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Since: Sep 09

Westerville, OH

#1 Dec 30, 2009
Revelation 9:11, says they have a King over them, his name in Hebrew is "Abaddon" in Greek "Apollyon". Who is this?

Since: Jan 07

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#2 Dec 30, 2009
askduane wrote:
Revelation 9:11, says they have a King over them, his name in Hebrew is "Abaddon" in Greek "Apollyon". Who is this?
That prophecy refers to many locusts. The description of those locusts is remarcably similar to the insects in the prophecy in Joel 2.

Peter quoted the prophecy at Joel 2 and applied it to the Christian congregation in 33CE when holy spirit baptised the congregation in Acts 2:16.

So from this we can see that the locusts in Revelation 9:11 represent God's people sent out preaching his word.

That means that Apollyon, their king, is none other than Jesus Christ.

The word "Apollyon" means "destroyer". When Jesus met the demons they also knew him as the "destroyer":

*** Mark 1:23,24 Just then there was in their synagogue a man with an unclean spirit, and he shouted, What do we have to do with you, Jesus, you Nazarene? Have you come to destroy us? I know you who you are: the Holy One of God!"

Clearly that wicked spirit knew Jesus as the "destroyer".

Also the evil spirits knew that Jesus was the one to whom the key to the Abyss would be given:

*** Luke 8:30,31 Jesus asked him, "What is your name?" He said, "Legion," for many demons had entered into him. They begged him that he would not command them to go into the abyss.

Clearly those wicked spirits knew Jesus as the angel of the Abyss:

*** Rev 9:11 They have over them as king the angel of the abyss. His name in Hebrew is "Abaddon," and in Greek, he has the name "Apollyon."

So this destroyer of evil (Apollyon) and master of the Abyss is clearly Jesus Christ.
PRIME

UK

#3 Dec 30, 2009
I WILL BE FLUSHED!
muhahahahahahahahahahaha!

“The proof is in the pudding!”

Since: Aug 09

Location hidden

#4 Dec 30, 2009
Gareth wrote:
<quoted text>
That prophecy refers to many locusts. The description of those locusts is remarcably similar to the insects in the prophecy in Joel 2.
Peter quoted the prophecy at Joel 2 and applied it to the Christian congregation in 33CE when holy spirit baptised the congregation in Acts 2:16.
So from this we can see that the locusts in Revelation 9:11 represent God's people sent out preaching his word.
That means that Apollyon, their king, is none other than Jesus Christ.
The word "Apollyon" means "destroyer". When Jesus met the demons they also knew him as the "destroyer":
*** Mark 1:23,24 Just then there was in their synagogue a man with an unclean spirit, and he shouted, What do we have to do with you, Jesus, you Nazarene? Have you come to destroy us? I know you who you are: the Holy One of God!"
Clearly that wicked spirit knew Jesus as the "destroyer".
Also the evil spirits knew that Jesus was the one to whom the key to the Abyss would be given:
*** Luke 8:30,31 Jesus asked him, "What is your name?" He said, "Legion," for many demons had entered into him. They begged him that he would not command them to go into the abyss.
Clearly those wicked spirits knew Jesus as the angel of the Abyss:
*** Rev 9:11 They have over them as king the angel of the abyss. His name in Hebrew is "Abaddon," and in Greek, he has the name "Apollyon."
So this destroyer of evil (Apollyon) and master of the Abyss is clearly Jesus Christ.
Couldn't have explained it better.
Claude Kenneson

Tallahassee, FL

#5 Dec 30, 2009
Gareth wrote:
<quoted text>
That prophecy refers to many locusts. The description of those locusts is remarcably similar to the insects in the prophecy in Joel 2.
Peter quoted the prophecy at Joel 2 and applied it to the Christian congregation in 33CE when holy spirit baptised the congregation in Acts 2:16.
So from this we can see that the locusts in Revelation 9:11 represent God's people sent out preaching his word.
That means that Apollyon, their king, is none other than Jesus Christ.
The word "Apollyon" means "destroyer". When Jesus met the demons they also knew him as the "destroyer":
*** Mark 1:23,24 Just then there was in their synagogue a man with an unclean spirit, and he shouted, What do we have to do with you, Jesus, you Nazarene? Have you come to destroy us? I know you who you are: the Holy One of God!"
Clearly that wicked spirit knew Jesus as the "destroyer".
Also the evil spirits knew that Jesus was the one to whom the key to the Abyss would be given:
*** Luke 8:30,31 Jesus asked him, "What is your name?" He said, "Legion," for many demons had entered into him. They begged him that he would not command them to go into the abyss.
Clearly those wicked spirits knew Jesus as the angel of the Abyss:
*** Rev 9:11 They have over them as king the angel of the abyss. His name in Hebrew is "Abaddon," and in Greek, he has the name "Apollyon."
So this destroyer of evil (Apollyon) and master of the Abyss is clearly Jesus Christ.
So, the locusts are God's people and they are in the same place where the demons and Satan abide? Really?
Claude Kenneson

Tallahassee, FL

#7 Dec 30, 2009
Rev. 9:3 has the locusts (God's people according to you) come out of the pit (Satan and the demon's abode--see Rev. 20:7). Does that make sense to you?

Since: Jan 07

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#8 Dec 30, 2009
Claude Kenneson wrote:
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So, the locusts are God's people and they are in the same place where the demons and Satan abide? Really?
Satan and the demons do not abide in the Abyss.

They are to be imprisoned there for the 1000 years at some time in the future to keep them away from Christ's rule.

Since: Jan 07

Location hidden

#9 Dec 30, 2009
If Sata's demons abided in the Abyss then why would these demons be pleading NOT to go there?

*** Luke 8:30,31 Jesus asked him, "What is your name?" He said, "Legion," for many demons had entered into him. They begged him that he would not command them to go into the abyss.

Obviously demons HATE the Abyss. They do not normally live there. They live right here on earth among us and the used to also be able to enter into heaven.

The Abyss is a temporary prison they will be forced into at Armageddon.

Since: Jan 07

Location hidden

#10 Dec 30, 2009
There are obviously TWO things that the demons knew that Jesus was going to do to them.

1) Cast them into the Abyss.

2) Cast them into the Lake of Fire.

This is reflected in that they pleaded with Jesus not to do either of these thongs when they saw him.

Also Revelation shows us that this is exactly what Jesus will do at some point:

First he will fling them into the Abyss:

*** Rev 20:1 I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand.

*** Rev 20:2 He seized the serpent, the old snake, which is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years,

*** Rev 20:3 and cast him into the abyss, and shut it, and sealed it over him...

Then the Lake of Fire:

*** Rev 20:10 The devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur...

Because he is the Angel of the Abyss and the Destroyer (Apollyon).
little lamb

Australia

#11 Dec 30, 2009
Claude Kenneson wrote:
Rev. 9:3 has the locusts (God's people according to you) come out of the pit (Satan and the demon's abode--see Rev. 20:7). Does that make sense to you?
Thats a good one Claude- Also Rev 11 [7] And when they have finished their witnessing the wild beast that ascends out of the Abyss will make war and conquer them.
So that Abyss has some pretty bad company, for we have the wild beast ascending out of it as well.
Rev 17 [ 8] The wild beast that you saw was, but is not , and is yet to ascend out of the Abyss.....
So it pays us to actually know who is coming out of the Abyss- The wild beast, who some say are Gods people????
Prime

United States

#12 Dec 30, 2009
Gareth wrote:
There are obviously TWO things that the demons knew that Jesus was going to do to them.
1) Cast them into the Abyss.
2) Cast them into the Lake of Fire.
This is reflected in that they pleaded with Jesus not to do either of these thongs when they saw him.
Also Revelation shows us that this is exactly what Jesus will do at some point:
First he will fling them into the Abyss:
*** Rev 20:1 I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand.
*** Rev 20:2 He seized the serpent, the old snake, which is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years,
*** Rev 20:3 and cast him into the abyss, and shut it, and sealed it over him...
Then the Lake of Fire:
*** Rev 20:10 The devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur...
Because he is the Angel of the Abyss and the Destroyer (Apollyon).
You have a serious problem with your theory there gareth mainly JESUS IS NOT AN ANGEL chap!
Bupu

United States

#13 Dec 30, 2009
Joel 2 18-32 (caps mine)
Then the LORD will be jealous for his land
and take pity on his people.
The LORD will reply to them:
"I am sending you grain, new wine and oil,
enough to satisfy you fully;
never again will I make you
an object of scorn to the nations.
"I WILL DRIVE THE NORTHERN ARMY FAR FROM YOU,
PUSHING IT INTO A PARCHED AND BARREN LAND,
with its front columns going into the eastern sea
and those in the rear into the western sea.
AND ITS STENCH WILL GO UP AND ITS SMELL WILL RISE
Surely he has done great things.
Be not afraid, O land;
be glad and rejoice.
Surely the LORD has done great things.
Be not afraid, O wild animals,
for the open pastures are becoming green.
The trees are bearing their fruit;
the fig tree and the vine yield their riches.
Be glad, O people of Zion,
rejoice in the LORD your God,
for he has given you
the autumn rains in righteousness.
He sends you abundant showers,
both autumn and spring rains, as before.
The threshing floors will be filled with grain;
the vats will overflow with new wine and oil.
"I will repay you for the years the locusts have eaten—
the great locust and the young locust,
the other locusts and the locust swarm
my great army that I sent among you.
You will have plenty to eat, until you are full,
and you will praise the name of the LORD your God,
who has worked wonders for you;
never again will my people be shamed.
Then you will know that I am in Israel,
that I am the LORD your God,
and that there is no other;
never again will my people be shamed.
"And afterward,
I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
your old men will dream dreams,
your young men will see visions.
Even on my servants, both men and women,
I will pour out my Spirit in those days.
I will show wonders in the heavens
and on the earth,
blood and fire and billows of smoke.
The sun will be turned to darkness
and the moon to blood
before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD.
And everyone who calls
on the name of the LORD will be saved;
for on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem
there will be deliverance,
as the LORD has said,
among the survivors
whom the LORD calls.

****Yeah, an army of destructive locusts are a GOOD thing to normal people./sarcasm
Too bad their going to be stinking up the place for awhile even AFTER they're done away with.
*shaking my head at the lunacy*
Bupu

Since: Jan 07

Location hidden

#14 Dec 30, 2009
little lamb wrote:
<quoted text>
Thats a good one Claude- Also Rev 11 [7] And when they have finished their witnessing the wild beast that ascends out of the Abyss will make war and conquer them.
So that Abyss has some pretty bad company, for we have the wild beast ascending out of it as well.
Rev 17 [ 8] The wild beast that you saw was, but is not , and is yet to ascend out of the Abyss.....
So it pays us to actually know who is coming out of the Abyss- The wild beast, who some say are Gods people????
The wild beast is a symbolic entity, not a demon.

So this tells us that the Abyss is a symbolic place, like Sheol, representing inactivity/inability to affect others.

Since: Jan 07

Location hidden

#15 Dec 30, 2009
We know from Daniel that the wild beasts are political world powers.

Since: Jan 07

Location hidden

#16 Dec 30, 2009
Prime wrote:
<quoted text>You have a serious problem with your theory there gareth mainly JESUS IS NOT AN ANGEL chap!
*** Mal 3:1 "Behold, I send my messenger, and he will prepare the way before me; and the Lord, whom you seek, will suddenly come to his temple; and the messenger of the covenant, whom you desire, behold, he comes!" says Jehovah of hosts.

Tell me, who is this "messenger of the covenant"?
Bupu

United States

#17 Dec 30, 2009
Jeus Christ is our SAVIOR the exact OPPOSITE of the DESTROYER.

HE has AUTHORITY OVER DESTRUCTION.

NORMAL people see LOCUSTS as BAD things.
GOD sees LOCUSTS as a CURSE.
GOD is going to DO AWAY with the LOCUSTS but their STENCH will continue for awhile.

The locusts in Revelation are told they can't HURT those with the seal of GOD on their forehead.

If the locust were those with the seal of GOD (the annointed) why are they told they can't HURT themselves? It's OBVIOUSLY two different groups.

The annointed are to be a BLESSING not a CURSE.

If you can allow yourself to be sucked into believing that your SAVIOR is the DESTROYER then it's obvious to me that YOU are one of the men the locusts are out there hurting.

But take heart, they won't completely devastate the land, maybe you'll be salvagable once the insatiable bugs are gone.

Bupu

Since: Jan 07

Location hidden

#18 Dec 30, 2009
Bupu wrote:
Joel 2 18-32 (caps mine)
Then the LORD will be jealous for his land
and take pity on his people.
The LORD will reply to them:
"I am sending you grain, new wine and oil,
enough to satisfy you fully;
never again will I make you
an object of scorn to the nations.
"I WILL DRIVE THE NORTHERN ARMY FAR FROM YOU,
PUSHING IT INTO A PARCHED AND BARREN LAND,
with its front columns going into the eastern sea
and those in the rear into the western sea.
AND ITS STENCH WILL GO UP AND ITS SMELL WILL RISE
Surely he has done great things.
Be not afraid, O land;
be glad and rejoice.
Surely the LORD has done great things.
Be not afraid, O wild animals,
for the open pastures are becoming green.
The trees are bearing their fruit;
the fig tree and the vine yield their riches.
Be glad, O people of Zion,
rejoice in the LORD your God,
for he has given you
the autumn rains in righteousness.
He sends you abundant showers,
both autumn and spring rains, as before.
The threshing floors will be filled with grain;
the vats will overflow with new wine and oil.
"I will repay you for the years the locusts have eaten�
the great locust and the young locust,
the other locusts and the locust swarm
my great army that I sent among you.
You will have plenty to eat, until you are full,
and you will praise the name of the LORD your God,
who has worked wonders for you;
never again will my people be shamed.
Then you will know that I am in Israel,
that I am the LORD your God,
and that there is no other;
never again will my people be shamed.
"And afterward,
I will pour out my Spirit on all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
your old men will dream dreams,
your young men will see visions.
Even on my servants, both men and women,
I will pour out my Spirit in those days.
I will show wonders in the heavens
and on the earth,
blood and fire and billows of smoke.
The sun will be turned to darkness
and the moon to blood
before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD.
And everyone who calls
on the name of the LORD will be saved;
for on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem
there will be deliverance,
as the LORD has said,
among the survivors
whom the LORD calls.
****Yeah, an army of destructive locusts are a GOOD thing to normal people./sarcasm
Too bad their going to be stinking up the place for awhile even AFTER they're done away with.
*shaking my head at the lunacy*
Bupu
*** Joel 2L11 Jehovah thunders his voice before his army; for his forces are very great; for he is strong who obeys his command;
for the day of Jehovah is great and very awesome, and who can endure it?

These creatures OBEY JEHOVAH'S COMMAND. And that makes them strong.
Prime

Preston, UK

#19 Dec 30, 2009
I am now in a sewer,its dark in here,I have realized that to come out of my pschosis I have to be nice to people including Gareth!(note my post to him above!). I am hoping I can keep being civil and polite to everyone,because I realize it is the only way to stop these posts Im writing to myself! NoGodNeeded/columbo agnostic had to go thru the same experience...and where are they now? I (and my alter ego SOSSOS) apologize to everyone weve been rude to. I love you all, Prime! xxxx
Prime

United States

#20 Dec 30, 2009
Prime wrote:
I am now in a sewer,its dark in here,I have realized that to come out of my pschosis I have to be nice to people including Gareth!(note my post to him above!). I am hoping I can keep being civil and polite to everyone,because I realize it is the only way to stop these posts Im writing to myself! NoGodNeeded/columbo agnostic had to go thru the same experience...and where are they now? I (and my alter ego SOSSOS) apologize to everyone weve been rude to. I love you all, Prime! xxxx
Are you really that foolish to think you can make me do anything? ROTFLMAO!! Post away trolly your time is short!
lannymac

Lake Charles, LA

#21 Dec 30, 2009
Gareth wrote:
<quoted text>
*** Joel 2L11 Jehovah thunders his voice before his army; for his forces are very great; for he is strong who obeys his command;
for the day of Jehovah is great and very awesome, and who can endure it?
These creatures OBEY JEHOVAH'S COMMAND. And that makes them strong.
Verse 25 shows that God uses the “locust army” as a means of chastisement, not messengers of the gospel.

25 And I will restore to you the years that the locust hath eaten, the cankerworm, and the caterpiller, and the palmerworm, my great army which I sent among you.

“Restore” means to make something like it used to be.

If the mission of the abyss locusts is to spread the good news, once they complete their mission then things will return to how it was before the good news became available to mankind.

That would be Satan’s desire, not God's.

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