A poll....Should the US reduce food s...

A poll....Should the US reduce food stamp spending?.

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TPMP

New York, NY

#1 Nov 24, 2012
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Yes. Why should they have the liberty to purchase junk food with food stamps?.

Is that responsible parenting? Is that encouraging responsible behavior?. Where is the self-accountability?.

There should also be a limit as to how long these deadbeats can stay on the program.

Since: Nov 09

Location hidden

#2 Nov 24, 2012
I don't think it should be cut out for those who truly need it, but I do think it should have guidelines. There are to many children that would go hungry whose parents are good parents and do what they can. There are to many deadbeats getting them who could be doing something to work even if its working for the state doing something. I have often thought that if the state required the person getting food stamps to do some type of community work for them, many of those deadbeats would stop getting them.
TPMP

New York, NY

#3 Nov 24, 2012
The Real Karen wrote:
I don't think it should be cut out for those who truly need it, but I do think it should have guidelines. There are to many children that would go hungry whose parents are good parents and do what they can. There are to many deadbeats getting them who could be doing something to work even if its working for the state doing something. I have often thought that if the state required the person getting food stamps to do some type of community work for them, many of those deadbeats would stop getting them.
I agree, Karen. Kids should not be cut under any circumstances. We live in a civilized country.

But, adults should be working for what they receive.

The government should also do a better job with enforcing healthier guidelines as to what one can purchase with food stamps.

Doesn't it steam you that someone in front of you online at the supermarket can buy sugary cereals, sodas, and Haagen Daaz ice cream?

Or that a fully grown parent can continually keep having kids and getting wick assistance for each kid and here we are who work for our own and purchase our needed foodstuffs out of our own pockets.

Why must we continually pay for theirs too with our taxpayer dollars?.

Aren't we rewarding irresponsible behavior? What is wrong with this picture?.

All of this on the taxpayer's dime.

People immigrate here just to get benefits. It's out of hand.

I'm a bit conservative on this issue.

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#4 Nov 24, 2012
Oh yay, another foray into the political arena led by TPMP aboard the wild beast!

aka Another Wildly Successful Thread by Jose
TPMP

New York, NY

#5 Nov 24, 2012
acrobat wrote:
Oh yay, another foray into the political arena led by TPMP aboard the wild beast!
aka Another Wildly Successful Thread by Jose
I post what i please, Acrobat.

Tell me in bible times. Were food stamps given out or was there a loving provision instituted by the Isrealites for people to "glean" for their food?.

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Or shall we take it to another level?.....

2 Thessalonians plainly states "If anyone does not want to work, neither let him eat" (2 Thessalonians 3:2)
Back to Florida I go

Antigo, WI

#7 Nov 24, 2012
Maybe if the RICH JW"S would give to soup kitchens or the poor, their would be no need for food stamps.

Instead I witnessed many LAZY JW"S NOT working,having tons of children and ONLY going out in service while the RICH JW"S would support them.

How sickening is this?
TPMP

New York, NY

#8 Nov 24, 2012
Back to Florida I go wrote:
Maybe if the RICH JW"S would give to soup kitchens or the poor, their would be no need for food stamps.
Instead I witnessed many LAZY JW"S NOT working,having tons of children and ONLY going out in service while the RICH JW"S would support them.
How sickening is this?
I don't know why i'm even bothering to answer this gibberish. But, i will this time.

I have never seen a JW fully supporting another JW full time. Ever.

First of all. It is unscriptural and encourages irresponsibility and usury.

Far from the loving thing to do.

A helping hand if the time of need ever arose?. Of course!
TPMP

New York, NY

#9 Nov 24, 2012
SOS wrote:
<quoted text>hmmmmmm should pay close attention to this thread.
LOL!
Florida is the best

Merrill, WI

#10 Nov 24, 2012
TPMP wrote:
<quoted text> I don't know why i'm even bothering to answer this gibberish. But, i will this time.
I have never seen a JW fully supporting another JW full time. Ever.
First of all. It is unscriptural and encourages irresponsibility and usury.
Far from the loving thing to do.
A helping hand if the time of need ever arose?. Of course!
If I would be lying, I surely would have thought about a better lie to tell other than the TRUTH!

You OBVIOUSLY do NOT Minggle with JW's of congragations as There ARE MANY these days are out of work and either are working for other JW"S who have their own buisnesses OR RICH well off JW's WILL SUPPORT ANY person , in fact people with CHILDREN they DO And WILL SUPPORT!
BUT, these are ones who are out in FULL TIME service, it doesnt show responsiblity on the parent to even get a job and stop going out in service and get employment and take care of their own family instead of Leeching on other JW"S..

I will say a few Sweet Jw's have helped us out when me and my daughter were all alone and in need...I apreceated every bit but NEVER took advantage of this..
UNchained

Kingsport, TN

#11 Nov 24, 2012
TPMP wrote:
http://politix.topix.com/homep age/669-should-...
Yes. Why should they have the liberty to purchase junk food with food stamps?.
Is that responsible parenting? Is that encouraging responsible behavior?. Where is the self-accountability?.
There should also be a limit as to how long these deadbeats can stay on the program.
Why are you advocating starvation for the majority of Jehovah's Witnesses?
TPMP

Bronx, NY

#12 Nov 24, 2012
UNchained wrote:
<quoted text>
Why are you advocating starvation for the majority of Jehovah's Witnesses?
Starvation?. How do you come to that conclusion?
I don't know about the demographics of the particular region you hail from in Tennessee.

However, the JW's here are gainfully employed. Even the illegal immigrants. Of which we have a substantial population here in the Metropolitan Tri-state region.

A capable individual mooching off of the government and being a JW are not compatible. Jw's are model, upstanding citizens.
UNchained

Kingsport, TN

#13 Nov 24, 2012
TPMP wrote:
<quoted text>Starvation?. How do you come to that conclusion?
I don't know about the demographics of the particular region you hail from in Tennessee.
However, the JW's here are gainfully employed. Even the illegal immigrants. Of which we have a substantial population here in the Metropolitan Tri-state region.
A capable individual mooching off of the government and being a JW are not compatible. Jw's are model, upstanding citizens.
New York is one of the easiest states where a person can get on the dole.

There are many people who are gainfully employed yet still qualify for government assistance in the form of electronic food stamps and section 8 housing benefits.

The majority of JW's around here receive electronic food stamps (EBT).
TPMP

Bronx, NY

#14 Nov 24, 2012
UNchained wrote:
<quoted text>
New York is one of the easiest states where a person can get on the dole.
There are many people who are gainfully employed yet still qualify for government assistance in the form of electronic food stamps and section 8 housing benefits.
The majority of JW's around here receive electronic food stamps (EBT).
I agree.

That is part of the reason why i created this thread.

I implied that from the very beginning. Many people migrate to NY to get benefits.

I'm not sure of the particular qualifications, Bob.... Or of the economic demographics where you reside.

Have you personally asked these JW's whether they work?. How would you be privy to the info on each and every JW where you reside?.

But, Jw's do not purposefully make irresponsible, careless life decisions and expect that Uncle Sam will bail them out.

It's all boils down to choices and being held accountable for ones actions.
Florida is the best

Merrill, WI

#15 Nov 24, 2012
UNchained wrote:
<quoted text>
New York is one of the easiest states where a person can get on the dole.
There are many people who are gainfully employed yet still qualify for government assistance in the form of electronic food stamps and section 8 housing benefits.
The majority of JW's around here receive electronic food stamps (EBT).
I dont know if it would be fair to say the Majority, but certianly there are many, now with the jobs being cut back, there are many...But who's to say this is a bad thang?

If they Truely need assistance, I dont see a issue with this..
UNchained

Kingsport, TN

#16 Nov 24, 2012
TPMP wrote:
<quoted text>I agree.
But, Jw's do not purposefully make irresponsible, careless life decisions and expect that Uncle Sam will bail them out.
It's all boils down to choices and being held accountable for ones actions.
Pre-1975 encouragement from the 'slave' through the pages of the Watchtower caused many JW's to quit their jobs, sell their homes and move to where the 'need is greater' and they were commended by the Society (May 1974 Kindom Ministry page 3) for making such irresponsible, careless life decisions.


Pre-1975 encouragement from the 'slave' through the pages of the AWAKE! caused many young JW's to forego an education that would have allowed them to retire by now and they were commended by the Society for making such irresponsible, careless life decisions.

Many of those JW's are on the dole today because they listened to and believed some ghost writers.
JACE

Woodbridge, VA

#17 Nov 24, 2012
TPMP wrote:
<quoted text>I post what i please, Acrobat.
Tell me in bible times. Were food stamps given out or was there a loving provision instituted by the Isrealites for people to "glean" for their food?.
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in the year 2012 this jw poster envision folks living in Cities around the world- heading out to the "rurals" so they can Glean for their food

sometimes jw just don't think before they post- next the jw poster will be assigning "peg" for folks to used the bathroom.

dude everything that was done in one century is not possible in another time period or error

i bet you want so horse shoes don't you for that "pony" you got
TPMP

Brooklyn, NY

#18 Nov 24, 2012
JACE wrote:
<quoted text>
in the year 2012 this jw poster envision folks living in Cities around the world- heading out to the "rurals" so they can Glean for their food
sometimes jw just don't think before they post- next the jw poster will be assigning "peg" for folks to used the bathroom.
dude everything that was done in one century is not possible in another time period or error
i bet you want so horse shoes don't you for that "pony" you got
What people should just go fornicate without any thought whatsoever to the long term repercussions and other people should get stuck with the bill?.

How is that?......

Bible standards don't change, Jace

Yes. Of course!.. Common sense would dictate that people don't glean in an industrialized society.

But, your missing the whole point of the thread. Those people who gleaned still toiled for what they received.

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Where is Self-accountability for ones actions in today's society?.

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Do you have kids?. I haven't ever hear you speak of any children.

What kind of moral example do you want to set forth for your kids?.

Should society continually reward immoral behavior and bad life decisions?.

This is why we need a new system.

Since: Jul 11

Portadown

#19 Nov 24, 2012
TPMP wrote:
http://politix.topix.com/homep age/669-should-...
Yes. Why should they have the liberty to purchase junk food with food stamps?.
Is that responsible parenting? Is that encouraging responsible behavior?. Where is the self-accountability?.
There should also be a limit as to how long these deadbeats can stay on the program.
Take a look at your example of responsibility as a witness for the cult,you two faced servant of Satan.

"TPMP" Wrote in post No.3646.
Quote.
Gee...I wasn't aware that you still had hair.
LOL!

Would you like some more cnp's of your foul mouth TPMP?

Since: Nov 09

Location hidden

#20 Nov 25, 2012
TPMP wrote:
<quoted text>I agree, Karen. Kids should not be cut under any circumstances. We live in a civilized country.
But, adults should be working for what they receive.
The government should also do a better job with enforcing healthier guidelines as to what one can purchase with food stamps.
Doesn't it steam you that someone in front of you online at the supermarket can buy sugary cereals, sodas, and Haagen Daaz ice cream?
Or that a fully grown parent can continually keep having kids and getting wick assistance for each kid and here we are who work for our own and purchase our needed foodstuffs out of our own pockets.
Why must we continually pay for theirs too with our taxpayer dollars?.
Aren't we rewarding irresponsible behavior? What is wrong with this picture?.
All of this on the taxpayer's dime.
People immigrate here just to get benefits. It's out of hand.
I'm a bit conservative on this issue.
It doesn't bother me as much for them to have the ice cream and stuff (children do need some goodies now and then, but not all the time) as it does all the rib eyes and roast. I cant afford to buy those thing often anymore and my husband worked very hard for most of his life. I priced two rib eyes at WalMart two weeks ago and it was $25.00, I am sorry but I can buy a lot of ground chuck and chicken for that. We now live on a fixed income with no food stamps, no help from anyone but ourselves. He has Medicare, I do not, I have no insurance at all. Those who get the rib eyes and roast also get medicines for 50 cents each and do not pay the doctor at all. These things really rile me up, and I have to be very careful about what I say at times. At this time we are doing okay, but in the future, we may not with things rising in cost as they are. What gets me is how someone can move here from another country and get medical paid for, but I cant get any help at all and I am an AMERICAN CITIZEN!
I agree that the government should do more to check out these people more carefully and make sure they are doing as they say and making what they say. But when you think of how many each case worker has to carry, I can understand how that would be very impossible to do. Drug testing should be mandatory, limits on the amount of junk foods, and making a person ID themselves before using the food stamp card.
The women with Wic does not bother me, they are taking care of their bodies while carrying a child inside them. Without this help the child may not be healthy when it is born. Again, we will have those who mis use it, and abuse it, but at least those mothers who use it as it should be are getting the nutrition they need.

Since: Nov 09

Location hidden

#21 Nov 25, 2012
TPMP wrote:
<quoted text>Starvation?. How do you come to that conclusion?
I don't know about the demographics of the particular region you hail from in Tennessee.
However, the JW's here are gainfully employed. Even the illegal immigrants. Of which we have a substantial population here in the Metropolitan Tri-state region.
A capable individual mooching off of the government and being a JW are not compatible. Jw's are model, upstanding citizens.
Here where I live TPMP the unemployment rate is horrible. It is almost impossible to find a job, even at places like McDonalds. People realize how hard it is to find a job and are not quiting the ones they have as before. I know quite a few witness families that are getting help from the goverment. I see nothing wrong with that if they are unable to find work. Many have worked most of their lives and payed into these things so that if the time arose, they could use them. JW's are mainly nice people, but they at times need helps just as any one else does. Capable or not, times happen in everyones life where they have to recieve a little help now and then.

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