Who is the man accused of murdering Whitney Heichel?

Oct 24, 2012 Full story: KBCI CBS 2 344

New details are emerging about the man accused of sexually abusing and then shooting a young woman to death in a crime that has shocked the community.

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#315 Nov 14, 2012
MixedMedia wrote:
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You again try to dissuade HIM being
A regular/brother. Known facts are that he was married in the hall. If you have 'just been' to the hall you don't get to be married there.
And again I say there was nothing wrong with her giving him the ride.
Yes he is not reliable, but at this point he has no reason to lie. It does not make sense that he would have risked being seen pulling a gun prior to being in the car. He may have as a last resort if she had refused the ride, but that too is not likely. She had no reason to refuse, she saw him as a brother regardless of how often he had been recently attending.
No matter how many times I say that it is a fact that he was a Witness, had not been disfellowshipped, you people keep saying that I don't want to admit he was a Witness that Whitney would have recognized. You are wearing yourselves out arguing something that no one has denied.

It is also a fact that he was an "irregular attender" at the meetings. The brother who spoke for the congregation said so. His wife was a sister and was a regular attender at the meetings, but he was not a regular attender for quite some time. He had been in good standing at the time of his marriage but was an "irregular attender" at the time of his crime.

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#316 Nov 14, 2012
Nedoba wrote:
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Many of us have experienced the same problem with EE over the years of posting here....she is a master at just what you have said she does.
It has become a "given" that she will make mountains from molehills and insert half-truths of her own making into whatever you chose to write.
She not only ENJOYS these confrontations but THRIVES on them as well. In the words of Clint Eastwood...they "make her day" to get anyone to reply to her goading and provoking.
This is typical EE behavior and has been that way ever since I came onto this forum.
I had planned on sending this post in a more private setting but I see that you don't accept any messages...and I am also eager to see if she answers your last question in 'a clear and comprehensive'(tm) manner so that all can understand, LOL!
Thank you for the information. Iwill change my setting to allow messages. I set it like that when I saw how vicious some people were in this forum, but if I get any nonsense, well I know how to use the delete key!

Yes, I have seen how she works, she will argue over anything, just for the sake of arguing. I will stop responding to it, any rational person can see she just makes things up and has mental issues. I don't really care if she responds anyway, I have said my piece. I am pretty sick of this whole thread anyway. Until there are developments in the case it's just the same people making the same arguments.

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#317 Nov 14, 2012
eagleeye2 wrote:
<quoted text>No matter how many times I say that it is a fact that he was a Witness, had not been disfellowshipped, you people keep saying that I don't want to admit he was a Witness that Whitney would have recognized. You are wearing yourselves out arguing something that no one has denied.

It is also a fact that he was an "irregular attender" at the meetings. The brother who spoke for the congregation said so. His wife was a sister and was a regular attender at the meetings, but he was not a regular attender for quite some time. He had been in good standing at the time of his marriage but was an "irregular attender" at the time of his crime.
Ok, i get it, but I think it is statements like this that make people think what they think.

"Whitney was not wrong to give him a ride, even if he was not a regular attender at the Kingdom Hall. "

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#318 Nov 14, 2012
acrobat wrote:
<quoted text>Well no, he admitted it to police.

But, did anyone know prior to this admission? This is a highly speculative what if, but what if he had been previously reproved for it?
To be honest if he had been reproved for the porn, I still don't see that giving them the idea he could commit murder.

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#319 Nov 14, 2012
eagleeye2 wrote:
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It is also a fact that he was an "irregular attender" at the meetings. The brother who spoke for the congregation said so. His wife was a sister and was a regular attender at the meetings, but he was not a regular attender for quite some time. He had been in good standing at the time of his marriage but was an "irregular attender" at the time of his crime.
To be sure, whether or not he was an irregular attender or not is not going to be at issue at trial, if there even is one.

There's lots of ways to determine how involved he was, though..

- field service reports, publishers card
- sound department master schedule
- talk assignments (if any) in the Ministry School
- some brothers/elders even use computer apps (Android, even!) to keep track of the goings on..

But again, probably not relevant at trial..
Pam

Bakersfield, CA

#320 Nov 14, 2012
eagleeye2 wrote:
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I believe it because Whitney's family said it. Now all of you anti-Witnesses want to even go to the disgusting extent of accusing Whitney's relatives of being liars. My loyalty is with my brothers and sisters, always.
I have no thoughts about what makes Witnesses look good or bad. That is all in the minds of you who want to use this tragedy for your fight against our religion. Jehovah is our judge and that is all I ever think about, not what others think.
It is not possible for the world to think well of Jehovah's people. The world is fond of what is its own, as Jesus said. Jesus told us not to expect to be well thought of by the world.
You have to answer to Jehovah for the way you are using this terrible thing.
Actyually the fact is YOPU nmade JW's look bad and noone else.
Because you keep saying you will stick to what the relatives say, the JW's over what the perp told police when he confessed to the murder.
YOU have made it a big deal and drawn the line about JW's verses anti JW's.
Good job EE, you have once again proven why your leaders advise all JW's to stay out of these forums. You bring reproach and disgrace to innocent people once again.
Prime

United States

#321 Nov 14, 2012
MixedMedia wrote:
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To be honest if he had been reproved for the porn, I still don't see that giving them the idea he could commit murder.
Wrong! According to EE, she said porn leads straight to murder!

LOL! I wonder if she wishes she hadn't said that now?

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#322 Nov 14, 2012
Pam wrote:
<quoted text>Actyually the fact is YOPU nmade JW's look bad and noone else.
Because you keep saying you will stick to what the relatives say, the JW's over what the perp told police when he confessed to the murder.
YOU have made it a big deal and drawn the line about JW's verses anti JW's.
Good job EE, you have once again proven why your leaders advise all JW's to stay out of these forums. You bring reproach and disgrace to innocent people once again.
If he is not to be trusted maybe he lied when he said he killed her. Hey just sayin'

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#323 Nov 14, 2012
MixedMedia wrote:
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To be honest if he had been reproved for the porn, I still don't see that giving them the idea he could commit murder.
It doesn't need to. Child pornography is a criminal offense in Oregon, and the reporting of it is mandatory.
Florida Sunshine

Jacksonville, FL

#324 Nov 14, 2012
eagleeye2 wrote:
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Yes, do see if you can lead a HATE EE session today. That is your second favorite thing to do (after praising yourself), and you have been all over the forum trying to start one without success for several days now. Maybe this is your day. Show us your stuff! Maybe you can even fan it into a riot. LOL!
Your a WITCH...PLAIN & SIMPLE..
Florida Sunshine

Jacksonville, FL

#326 Nov 14, 2012
SOS wrote:
<quoted text>actually,
Witches are smarter than her and do not push their loved ones too suicide.
Stop insulting witches please.
Your right ,Put a "B"in place of the "W"..I am sorry...lol.lol.

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#327 Nov 14, 2012
Prime wrote:
<quoted text>Wrong! According to EE, she said porn leads straight to murder!

LOL! I wonder if she wishes she hadn't said that now?
She did say that.
hMMMM

Aurora, IL

#328 Nov 14, 2012
eagleeye2 wrote:
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No matter how many times I say that it is a fact that he was a Witness, had not been disfellowshipped, you people keep saying that I don't want to admit he was a Witness that Whitney would have recognized. You are wearing yourselves out arguing something that no one has denied.
It is also a fact that he was an "irregular attender" at the meetings. The brother who spoke for the congregation said so. His wife was a sister and was a regular attender at the meetings, but he was not a regular attender for quite some time. He had been in good standing at the time of his marriage but was an "irregular attender" at the time of his crime.
Exactly what crime??
Seems that the pedophile Jonathan Holt was a wonderful Jehovah's Witness brother "in good standing", such good standing he was a ministerial servant.
That was UNTIL he stole a rental car and the authorities got involved.
Obviously a man unraveling, so the "counsel" of the JWs was to simply judge and shun him, not hospitilize him or anything.
That wonderful program, just sped up Brother Holt's quick descent into insanity where he fulfilled his pedophilia, and his rape/murder fantasies.
Yes, the Jehovah's witness counsel he got from the elders assured that a beautiful young woman was brutally assaulted and murdered, and that for sure, more than one child at the Kingdumb Hall was a victim of sexual assault by the Ministerial Servant, Brother Holt.
hMMMM

Aurora, IL

#329 Nov 14, 2012
Prime wrote:
<quoted text>Wrong! According to EE, she said porn leads straight to murder!
LOL! I wonder if she wishes she hadn't said that now?
I can guarantee there is a stronger link of being exposed to the Jehovah's witness teachings of the WBTS and being a pedophile, than watching porn and murder.
UNchained

Maryville, TN

#330 Nov 14, 2012
eagleeye2 wrote:
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It is also a fact that he was an "irregular attender" at the meetings. The brother who spoke for the congregation said so.
Of course the brother said that Brother Holt was an "irregular attender" at the meetings.

There is no way he was going to tell the media that Brother Holt is a typical nutjob JW who had child porn on his computer's hard drive and was so demonised that he abducted and molested another member of the Troutdale, Oregon congregation of JW's.

If he told the truth no one would agree to 'study' the bible with any Jehovah's Witness.

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#331 Nov 14, 2012
eagleeye2 wrote:
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Here is just the first one I found by googling "pornography crime link."
http://www.fightthenewdrug.org/science/articl...
If you really care, you can do your own research. And if you watch many real-life crime shows on television, you will see the pornography link revealed over and over..
never seen that in the WT interestingly you are quoting from a worldy source.

The warnings against pornography which is obviously a huge problem among JW, as nearly ever WT study article has a paragraph warning against porography and the spiritual dangers, every DC every CA they mention pornography, this is food at the proper time according to the FDS, so are you saying that their are heaps of potential murders sitting in the KH, LOOK OUT!!

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#332 Nov 15, 2012
eagleeye2 wrote:
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It is also a fact that he was an "irregular attender" at the meetings. The brother who spoke for the congregation said so..
gee, well that makes it a fact.... the jw pr rep who is trying to play it down "said so".

one thing i've noticed, and i hope judges start figuring this out, is that no matter what position the accused jw is in, even if he just gave the sunday talk yesterday, the second the police get involved he is either not a jw, or is inactive, or quit attending meetings long ago, and no one hardly remembers him.

all their suicide statistics go that way too, and divorce statistics, and teenage run away statistics.... murder and rape statistics too.... its called theocratic warfare, witholding the truth from those who don't deserve to know.

they do that with all their statistics.... thats why i don't believe there are 7 million active jws...... jws have been in decline for quite a while already, but for pr reasons, the jw gov body decide its best to claim an increase.
nothing they say is reliable.

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#333 Nov 15, 2012
red blood relative wrote:
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gee, well that makes it a fact.... the jw pr rep who is trying to play it down "said so".

one thing i've noticed, and i hope judges start figuring this out, is that no matter what position the accused jw is in, even if he just gave the sunday talk yesterday, the second the police get involved he is either not a jw, or is inactive, or quit attending meetings long ago, and no one hardly remembers him.

all their suicide statistics go that way too, and divorce statistics, and teenage run away statistics.... murder and rape statistics too.... its called theocratic warfare, witholding the truth from those who don't deserve to know.

they do that with all their statistics.... thats why i don't believe there are 7 million active jws...... jws have been in decline for quite a while already, but for pr reasons, the jw gov body decide its best to claim an increase.
nothing they say is reliable.
It is human nature to try and minimize the less-than-glamorous features of anything we are hoping to promote to others, but the WTS (erroneously) prides itself on BEING "the truth" abocve all others and PRESENTING THEMSELVES TO THE WORLD as "the truth".....

so that they have the responsibility and the obligation NOT to be hiding the pertinent facts and data when it comes to their religion.

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#334 Nov 15, 2012
http://portlandtribune.com/pt/9-news/123173-j...

Wow. 2014?? There's that many murderers in Oregon awaiting trial?
Hoodwinked

Homeland, CA

#335 Nov 15, 2012
acrobat wrote:
http://portlandtribune.com/pt/ 9-news/123173-jonathan-holt-tr ial-set-for-2014
Wow. 2014?? There's that many murderers in Oregon awaiting trial?
It always seems to take at least 2 years to get to trial..I'll be shocked if it happens in April of 2014, my guess would be later that year.
The legal process is a very slow moving one.

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