The JW canned response to why people ...

The JW canned response to why people leave the organization.

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mike

São José Dos Campos, Brazil

#1 Jun 12, 2011
The JWs stated reasons why people leave the organization is usually that the person leaving is evil or flawed in some way.

Typically "canned" and "robotic" responses.

But do they really know the reasons?

Wouldn't it be necessary to give the reasons they give would require one's ability to read the hearts and minds of those people who leave? Are JWs mind readers? Are they judgemental? Or are they just trying to save face?

“Bustin' Myths”

Since: Dec 09

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#2 Jun 12, 2011
yes

“Family comes First”

Since: May 11

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#3 Jun 12, 2011
Heh. "Turned your back on Jehovah" is the favourite.
aadriver

Sandy, UK

#4 Jun 12, 2011
A good announcement from the platform would be 'so and so' has left the organisation as they no longer believe what is being taught.

That way all would know that the person has not actually commited a serious sin worthy of being disfellowshipped.
mike

São José Dos Campos, Brazil

#5 Jun 12, 2011
Do JWs really know why they are shunning somebody who left?(other than simply being told to do so at the risk of their own disfellowshipping).
little lamb

Australia

#6 Jun 12, 2011
" Don't judge, or you will be judged, don't condemn or you will be condemned" For the measure you measure out to others is what will be measured out to you."

So thats good advice from Jesus..you will generally find religion teaches the opposite of Jesus

Jesus is the best teacher.
bystander no more

United States

#7 Jun 12, 2011
mike wrote:
The JWs stated reasons why people leave the organization is usually that the person leaving is evil or flawed in some way...
LOL! Is that what they said about you when you left?

Since: Aug 08

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#8 Jun 12, 2011
aadriver wrote:
A good announcement from the platform would be 'so and so' has left the organisation as they no longer believe what is being taught.
That way all would know that the person has not actually commited a serious sin worthy of being disfellowshipped.
Most of the time it is adultery, or something else in that arena of behavior.

We have JW's here that have claimed that they disagree with the WTS, and yet dont insist on being a loudmouth, and making themselves the center of attention.

They havent been DFED yet.

So one side is grossly exaggerating.

Which side is it?

Since: Jan 07

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#9 Jun 12, 2011
mike wrote:
The JWs stated reasons why people leave the organization is usually that the person leaving is evil or flawed in some way.
Can you provide some examples of what you mean? It is easy to say things like this, but is it really true? Mostly, when someone leaves, everyone feels sorry for them and genuinely hopes that they return.
red blood relative

United States

#10 Jun 12, 2011
Mikronboy wrote:
Heh. "Turned your back on Jehovah" is the favourite.
in my case, after i revealed that i didn't believe in 1914, two elders came to my house..... the P.O. then said, as an opening statement "so, you denounce jehovah?".... i said, no... i denounce 1914, would you like me to explain it to you from the bible, as i attempted to grab his bible..... he jerked back, and said, no... then they agreed i should be disfellowshipped or dis-associated and left.

it was announced at the very next meeting, and then the slander campain started.... now i hated jehovha, i was a fornicator, a homosexual, an atheist, i was starting my own religion, bla bla bla..... the list went on..... i heard it all through the grapevine.

so, if teh wicked tospy snakie asks, which side has more exageration, i would say the devious jw reps like him..... its their job..... its how they keep the rest of the sheep from figuring out the truth.

they do the same thing with molestation victims..... the silencing starts immediately after the accusations have been brought forth, all they way from headquarters..... then the smear campaign starts..
http://silentlambs.org/
mike

São José Dos Campos, Brazil

#11 Jun 12, 2011
Gareth wrote:
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Can you provide some examples of what you mean? It is easy to say things like this, but is it really true? Mostly, when someone leaves, everyone feels sorry for them and genuinely hopes that they return.
Come on Gareth, get real.

When my wife left, her congregation had no clue why she left.

When they tried to recruit me, they always said she was such a nice person. Now when her JW mother comes to visit, the JWs here say she is such a nice person and she should visit the KH.

Ya think we should tell them she DA'ed? That might get my mother-in-law in trouble, ya think?
mike

São José Dos Campos, Brazil

#12 Jun 12, 2011
bystander no more wrote:
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LOL! Is that what they said about you when you left?
Never set foot in a KH.

They seemed to like me when I was an athiest.
Didn't want to talk to me anymore when I chose a different religion though.
mike

São José Dos Campos, Brazil

#13 Jun 12, 2011
Topsy Crett wrote:
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Most of the time it is adultery, or something else in that arena of behavior.
We have JW's here that have claimed that they disagree with the WTS, and yet dont insist on being a loudmouth, and making themselves the center of attention.
They havent been DFED yet.
So one side is grossly exaggerating.
Which side is it?
I was told once to only believe 20% of what your hear,
and 80% of what you see.

I guess there is always a resonable doubt, but I doubt it.
Alex

Brantford, Canada

#14 Jun 12, 2011
red blood relative wrote:
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in my case, after i revealed that i didn't believe in 1914, two elders came to my house..... the P.O. then said, as an opening statement "so, you denounce jehovah?".... i said, no... i denounce 1914, would you like me to explain it to you from the bible, as i attempted to grab his bible..... he jerked back, and said, no... then they agreed i should be disfellowshipped or dis-associated and left.
it was announced at the very next meeting, and then the slander campain started.... now i hated jehovha, i was a fornicator, a homosexual, an atheist, i was starting my own religion, bla bla bla..... the list went on..... i heard it all through the grapevine.
so, if teh wicked tospy snakie asks, which side has more exageration, i would say the devious jw reps like him..... its their job..... its how they keep the rest of the sheep from figuring out the truth.
they do the same thing with molestation victims..... the silencing starts immediately after the accusations have been brought forth, all they way from headquarters..... then the smear campaign starts..
http://silentlambs.org/
They don't believe in 1914 either. Perhaps a phone call from you is in order
dee lightful

Pelzer, SC

#15 Jun 12, 2011
Topsy Crett wrote:
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Most of the time it is adultery, or something else in that arena of behavior.
We have JW's here that have claimed that they disagree with the WTS, and yet dont insist on being a loudmouth, and making themselves the center of attention.
They havent been DFED yet.
So one side is grossly exaggerating.
Which side is it?
" Most of the time it is adultery or something else in that area", how would you know this? So you are doing your share of exaggerating!
mike

São José Dos Campos, Brazil

#16 Jun 12, 2011
Alex wrote:
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They don't believe in 1914 either. Perhaps a phone call from you is in order
I believe 1914 did happen, as well as May 21st, 2011.
I wasn't there for the 1914 one but I heard years ago from reliable sources there was in fact a 1914 did happen.

It just happened in a way that Russell and Camping said it wouldn't.
jace

Alexandria, VA

#17 Jun 12, 2011
mike wrote:
The JWs stated reasons why people leave the organization is usually that the person leaving is evil or flawed in some way.
Typically "canned" and "robotic" responses.
But do they really know the reasons?
Wouldn't it be necessary to give the reasons they give would require one's ability to read the hearts and minds of those people who leave? Are JWs mind readers? Are they judgemental? Or are they just trying to save face?
Over the years jw have literally linked the Writings of the WT Editorial staff with ones relationship with God.

I spoke at a church in NC a few years ago and addressed this very issue helping folks to understand the jw culture

for example i asked how many of you know a person who may have decided to no longer attend a certain denomnation and instead decided to attend another denomnnation?

by a show of handes almost everyone knew of a cousins, brother, relative, co-worker who decided to leave where they were and go to another church.
then i asked the question

How did you treat them, how did their family who remained treat them, how did thier coworkers treat them if they attended the same church.

Then i explained to them how a jw who had been Friends for 30yrs deicded to joine another church and this friend at that point NO LONGER WOULD EVEN SPEAK TO THEM,- CITING THE WT ARTICLES
NOT EVEN SAYING HELLO is considered too much

most nonjw have no idea about the INNNER CULTURE OF A JW

see it is this type of information that nonjw see and realize that jw are literally a HIgh control group. Because your best friend goes to anothe church other than yours means you can't have him cross the sill of your home, or you would not even speak to him in Pigglye Wiggley

when a group of folks accept the published works of the WT editorial staff of Ghost Writers and their explanation, over a friend of 30yrs, it speaks volume

The wt writers have very skilllfully i might add, linked rejection of their uninspired explanation to the REJECTION OF GOD

during one of my Pych classes the professor explained in great detail to my wife and i after class the importance of linking and making a correlation between the published works of the WT editorial staff and God himself.
if asked the jw will deny they follow the writings of the wt editorial staff, yet by their actions which is the most important thing we see they do

in fact lock step, 7 mill jw believe in A on monday as THE TRUTH, WHEN the wt EDitorial staff publishes something on Wed that is the opposite of A, 7 million readers of this publication fall in lock step

mind you thaAt they were given all the bible text to support the position of A and took it to billions of homes, now with the stroke of a pen a group of unknown ghost writers have reversed something they called the TRUTH ON MONDAY and by Thursday it is NO LONGER THE TRUTH AND NO ONE, EVEN BOTHERS TO ASK -- What????

yes making the correlation between what they publish and God as being on the same level has been and will always be the key to high control groups
Beowulf

Pueblo, CO

#18 Jun 12, 2011
Type in "Jehovah's Witnesses disassociation letters" into a Google search, and you will see that many leave after they finally wake up an see they are being lied to.

I believe another poster, on another forum, labeled these, and the ones who know there are incorrect teachings, but still stay in the religion, as: "The Conscious Class."

Funny.
mike

São José Dos Campos, Brazil

#19 Jun 12, 2011
jace wrote:
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Over the years jw have literally linked the Writings of the WT Editorial staff with ones relationship with God.
I spoke at a church in NC a few years ago and addressed this very issue helping folks to understand the jw culture
for example i asked how many of you know a person who may have decided to no longer attend a certain denomnation and instead decided to attend another denomnnation?
by a show of handes almost everyone knew of a cousins, brother, relative, co-worker who decided to leave where they were and go to another church.
then i asked the question
How did you treat them, how did their family who remained treat them, how did thier coworkers treat them if they attended the same church.
Then i explained to them how a jw who had been Friends for 30yrs deicded to joine another church and this friend at that point NO LONGER WOULD EVEN SPEAK TO THEM,- CITING THE WT ARTICLES
NOT EVEN SAYING HELLO is considered too much
most nonjw have no idea about the INNNER CULTURE OF A JW
see it is this type of information that nonjw see and realize that jw are literally a HIgh control group. Because your best friend goes to anothe church other than yours means you can't have him cross the sill of your home, or you would not even speak to him in Pigglye Wiggley
when a group of folks accept the published works of the WT editorial staff of Ghost Writers and their explanation, over a friend of 30yrs, it speaks volume
The wt writers have very skilllfully i might add, linked rejection of their uninspired explanation to the REJECTION OF GOD
during one of my Pych classes the professor explained in great detail to my wife and i after class the importance of linking and making a correlation between the published works of the WT editorial staff and God himself.
if asked the jw will deny they follow the writings of the wt editorial staff, yet by their actions which is the most important thing we see they do
in fact lock step, 7 mill jw believe in A on monday as THE TRUTH, WHEN the wt EDitorial staff publishes something on Wed that is the opposite of A, 7 million readers of this publication fall in lock step
mind you thaAt they were given all the bible text to support the position of A and took it to billions of homes, now with the stroke of a pen a group of unknown ghost writers have reversed something they called the TRUTH ON MONDAY and by Thursday it is NO LONGER THE TRUTH AND NO ONE, EVEN BOTHERS TO ASK -- What????
yes making the correlation between what they publish and God as being on the same level has been and will always be the key to high control groups
The JW culture is indeed unknown to many people.
I thought they were just about the same as any other religion.
I myself didn't know what it was all about until my wife got involved with them.

Of course we had many problems and I didn't know how to deal with it. That is until I ran across some ex-JWs who gave me invaluable insight and advise on how to deal with the situation.

My situation had a happy ending. But I realize other situations are not so happy.
red blood relative

United States

#20 Jun 12, 2011
Beowulf wrote:
Type in "Jehovah's Witnesses disassociation letters" into a Google search, and you will see that many leave after they finally wake up an see they are being lied to.
I believe another poster, on another forum, labeled these, and the ones who know there are incorrect teachings, but still stay in the religion, as: "The Conscious Class."
Funny.
i don't understand that class.... i mean i can see falling away without saying anything, so you can still be friends with your family, but sticking with it?.... some of them even go door to door recruiting..... how can they do that with a clean consciense?

yuk, once i saw through it, i just couldn't sit there anymore listening to some haughty brother give a nice upbuilding talk by condemning all of christianity... yuk... it was over.

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