Hardest doctrine for WTBTS supporters...

Hardest doctrine for WTBTS supporters to defend?

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Since: May 09

Chicago, IL

#1 Dec 30, 2013
Hello everyone,

What is the hardest WTBTS doctrine to defend?
1) Christ's resurrection as a spirit creature;
2) 1914 / 607BC;
3) Blood policy;
4) Christ is Michael is Abaddon is Apollyon;
5) Baptism into an organization;

Are there any others?

Peace,
Bob

“EXPOSING CHURCHianity!”

Since: Oct 07

Seattle, WA

#2 Dec 30, 2013
First 4 easy (minus Revelation, which none completely understand)

5 is warped- from BOTH sides. We baptize into God and Christ, but toss in the Almighty Org!

So only PART of 5 is true.

Together its one out of 5- better than USUAL PassingGas!
art

London, UK

#3 Dec 30, 2013
PassingTheTest wrote:
Hello everyone,
What is the hardest WTBTS doctrine to defend?
1) Christ's resurrection as a spirit creature;
2) 1914 / 607BC;
3) Blood policy;
4) Christ is Michael is Abaddon is Apollyon;
5) Baptism into an organization;
Are there any others?
Peace,
Bob
Yeah Rutherford "Never touched a Drop".
jace

Bethesda, MD

#4 Dec 30, 2013
PassingTheTest wrote:
Hello everyone,
What is the hardest WTBTS doctrine to defend?
1) Christ's resurrection as a spirit creature;
2) 1914 / 607BC;
3) Blood policy;
4) Christ is Michael is Abaddon is Apollyon;
5) Baptism into an organization;
Are there any others?
Peace,
Bob
8 Guys in NYC-(OK upstate NY) speak for God for anyone who doesn't agree with them God himself will personal put you to death for not listening to 8 guys who overseer Publishing outfit

you got to be kiddding

“EXPOSING CHURCHianity!”

Since: Oct 07

Seattle, WA

#5 Dec 30, 2013
What nonsense. But that's churchoids for you!
Tao itness

United States

#6 Dec 30, 2013
the watchtower claims that Jesus is only the mediator for The Anointed remnant. They also have suggested that many of those that partake are doing so wrongly. It seems as if the only ones that witnesses can trust are truly anointed and thus have Christ as their mediator are the governing body. But what do the scriptures say?
The following Scriptures discuss the requirement for all to have forgiveness of sins and make no mention that the covenant is limited to just the priests but is available to all.

Acts 13:38-39 "Let it therefore be known to YOU, brothers, that through this One a forgiveness of sins is being published to YOU; 39 and that from all the things from which YOU could not be declared guiltless by means of the law of Moses, everyone who believes is declared guiltless by means of this One."
Hebrews 9:15, 28 "So that is why he is a mediator of a new covenant,... 28so also the Christ was offered once for all time to bear the sins of many; and the second time that he appears it will be apart from sin and to those earnestly looking for him for [their] salvation."
Romans 3:21-30 "But now apart from law God's righteousness has been made manifest, as it is borne witness to by the Law and the Prophets; 22 yes, God's righteousness through the faith in Jesus Christ, for all those having faith. For there is no distinction. 23 For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and it is as a free gift that they are being declared righteous by his undeserved kindness through the release by the ransom [paid] by Christ Jesus.... 29 Or is he the God of the Jews only? Is he not also of people of the nations? Yes, of people of the nations also."
Ephesians 1:7 "By means of him we have the release by ransom through the blood of that one, yes, the forgiveness of [our] trespasses, according to the riches of his undeserved kindness."
Romans 6:23 "For the wages sin pays is death, but the gift God gives is everlasting life by Christ Jesus our Lord."
Hebrews 7:25 "Consequently he is able also to save completely those who are approaching God through him, because he is always alive to plead for them."
Hebrews 8:10-12 "'For this is the covenant that I shall covenant with the house of Israel after those days,' says Jehovah.'I will put my laws in their mind, and in their hearts I shall write them. And I will become their God, and they themselves will become my people. 11 "'And they will by no means teach each one his fellow citizen and each one his brother, saying: "Know Jehovah!" For they will all know me, from [the] least one to [the] greatest one of them. 12 For I shall be merciful to their unrighteous deeds, and I shall by no means call their sins to mind anymore.'"
I have posted these scriptures several times with out one response from the watchtower defenders as to how they can reconcile their teaching with the Bible. Once again watchtower defenders here is your chance!
Thirdwitness

United States

#7 Dec 30, 2013
jace wrote:
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8 Guys in NYC-(OK upstate NY) speak for God for anyone who doesn't agree with them God himself will personal put you to death for not listening to 8 guys who overseer Publishing outfit
you got to be kiddding
Do I need to listen to Jace on this subject? I disagree with Jace totally.

What will happen to me?
little lamb

South Yarra, Australia

#8 Dec 30, 2013
" test the inspired expression and see if it comes from God'

Then Jesus says ' he who loves me will obey my commandments'
jace

United States

#9 Dec 30, 2013
Thirdwitness wrote:
<quoted text>Do I need to listen to Jace on this subject? I disagree with Jace totally.

What will happen to me?
Pretty much the same thing as not listening to 8 guys in NY

NOTHING!!!!

Despite billions of uninspired pamphlets claiming otherwise

Since: Oct 10

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#10 Dec 30, 2013
Thirdwitness wrote:
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Do I need to listen to Jace on this subject? I disagree with Jace totally.
What will happen to me?
you will continue to remain ignorant.

And go tell your elders that you are here posting with apostates and see the law of the GB come down on you.

Have you repented for your disobedience of the law of your GB and taken your blogs down!

Commenting on whether there is a need for our brothers to create such Web sites, Our Kingdom Ministry, November 1997, page 3, stated:“There is no need for any individual to prepare Internet pages about Jehovah’s Witnesses, our activities, or our beliefs. Our official site [www.watchtower.org] presents accurate information for any who want it.”
man_711

Santa Maria, CA

#11 Dec 30, 2013
the Mad JW wrote:
What nonsense. But that's churchoids for you!
Amazing that they ignore their own churches doctrines that are non biblical.
jace

Floyd, VA

#13 Dec 30, 2013
man_711 wrote:
<quoted text>Amazing that they ignore their own churches doctrines that are non biblical.
Yea point well but the problem is the wt does the same thing

Lots of dogma that Jw were told were DOA the day they came off the press Jw ignored it if someone brought it to their attention

Yet Jw spend billion of hours and billions of tracts to bring to folks attention they have some wrong dogmas

Double standards

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#14 Dec 30, 2013
jace wrote:
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Yea point well but the problem is the wt does the same thing
Lots of dogma that Jw were told were DOA the day they came off the press Jw ignored it if someone brought it to their attention
Yet Jw spend billion of hours and billions of tracts to bring to folks attention they have some wrong dogmas
Double standards
"Yet Jw spend billion of hours and billions of tracts to bring to folks attention they have some wrong dogmas"

ROF, now this is a classic!!
Passerby

Edna, TX

#15 Dec 30, 2013
Thirdwitness wrote:
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Do I need to listen to Jace on this subject? I disagree with Jace totally.
What will happen to me?
you will be more brainwashed by the Watchtower.
jace

Clinton, MD

#16 Dec 30, 2013
array wrote:
<quoted text>"Yet Jw spend billion of hours and billions of tracts to bring to folks attention they have some wrong dogmas"
ROF, now this is a classic!!
its like they never learn

Since: Jun 13

Location hidden

#17 Dec 30, 2013
I find the jw's have a really hard time defending their no blood transfusion doctrine.

No matter how much it is proven that they are taking scriptures out of context on this issue, they continue to defend using scripture to authorize suicide and/or forcing dr. assisted suicide.
jace

Clinton, MD

#18 Dec 30, 2013
Matt9969 wrote:
I find the jw's have a really hard time defending their no blood transfusion doctrine.

No matter how much it is proven that they are taking scriptures out of context on this issue, they continue to defend using scripture to authorize suicide and/or forcing dr. assisted suicide.
When it was no whole blood and NOTHING DERIVED FROM BLOOD

Even if you didn't agree with the interpretation at least they could say Acts says abstain from blood

But when the wt editorial staff made the decision to create approved list and unapproved list and various fractions could move from one list to the other like magic

Now that is sad

Your wife's died cause her fraction was on the wrong list

The elders wife lives cause her fraction 3 weeks later was on the new improved list from God

Lol

“Paradise Earth”

Since: Sep 11

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#19 Dec 30, 2013
jace wrote:
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8 Guys in NYC-(OK upstate NY) speak for God for anyone who doesn't agree with them God himself will personal put you to death for not listening to 8 guys who overseer Publishing outfit
you got to be kiddding
Jace, when YOU spread the good news in your ministry, why will happen to those who REJECT what you tell them?

“Paradise Earth”

Since: Sep 11

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#20 Dec 30, 2013
CORRECTION:
jace wrote:
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8 Guys in NYC-(OK upstate NY) speak for God for anyone who doesn't agree with them God himself will personal put you to death for not listening to 8 guys who overseer Publishing outfit
you got to be kiddding
Jace, when YOU spread the 'good news' in your ministry, what will happen to those who REJECT what you tell them?

“Paradise Earth”

Since: Sep 11

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#21 Dec 30, 2013
PassingTheTest wrote:
1) Christ's resurrection as a spirit creature;
Explicitly stated in scripture.
PassingTheTest wrote:
2) 1914 / 607BC;
Easily calculated from the Bible and WELL SUPPORTED archaeological data.
PassingTheTest wrote:
3) Blood policy;
Explicitly stated in the Bible.
PassingTheTest wrote:
4) Christ is Michael is Abaddon is Apollyon;
Easily proved from scripture.
PassingTheTest wrote:
5) Baptism into an organization;
Easily proved from scripture.

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