and what helped them to keep going, this was an example to help THE MANY JW WITH MENTAL ILLNESS.

And it is to be excepted in these times as it is a world wide problem and JW are not immuned.
jackie

Fairless Hills, PA

#16 Dec 2, 2012
TPMP wrote:
What happened to the TPMP torment thread?.
I see it got pulled...LOL!
I just got done posting on it, guess it only came up in my reply.

Topix at it again.

“Surprised By Love”

Since: Aug 12

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#17 Dec 3, 2012
array wrote:
<quoted text>they use to discourage psychiatric care where they prescribe medication, even so there maybe some elders that do discourage it, but mostly they dont anymore, its psychologists they are against.
Well, psychiatric meds have their place, and they can be a life saver, but if you don't address the root cause of your depression, its really just putting a band aid on the problem. I have been prone to depression in the past, and used anti depressants, but it became ineffective after a while.

After a horrible experience on one drug (cymbalta), I started working on my negative thought patterns. It was hard, but I am fine now with no anti-depressants. Its not as simple as "just think positive", it is a lot harder and more complex than that.

I believe some people are born with a tendency to depression that can be aggravated by experiences and conditioning. I believe the culture of the Jehovah's Witnesses aggravates depressive tendencies and makes some people worse, as it did for me. So while it's great that anti-depressants are allowed now, it doesn't address negative thinking patterns and the effects of a "end of the world" type religion on those with depressive tendencies. The WTBTS teachings tend to cause you to feel guilty when you cannot meet their standards on meeting attendance and field service or when you have normal human flaws.

The WTBTS discourages their members from seeing mental health professionals, and that is too bad, because without this help the medications may eventually become ineffective, and the person may be even worse off. With good therapy, this can be avoided, but it is also true that the therapy may help that person see in what way the religion is contributing to the problem. You certainly don't have to leave the religion to get better, but that may be a consequence of a person becoming mentally healthy and able to make good decisions.

So the WTBTS is partially right in that therapy may result in a person eventually deciding to leave, the alternative, leaving someone in a depressed state, is not really the solution either, as that could likely result in suicide or becoming dependent on drugs or alcohol.

“John 4:23,24”

Since: Oct 09

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#18 Dec 3, 2012
much happier now wrote:
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Well, psychiatric meds have their place, and they can be a life saver, but if you don't address the root cause of your depression, its really just putting a band aid on the problem. I have been prone to depression in the past, and used anti depressants, but it became ineffective after a while.
After a horrible experience on one drug (cymbalta), I started working on my negative thought patterns. It was hard, but I am fine now with no anti-depressants. Its not as simple as "just think positive", it is a lot harder and more complex than that.
I believe some people are born with a tendency to depression that can be aggravated by experiences and conditioning. I believe the culture of the Jehovah's Witnesses aggravates depressive tendencies and makes some people worse, as it did for me. So while it's great that anti-depressants are allowed now, it doesn't address negative thinking patterns and the effects of a "end of the world" type religion on those with depressive tendencies. The WTBTS teachings tend to cause you to feel guilty when you cannot meet their standards on meeting attendance and field service or when you have normal human flaws.
The WTBTS discourages their members from seeing mental health professionals, and that is too bad, because without this help the medications may eventually become ineffective, and the person may be even worse off. With good therapy, this can be avoided, but it is also true that the therapy may help that person see in what way the religion is contributing to the problem. You certainly don't have to leave the religion to get better, but that may be a consequence of a person becoming mentally healthy and able to make good decisions.
So the WTBTS is partially right in that therapy may result in a person eventually deciding to leave, the alternative, leaving someone in a depressed state, is not really the solution either, as that could likely result in suicide or becoming dependent on drugs or alcohol.
Jehovah's Witnesses are not discouraged from seeking medical treatment for clinical depression. Quite the opposite.

“the truth will set you free...”

Since: Nov 10

Houston, TX

#19 Dec 3, 2012
http://jehovahswitnesses21.blogspot.com/searc...

Some critics reference bias or scientifically flawed studies as evidence of higher levels of mental illness amongst Jehovah's Witnesses in comparison with contemporary society and attempt to identify reasons why this could be the case.

The Mental Health of Jehovah's Witnesses by John Spencer is widely quoted though the findings are dubious. This found that in the 3 year period from 1971 to and including 1973, 7,546 inpatients were admitted to the West Australian Mental Health Service Psychiatric Hospitals, of which 50 were active Witnesses. This represents a rate of 2.54/1000 for the general population and 4.17/1000 for Jehovah's Witnesses.

Psychiatric and psychological evaluations don't ask about or include religion in their assessments. A legitimate psychiatric hospital doesn't maintain religious beliefs in their patient records. Some studies were conducted while Jehovah's Witnesses were being persecuted by the secular authorities in the 1940's. This can hardly be deemed scientifically accurate or non-bias.

Rylander's Study

In 1946, Gosta Rylander investigated a sample of conscientious objectors imprisoned in Sweden. About four percent of the eligible Swedish population was judged psychologically "unfit" for military service, and the corresponding figure for Witnesses was 21 percent, or five times greater. This is close to the same ratio later found by John Spencer, whose diagnosis of "psychotic" or "neurotic" was made on the basis of mental hospital admission screening.

The First American Study

In 1949, in the first study on American Witness mental health, M. J. Pescor diagnosed as psychotic over seven percent of his total sample of 177 young males imprisoned due to obeying the Watchtower's prohibition against complying with military regulations. The level of Witness psychosis in his sample was about 17 times higher than that for the population as a whole.

It is impossible to assess the mental health amongst Jehovah's Witnesses as a worldwide organization from these or like sources.

The basic concept is that chemical and neurotransmitter imbalances within the brain are the main causes of psychiatric conditions. For over three decades, scientists have attributed a chemical imbalance in the brain as the source of major depression for example. Most biological theories focus on the monoamine chemicals serotonin, norepinephrine and dopamine, which are naturally present in the brain and assist communication between nerve cells. Newer studies provide an explanation of how this “chemical imbalance” occurs. Stress is one of the root causes in the development of a mental illness.

“the truth will set you free...”

Since: Nov 10

Houston, TX

#20 Dec 3, 2012
Mental Health: A Report of the Surgeon General (1999)- Chapter 1

Mental health is a state of successful performance of mental function, resulting in productive activities, fulfilling relationships with other people, and the ability to adapt to change and to cope with adversity. Mental health is indispensable to personal well-being, family and interpersonal relationships, and contribution to community or society. It is easy to overlook the value of mental health until problems surface. Yet from early childhood until death, mental health is the springboard of thinking and communication skills, learning, emotional growth, resilience, and self-esteem. These are the ingredients of each individual’s successful contribution to community and society. Americans are inundated with messages about success—in school, in a profession, in parenting, in relationships—without appreciating that successful performance rests on a foundation of mental health.

Mental Health: A Report of the Surgeon General (1999)- Chapter 4

Interventions for Stressful Life Events

Stressful life events, even for those at the peak of mental health, erode quality of life and place people at risk for symptoms and signs of mental disorders. There is an ever-expanding list of formal and informal interventions to aid individuals coping with adversity. Sources of informal interventions include family and friends, education, community services, self-help groups, social support networks, religious and spiritual endeavors, complementary healers, and physical activities. As valuable as these activities may be for promoting mental health, they have received less research attention than have interventions for mental disorders. Nevertheless, there are selected interventions to help people cope with stressors, such as bereavement programs and programs for caregivers (see Chapter 5) as well as couples therapy and physical activity.

Watchtower 02/01/1992 p. 13 Jehovah’s Gift of Holy Spirit

Benefit From God’s Holy Spirit

What a powerful force this spirit is! But how can Christians today avail themselves of it? First, Jesus said we should ask for it, so why not do just that? Pray to Jehovah to give you this wonderful gift not only in times of stress but on every occasion. In addition, read the Bible so that holy spirit can speak to you.(Compare Hebrews 3:7.) Meditate on what you read and apply it so that holy spirit can be an influence in your life.(Psalm 1:1-3) Further, associate—individually, in congregations, and at assemblies—with others who rely on God’s spirit. How richly holy spirit fortifies those who bless their God “in the congregated throngs”!—Psalm 68:26.

Is not Jehovah a generous God? He says we have only to ask for holy spirit and he will give it to us. How foolish to rely on our own wisdom and strength when such a powerful help is at our disposal!

“Surprised By Love”

Since: Aug 12

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#21 Dec 3, 2012
eagleeye2 wrote:
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Jehovah's Witnesses are not discouraged from seeking medical treatment for clinical depression. Quite the opposite.
Yes, they are allowed to seek "medical" treatment. A regular doctor can prescribe anti-depressants. But what about seeing psychiatrist or psychologist? I have been out a while, but many here have posted that they were discouraged from seeing those. That was the whole point of my previous post, that just getting meds sometimes is just a temporary solution, and the person needs to do the work involved in truly becoming mentally healthy. I had a Nurse Practioner give me Cymbalta, with absolutely no instructions or follow up which actually made my problems worse. I would never take anything like that with out seeing a Psychiatrist.

I know also that the Watchtower may say one thing for the public, but the elders are given different instructions and/or due to ignorance and lack of training, they tell the person to pray, go to meetings, etc., when they have a mental illness and need therapy. I have seen that to be the case, and read many more experiences like that. My father thought a brother was demonized because he heard voices. He was actually schizophrenic, the guy was disfellowshipped for a mental illness. It show the complete lack of knowledge or training that the elders have.

“the truth will set you free...”

Since: Nov 10

Conroe, TX

#22 Dec 3, 2012
much happier now wrote:
<quoted text>Yes, they are allowed to seek "medical" treatment. A regular doctor can prescribe anti-depressants. But what about seeing psychiatrist or psychologist? I have been out a while, but many here have posted that they were discouraged from seeing those. That was the whole point of my previous post, that just getting meds sometimes is just a temporary solution, and the person needs to do the work involved in truly becoming mentally healthy. I had a Nurse Practioner give me Cymbalta, with absolutely no instructions or follow up which actually made my problems worse. I would never take anything like that with out seeing a Psychiatrist.

I know also that the Watchtower may say one thing for the public, but the elders are given different instructions and/or due to ignorance and lack of training, they tell the person to pray, go to meetings, etc., when they have a mental illness and need therapy. I have seen that to be the case, and read many more experiences like that. My father thought a brother was demonized because he heard voices. He was actually schizophrenic, the guy was disfellowshipped for a mental illness. It show the complete lack of knowledge or training that the elders have.
Another cooked story. No one was disfellowshipped for mental illness. That's the stupidist crap I've heard yet. There's extensive awareness regarding mental illness in the society's publications.

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