Are the Watchtower publications infal...

Are the Watchtower publications infallible?

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Since: Jul 11

Portadown

#2 Dec 22, 2012
GNomi wrote:
I say yes. Everything they say is founded from the Bible, and written by Jehovah GOD'S annointed. So in this sense their writings have at least as much, if not more authority, then the scriptures themselves since they are the latest writings with the newest light. Even Christendom acknowledges this. They have never once made a mistake, always teaching what it presently true. What do you say? I realize this is a loaded question, but that's ok.
Is it really Nomi? You who accused me of posting lies!

Show us Nomi the Biblical foundation of this teaching of the watch tower then!

Only this organization functions for Jehovah's purpose and to his praise. To it alone God's Sacred Word, the Bible, is not a sealed book." Watchtower 1973 Jul 1 p.402

"However, the Governing Body are appointed through the holy spirit under the direction of Jehovah God and Jesus Christ." Watchtower 1990 Mar 15 p.18

Holy Bible foundation for this,Nomi please?

"Christ thus leads the congregation by means of the spirit-anointed "faithful and discreet slave" and its Governing Body." Examining the Scriptures Daily 2007 p.34

Holy Bible foundation for this,Nomi please?

Now NOMI! This one that i've been asking you for ever since you posted your satanic lie about me.

"To receive everlasting life in the earthly Paradise we must identify that organization and serve God as part of it." Watchtower 1983 Feb 15 p.12

Where can I find this teaching in the Holy Bible NOMI ????
YOU are the one that claims Everything they say is founded from the Bible, and written by Jehovah GOD'S annointed.

Show me where I can find this in the Holy Scriptures NOMI?
Show me YOU are not the one posting non Biblical teaching NOMI?
Show the watch tower YOU NOMI are not exposing them yet again NOMI?

More importantly Nomi,show God you are not lying.The watch tower teaches it is ok to lie.
God says in Revelation 21.
8. But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and........ALL LIARS,.... shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Show us you are not lying Nomi?

“Delivering the Gospel”

Since: Feb 09

Location hidden

#3 Dec 22, 2012
ouch! That's gonna leave a mark!

Since: Oct 10

Homebush, Australia

#4 Dec 22, 2012
No the WT publications are not infallable but don't dare disagree with them!

“Paradise Earth”

Since: Sep 11

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#5 Dec 22, 2012
rachel123 wrote:
<quoted text>
Is it really Nomi? You who accused me of posting lies!
Show us Nomi the Biblical foundation of this teaching of the watch tower then!
Only this organization functions for Jehovah's purpose and to his praise. To it alone God's Sacred Word, the Bible, is not a sealed book." Watchtower 1973 Jul 1 p.402
"However, the Governing Body are appointed through the holy spirit under the direction of Jehovah God and Jesus Christ." Watchtower 1990 Mar 15 p.18
Holy Bible foundation for this,Nomi please?
"Christ thus leads the congregation by means of the spirit-anointed "faithful and discreet slave" and its Governing Body." Examining the Scriptures Daily 2007 p.34
Holy Bible foundation for this,Nomi please?
Now NOMI! This one that i've been asking you for ever since you posted your satanic lie about me.
"To receive everlasting life in the earthly Paradise we must identify that organization and serve God as part of it." Watchtower 1983 Feb 15 p.12
Where can I find this teaching in the Holy Bible NOMI ????
YOU are the one that claims Everything they say is founded from the Bible, and written by Jehovah GOD'S annointed.
Show me where I can find this in the Holy Scriptures NOMI?
Show me YOU are not the one posting non Biblical teaching NOMI?
Show the watch tower YOU NOMI are not exposing them yet again NOMI?
More importantly Nomi,show God you are not lying.The watch tower teaches it is ok to lie.
God says in Revelation 21.
8. But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and........ALL LIARS,.... shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Show us you are not lying Nomi?
Nomi did not write that. Its either SOS or Spike.

I can't believe how gullible you people are. But I guess its not surprising considering how much nonsense you people swallow about Jehovah's Witnesses.

THE TRUTH ABOUT JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES:

Jehovah's Witnesses:
http://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/

Jehovah's Witnesses' publications:
http://www.jw.org/en/publications/

Jehovah's Witnesses' Bible teachings:
http://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/

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Since: May 11

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#7 Dec 23, 2012
GNomi wrote:
I say yes. Everything they say is founded from the Bible, and written by Jehovah GOD'S annointed. So in this sense their writings have at least as much, if not more authority, then the scriptures themselves since they are the latest writings with the newest light. Even Christendom acknowledges this. They have never once made a mistake, always teaching what it presently true. What do you say? I realize this is a loaded question, but that's ok.
Yes indeedy. Jehovah' spirit moved across the earth looking for a suitable place to base his spirit-directed organiZation.

Eventually he lit upon Brooklyn as a suitable place. For a while it was a toss-up between Bronx and Brooklyn or maybe even Queens, but in the end Brooklyn prevailed.

aadriver

Since: Aug 09

Bedfordshire, England

#8 Dec 23, 2012
Garath, practically everyone knows the post was not from Nomi. But she certainly feels that right or wrong they should be obeyed as do you.
Out of one side of their mouth they say they can mistakes, with the other they say they should be obeyed as they are Gods modern day mouthpiece, and now the FADS.

“Delivering the Gospel”

Since: Feb 09

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#9 Dec 23, 2012
Aneirin wrote:
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I can't believe how gullible you people are. But I guess its not surprising considering how much nonsense you people swallow about Jehovah's Witnesses.
Now that is FUNNY! Did you notice she was quoting wt publications with book and page #?

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#10 Dec 23, 2012
GNomi wrote:
I say yes. Everything they say is founded from the Bible, and written by Jehovah GOD'S annointed. So in this sense their writings have at least as much, if not more authority, then the scriptures themselves since they are the latest writings with the newest light.
Clearly satirical.

People fell for this? Crazy.

Since: Jul 11

Portadown

#11 Dec 27, 2012
Aneirin wrote:
<quoted text>
Nomi did not write that. Its either SOS or Spike.
I can't believe how gullible you people are. But I guess its not surprising considering how much nonsense you people swallow about Jehovah's Witnesses.
THE TRUTH ABOUT JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES:
Jehovah's Witnesses:
http://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/
Jehovah's Witnesses' publications:
http://www.jw.org/en/publications/
Jehovah's Witnesses' Bible teachings:
http://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/
Here is what I swallow Aneirin,which you call nonsense!

Deuteronomy 18.
22. When a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the thing follows not, nor comes to pass, that is, the thing which the LORD has not spoken, but the prophet has spoken it presumptuously: you shall not be afraid of him.

How gullible are you Aneirin? how much nonsense of the watch tower have you swallowed?
"So, does Jehovah have a prophet to help them, to warn them of dangers and to declare things to come?
IDENTIFYING THE "PROPHET"
These questions can be answered in the affirmative. Who is this prophet?... This "prophet" was not one man, but was a body of men and women. It was the small group of footstep followers of Jesus Christ, known at that time as International Bible Students. Today they are known as Jehovah's Christian witnesses.... Of course, it is easy to say that this group acts as a "prophet" of God. It is another thing to prove it. The only way that this can be done is to review the record. Thus this group of anointed followers of Jesus Christ, doing a work in Christendom paralleling Ezekiel's work among the Jews, were manifestly the modern-day Ezekiel, the "prophet" commissioned by Jehovah to declare the good news of God's Messianic kingdom and to give warning to Christendom." Watchtower 1972 Apr 1 pp.197-199 'They Shall Know that a Prophet Was Among Them'

Tell me ungullible one,where I can find this teaching in the Holy Scriptures?
To receive everlasting life in the earthly Paradise we must identify that organization and serve God as part of it." Watchtower 1983 Feb 15 p.12.

“Delivering the Gospel”

Since: Feb 09

Location hidden

#12 Dec 30, 2012
rachel123 wrote:
<quoted text>
Here is what I swallow Aneirin,which you call nonsense!
Deuteronomy 18.
22. When a prophet speaks in the name of the LORD, if the thing follows not, nor comes to pass, that is, the thing which the LORD has not spoken, but the prophet has spoken it presumptuously: you shall not be afraid of him.
How gullible are you Aneirin? how much nonsense of the watch tower have you swallowed?
"So, does Jehovah have a prophet to help them, to warn them of dangers and to declare things to come?
IDENTIFYING THE "PROPHET"
These questions can be answered in the affirmative. Who is this prophet?... This "prophet" was not one man, but was a body of men and women. It was the small group of footstep followers of Jesus Christ, known at that time as International Bible Students. Today they are known as Jehovah's Christian witnesses.... Of course, it is easy to say that this group acts as a "prophet" of God. It is another thing to prove it. The only way that this can be done is to review the record. Thus this group of anointed followers of Jesus Christ, doing a work in Christendom paralleling Ezekiel's work among the Jews, were manifestly the modern-day Ezekiel, the "prophet" commissioned by Jehovah to declare the good news of God's Messianic kingdom and to give warning to Christendom." Watchtower 1972 Apr 1 pp.197-199 'They Shall Know that a Prophet Was Among Them'
Tell me ungullible one,where I can find this teaching in the Holy Scriptures?
To receive everlasting life in the earthly Paradise we must identify that organization and serve God as part of it." Watchtower 1983 Feb 15 p.12.
Seen Aneirin lately?
fds

Neath, UK

#13 Dec 30, 2012
GNomi wrote:
I say yes. Everything they say is founded from the Bible, and written by Jehovah GOD'S annointed. So in this sense their writings have at least as much, if not more authority, then the scriptures themselves since they are the latest writings with the newest light. Even Christendom acknowledges this. They have never once made a mistake, always teaching what it presently true. What do you say? I realize this is a loaded question, but that's ok.
The notion of present day truth is a convenient one that goes back to early adventist writings and has been used as a strategy by many other christian sects and their appologists.
infact, the trinity developed ideologcally from such a notion that enlightenment or truth is revealed slowly according to Jehovahs time plan.
for instance :
The sacred mystery of the seed who is the christ was a mystery of chronological development as is the prophecy given to Daniel that foretold of events that were to be "shut up" for they were "For the time of the end".
Paul also explains the mystery of resurection sayings " a tell you a mystery, we shall not all sleep, but....."
many times we see that the bible writers gradually over many centuries were directed by God to reveal more and more light on God's plan of redemption. While Christ himself was the final piece in the jigsaw.
however, although the JWS and some other groups use this scriptural precident when they themselves venture to speak of new light on understanding scripture coming by means of God's Holy Spirit. They fail to accept that everything is still contained within the scripture and that further writtings are unnessacary.
if we look at the prophecy of the 4 great empires, daniel could ot have known it was mighty rome untill rome came to the scene of world power, yrt scripture contained everything to identify her.
At this point i'm not to sure which way to take the issue, i seem to have ended up giving some sort of support for people oppossing your view, which is what was contrary to my original thinking. When really i am agreeing with you. Help !!!!
fds

Neath, UK

#14 Dec 30, 2012
rachel123 wrote:
<quoted text>
Is it really Nomi? You who accused me of posting lies!
Show us Nomi the Biblical foundation of this teaching of the watch tower then!
Only this organization functions for Jehovah's purpose and to his praise. To it alone God's Sacred Word, the Bible, is not a sealed book." Watchtower 1973 Jul 1 p.402
"However, the Governing Body are appointed through the holy spirit under the direction of Jehovah God and Jesus Christ." Watchtower 1990 Mar 15 p.18
Holy Bible foundation for this,Nomi please?
"Christ thus leads the congregation by means of the spirit-anointed "faithful and discreet slave" and its Governing Body." Examining the Scriptures Daily 2007 p.34
Holy Bible foundation for this,Nomi please?
Now NOMI! This one that i've been asking you for ever since you posted your satanic lie about me.
"To receive everlasting life in the earthly Paradise we must identify that organization and serve God as part of it." Watchtower 1983 Feb 15 p.12
Where can I find this teaching in the Holy Bible NOMI ????
YOU are the one that claims Everything they say is founded from the Bible, and written by Jehovah GOD'S annointed.
Show me where I can find this in the Holy Scriptures NOMI?
Show me YOU are not the one posting non Biblical teaching NOMI?
Show the watch tower YOU NOMI are not exposing them yet again NOMI?
More importantly Nomi,show God you are not lying.The watch tower teaches it is ok to lie.
God says in Revelation 21.
8. But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and........ALL LIARS,.... shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
Show us you are not lying Nomi?
In my first reply to NOMI what i said was correct except i lost where i was going in my response. Just to clarify where i stand, i will say that i do not dispute the scriptural backing for progressive revelation because the bible is itself proof of it. However, as regards the watchtower and its claims, as very well documented by Racheal 123 and having been a witness for 25 years [now an EX JWS] and having read those same quotations myself through the years, i wish to state that What racheal says is true and i agree totally with her and how she has presented the facts
You cannot presume to call yourself a mouthpiece, Prophet and Only Channel, for the soverign God of the Universe and all creation and then say "but even so we are not really infallable".

the watchtower society have claimed that GOD is the EDITOR and that the Society is merely [Merely] the publishing house for all the stuff that Jehovah wants people to read". Therefore, we can take it to be true then that when the Tower publishes things which become untrue, they can rightly say they havnt LIED. They hav'nt, Jehovah who is the originator of the articles LIED.

Great work Racheal 123

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LET GO AND LET GOD

#15 Dec 30, 2012
fds wrote:
<quoted text>

You cannot presume to call yourself a mouthpiece, Prophet and Only Channel, for the soverign God of the Universe and all creation and then say "but even so we are not really infallable".
the watchtower society have claimed that GOD is the EDITOR and that the Society is merely [Merely] the publishing house for all the stuff that Jehovah wants people to read". Therefore, we can take it to be true then that when the Tower publishes things which become untrue, they can rightly say they havnt LIED. They hav'nt, Jehovah who is the originator of the articles LIED.
Great work Racheal 123
Doesn't this premise seem to be THE biggest burr under our saddles when it comes to whatever the WTS writers happen to declare and demand obedience to? When they have been caught, time and again, in outright LIES....then the feeble excuses run rampant and the "we be imperfect" card gets pulled into full view.

It stands to reason that IF God were truly the author of all things written that come down from the WT publishing corp....there would not BE any errors to have to keep slinking away from.

Why is it that the WTS defenders cannot see or acknowledge this simple fact?
fds

Neath, UK

#16 Dec 30, 2012
Nedoba wrote:
<quoted text>
Doesn't this premise seem to be THE biggest burr under our saddles when it comes to whatever the WTS writers happen to declare and demand obedience to? When they have been caught, time and again, in outright LIES....then the feeble excuses run rampant and the "we be imperfect" card gets pulled into full view.
It stands to reason that IF God were truly the author of all things written that come down from the WT publishing corp....there would not BE any errors to have to keep slinking away from.
Why is it that the WTS defenders cannot see or acknowledge this simple fact?
Yes its exactly as you say. its frightening really you can only wonder what could have happened if hitler had come up with such an idea as this. "Hitler, God's mouthpiece". I think i can.

Since: Jul 11

Portadown

#17 Dec 31, 2012
Christian Trucker wrote:
<quoted text>Seen Aneirin lately?
No,not lately C.T.!Shouldn't be any cause for concern though as any request for Holy Scripture reference seems to have that effect on them!

It matters not whether he answers my question or not.The day will come when that option will not be an option.

Revelation 20.
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Amos 9.
3. And though they hide themselves in the top of Carmel, I will search and take them out thence; and though they be hid from my sight in the bottom of the sea, thence will I command the serpent, and he shall bite them:

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#18 Dec 31, 2012
rachel123 wrote:
<quoted text>
No,not lately C.T.!Shouldn't be any cause for concern though as any request for Holy Scripture reference seems to have that effect on them!
It matters not whether he answers my question or not.The day will come when that option will not be an option.

Revelation 20.
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
Amos 9.
3. And though they hide themselves in the top of Carmel, I will search and take them out thence; and though they be hid from my sight in the bottom of the sea, thence will I command the serpent, and he shall bite them:
This is so true.

You had a great post,I thought I would bump it up to the top for ya.

Happy New Year

CT

Since: Jul 11

Portadown

#19 Dec 31, 2012
Christian Trucker wrote:
<quoted text>This is so true.
You had a great post,I thought I would bump it up to the top for ya.
Happy New Year
CT
I know you did Christian,and I appreciate that,I too have been heartened by your posts,it is always good to read the unadulterated truth of the Gospel,on a forum rife with cowards who shy away from posting Holy Scripture.

A happy new year to you and yours Christian!

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