Who are Christ's "Brothers"?

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Sep 3, 2010
 
(Mark 3:35). . .WHOEVER DOES THE WILL OF GOD, this one is my brother and sister and mother.”

(Matthew 25:40). . .And in reply the king will say to them,‘Truly I say to YOU, To the extent that YOU did it to one of the least of these my brothers, YOU did it to me.’

Do not the "other sheep", the so called "great crowd" do the will of the God? If so, YOU ARE CHRIST'S BROTHER!

The "brothers" in the parable of the sheep and the goats are therefore not just the "anointed" as Witnesses would have you believe.
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Sep 6, 2010
 
Another follow up point:

Why do the sheep ask the master the question they do?

This parable destroys JW theology.

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Jesus referred to the "Anointed" as the Little Flock...however he said I have Other Sheep who are not of this fold, them also I must bring. The Brothers he is referring to, in Matthew are the Anointed. Cancels out your theory I am inclined to say.

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Jesus referred to the "Anointed" as the Little Flock...however he said I have Other Sheep who are not of this fold, them also I must bring. The Brothers he is referring to, in Matthew are the Anointed. Cancels out your theory I am inclined to say.
Of course. Just as many things must be taken in context, so also is the discussion of who are Christ's "brothers." While we agree that Christ's brothers are generally the ones selected to be among those of the figurative bride in heaven, just as you mentioned, Nomi, there is one flock with one shepherd. Yet in a similar vein, Jesus spoke of John the Baptist, who was the greatest of all those born of women, yet was not as great as those in the kingdom of the heavens. Matthew 11:11 - "I tell you the truth: Among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet he who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he." Everything in context.
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Of course. Just as many things must be taken in context, so also is the discussion of who are Christ's "brothers." While we agree that Christ's brothers are generally the ones selected to be among those of the figurative bride in heaven, just as you mentioned, Nomi, there is one flock with one shepherd. Yet in a similar vein, Jesus spoke of John the Baptist, who was the greatest of all those born of women, yet was not as great as those in the kingdom of the heavens. Matthew 11:11 - "I tell you the truth: Among those born of women there has not risen anyone greater than John the Baptist; yet he who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he." Everything in context.
regarding john, i would guess that jesus was talking about the bride of christ after the marriage, as they receive supernatural abilities to handle their responsibilites.
the reason i say that is cause john must have been quite a prophet, to out do all the other prophets, yet not all of those called, while in this life, outperform john or all the other prophets of old....... what do you think?
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Jesus referred to the "Anointed" as the Little Flock...however he said I have Other Sheep who are not of this fold, them also I must bring. The Brothers he is referring to, in Matthew are the Anointed. Cancels out your theory I am inclined to say.
The anointed were a "little flock" at the time, but are not called as such because there's a small number of them.

Moreover, Christ said his brothers were the ones who do the will of God. Do you have to be an anointed to do the will of God?
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Well does anyone believe Gods Word at all???

Ephesians 1 [13] But YOU also hoped in him , after you heard the word of truth , the good news of your salvation . by means of him after you believed you were sealed with the promised holy spirit"

So lets see why wouldn't anyone be 'sealed', yes UNBELIEF. Unbelievers are not sealed.

2 Corinthians 1 [21] But he who guarantees that you and we belong to Christ and he who has anointed us is God"

I believe Gods word... and any who are not anointed, don't belong to Christ, because they don't believe the word that tells them these things...

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Gods will is that we accept Jesus as the ransom sacrifice for sins and live a Christian life to the best of our imperfect ability. How many on earth are doing that right now?

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Gods will is that we accept Jesus as the ransom sacrifice for sins and live a Christian life to the best of our imperfect ability. How many on earth are doing that right now?
Not the bigots and racists!

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Gods will is that we accept Jesus as the ransom sacrifice for sins and live a Christian life to the best of our imperfect ability. How many on earth are doing that right now?
there are others as you would agree that are not JW doing that, and their are some JW not doing that to.
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Brainiac2 wrote:
Gods will is that we accept Jesus as the ransom sacrifice for sins and live a Christian life to the best of our imperfect ability. How many on earth are doing that right now?
jws think the organization russel started is the christ, so they accept it as their mediator and ransom sacrifice.
they call it "the truth".

then they reject christ publicly at the memorial, and claim they do that out of respect for him......meanwhile, satan and all his chief angels laugh their arses off as they run the trap..... matt 24;24
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(Mark 3:35). . .WHOEVER DOES THE WILL OF GOD, this one is my brother and sister and mother.”
(Matthew 25:40). . .And in reply the king will say to them,‘Truly I say to YOU, To the extent that YOU did it to one of the least of these my brothers, YOU did it to me.’
Do not the "other sheep", the so called "great crowd" do the will of the God? If so, YOU ARE CHRIST'S BROTHER!
The "brothers" in the parable of the sheep and the goats are therefore not just the "anointed" as Witnesses would have you believe.
The brothers of Christ are those who have been adopted by the Father. Jesus, of course, is the Only son of God, but Jehovah adopts 144,000 others through Christ, making them sons of God the same as Christ. After the final sealing the remnant of Christ's brothers who remain on the earth will be revealed. Paul spoke of the revealing of the sons of God. Those who do good to the sons of God receive the blessing. Those who do not are cursed.

http://e-watchman.com/jehovah/chapter-5-the-p...

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Not the bigots and racists!
The Obama supporting piece of shit talks! Amazing. I could have sworn that turds were mute!

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Major Attitude Problem!
Black Racism
Rampant In America
By John Perazzo
(Excerpted)
9-27-7
.... a gang of perhaps 30 black teenagers brutally assaulted three white women -- 21-year-old Laura Schneider, 19-year-old Michelle Smith, and 19-year-old Loren Hyman -- in the Bixby Knolls section of Long Beach, California. Hyman suffered 13 facial fractures that required extensive facial reconstruction surgery. Schneider suffered a concussion after one of the attackers yelled a racial slur at her, smashed a skateboard against her head, and continued beating her after she was already unconscious. In February 2007 the four main perpetrators, all of whom were aged 16 to 17 at the time of the attack, were each sentenced to serve a mere 60 days of house arrest -- which they were permitted to break in order to attend school and church -- and 250 hours of community service. The judge also ordered the lead attacker to attend an eight-week racial tolerance program at the Simon Wiesenthal Center. Not much of a penalty for crimes that could easily have resulted in a death or two. And of course the ACLU, NAACP, Sharpton, and Jackson were nowhere to be seen or heard.

Black Racism - Disturbingly Widespread In America

There is a larger issue at play, however, apart from whatever penalties the juvenile justice system metes out. That is the issue of black racism, a disturbingly widespread phenomenon in contemporary America. This phenomenon explains why tens of thousands of protesters willingly traveled long distances to stage a show of support for a pack of thugs who had indisputably perpetrated a brutally violent attack against a white person. It explains why they focused exclusively on defending the "rights" of those attackers, rather than on condemning the wrong they had done. And it explains why they chose to portray a group of raging predators as the 'innocent, misunderstood victims' of modern America's allegedly boundless bigotry.

Black racism also accounts for the fact that the vast majority of interracial violent crimes are of the black-on-white variety (90% of race crime victims are WHITE -ed), and that statistically the "average" black is many times more likely (50 times -ed) to attack a white, than vice versa. While not all interracial crimes are motivated by racial animosities, many of them -- like this recently videotaped gang assault in Viriginia -- certainly are.

But why should black racism be prevalent in America at this comparatively late stage in our nation's evolution -- long after the rise of equal-opportunity mandates, affirmative action policies, civil rights advances, and the stigmatization of racism to the point where "racist" is by far the epithet most feared by whites, be they political figures, business leaders, clergy, academics, or social commentators?

It's actually quite simple. Black racism remains a dynamic phenomenon because African Americans have been told, ad nauseum, by "civil rights leaders" and by leftist whites in influential organizations like the ACLU, to look outside of themselves for the roots of every ill that plagues their community; to reflexively blame white society for their problems rather than to take responsibility for their own lives; and to view themselves as the oppressed and powerless victims of a white "power structure,"
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... black Americans have become angry, embittered racists themselves. They are among the legions who, in the words of black columnist Michael Meyers, zealously "transform themselves into the apostles of their own delusions."
http://www.rense.com/general78/blakcr.htm
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What brand of beer or whiskey was the favorite of Judge Rutherford?

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Warren Zebulon wrote:
What brand of beer or whiskey was the favorite of Judge Rutherford?
Maybe the brand you are drinking right now? LOL
But seriously, is there a rumor that the judge had alcoholic problems?
Never heard that before.

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Brainiac2 wrote:
Major Attitude Problem!
Black Racism
Rampant In America
.... a gang of perhaps 30 black teenagers brutally assaulted three white women -- 21-year-old Laura Schneider, 19-year-old Michelle Smith, and 19-year-old Loren Hyman -- in the Bixby Knolls section of Long Beach, California. Hyman suffered 13 facial fractures that required extensive facial reconstruction surgery. Schneider suffered a concussion after one of the attackers yelled a racial slur at her, smashed a skateboard against her head, and continued beating her after she was already unconscious. In February 2007 the four main perpetrators, all of whom were aged 16 to 17 at the time of the attack, were each sentenced to serve a mere 60 days of house arrest -- which they were permitted to break in order to attend school and church -- and 250 hours of community service. The judge also ordered the lead attacker to attend an eight-week racial tolerance program at the Simon Wiesenthal Center. Not much of a penalty for crimes that could easily have resulted in a death or two. And of course the ACLU, NAACP, Sharpton, and Jackson were nowhere to be seen or heard.
Black Racism - Disturbingly Widespread In America
There is a larger issue at play, however, apart from whatever penalties the juvenile justice system metes out. That is the issue of black racism, a disturbingly widespread phenomenon in contemporary America. This phenomenon explains why tens of thousands of protesters willingly traveled long distances to stage a show of support for a pack of thugs who had indisputably perpetrated a brutally violent attack against a white person. It explains why they focused exclusively on defending the "rights" of those attackers, rather than on condemning the wrong they had done. And it explains why they chose to portray a group of raging predators as the 'innocent, misunderstood victims' of modern America's allegedly boundless bigotry.
Black racism also accounts for the fact that the vast majority of interracial violent crimes are of the black-on-white variety (90% of race crime victims are WHITE -ed), and that statistically the "average" black is many times more likely (50 times -ed) to attack a white, than vice versa. While not all interracial crimes are motivated by racial animosities, many of them -- like this recently videotaped gang assault in Viriginia -- certainly are.
But why should black racism be prevalent in America at this comparatively late stage in our nation's evolution -- long after the rise of equal-opportunity mandates, affirmative action policies, civil rights advances, and the stigmatization of racism to the point where "racist" is by far the epithet most feared by whites, be they political figures, business leaders, clergy, academics, or social commentators?
It's actually quite simple. Black racism remains a dynamic phenomenon because African Americans have been told, ad nauseum, by "civil rights leaders" and by leftist whites in influential organizations like the ACLU, to look outside of themselves for the roots of every ill that plagues their community; to reflexively blame white society for their problems rather than to take responsibility for their own lives; and to view themselves as the oppressed and powerless victims of a white "power structure,"
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... black Americans have become angry, embittered racists themselves. They are among the legions who, in the words of black columnist Michael Meyers, zealously "transform themselves into the apostles of their own delusions."
http://www.rense.com/general78/blakcr.htm
This is true. Racism hurts, and it turns out to be exercised in subtle waya by adults who are more sophisticated and who may strive to be politically correct. Children, on the other hand, hardly are racists. They are willing and eager by their very natures, to explore, to make friends and to accept. As the song goes from the musical "South Pacific," "You Have to Be Carefully Taught." (The song was about racism.)

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Brainiac2 wrote:
Major Attitude Problem!
Black Racism
Rampant In America
By John Perazzo
.... a gang of perhaps 30 black teenagers brutally assaulted three white women -- 21-year-old Laura Schneider, 19-year-old Michelle Smith, and 19-year-old Loren Hyman -- in the Bixby Knolls section of Long Beach, California. Hyman suffered 13 facial fractures that required extensive facial reconstruction surgery. Schneider suffered a concussion after one of the attackers yelled a racial slur at her, smashed a skateboard against her head, and continued beating her after she was already unconscious. In February 2007 the four main perpetrators, all of whom were aged 16 to 17 at the time of the attack, were each sentenced to serve a mere 60 days of house arrest -- which they were permitted to break in order to attend school and church -- and 250 hours of community service....
Black Racism - Disturbingly Widespread In America
There is a larger issue at play, however, apart from whatever penalties the juvenile justice system metes out. That is the issue of black racism, a disturbingly widespread phenomenon in contemporary America. This phenomenon explains why tens of thousands of protesters willingly traveled long distances to stage a show of support for a pack of thugs who had indisputably perpetrated a brutally violent attack against a white person. It explains why they focused exclusively on defending the "rights" of those attackers, rather than on condemning the wrong they had done. And it explains why they chose to portray a group of raging predators as the 'innocent, misunderstood victims' of modern America's allegedly boundless bigotry.
Black racism also accounts for the fact that the vast majority of interracial violent crimes are of the black-on-white variety (90% of race crime victims are WHITE -ed), and that statistically the "average" black is many times more likely (50 times -ed) to attack a white, than vice versa. While not all interracial crimes are motivated by racial animosities, many of them -- like this recently videotaped gang assault in Viriginia --...
It's actually quite simple. Black racism remains a dynamic phenomenon because African Americans have been told, ad nauseum, by "civil rights leaders" and by leftist whites in influential organizations like the ACLU, to look outside of themselves for the roots of every ill that plagues their community; to reflexively blame white society for their problems rather than to take responsibility for their own lives; and to view themselves as the oppressed and powerless victims of a white "power structure,"
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... black Americans have become angry, embittered racists themselves. They are among the legions who, in the words of black columnist Michael Meyers, zealously "transform themselves into the apostles of their own delusions."
http://www.rense.com/general78/blakcr.htm
Yes, I have found this to be largely true, and disturbingly so. Children are not by nature racists, they grow up to be racists, adopt a racist attitude after cultivation by promoters of racism. "You Have To Be Carefully Taught," is a song about racism, from the musical "South Pacific." The words go something like this:(sung by a young man who fell in love with a Pacific Islander during WW2 when the Americans were stationed there, and how he found it soooo difficult, although he loved her, to form a lasting bond with her...) Worth watching the movie.

You've got to be taught
To hate and fear,
You've got to be taught
From year to year,

It's got to be drummed
In your dear little ear
You've got to be carefully taught.

You've got to be taught to be afraid
Of people whose eyes are oddly made,
And people whose skin is a diff'rent shade,
You've got to be carefully taught.

You've got to be taught before it's too late,
Before you are six or seven or eight,
To hate all the people your relatives hate,
You've got to be carefully taught!
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everything you wanted to know about Rutherford

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/best-of/77...

and then some

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People who constantly cry "racism!" while dishing it out enthusiastically themselves and expecting no reaction from their targets are scum! IMHO

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