do you pay tithes

[Pat]

Karen , looks like a bird is flying above your head , watch out for bird droppings .

[The Real Karen]

Aneirin wrote:

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Not of the Watchtower Society no, they are not.

LOL, so you are telling me that when a person sees a Watchtower, they don't think of Jehovahs witnesses?

Although they are trying to separate the witnesses from the operating part of it, it is still part of the religion.

[The Real Karen]

Pat wrote:

Karen , looks like a bird is flying above your head , watch out for bird droppings .

Pat are you telling me that she is full of crap? ;)

[Pat]

The Real Karen wrote:

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Pat are you telling me that she is full of crap? ;)

LOL

[eagleeye2]

The Real Karen wrote:

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Pat are you telling me that she is full of crap? ;)

What I shared with you is factual news of your own religion. Call it what you will.

[The Real Karen]

Pat wrote:

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LOL

I am leaving now, I don't want to get my clothes messy. ;)

You have a wonderful blessed day, and remember JESUS loves you!:)

[Aneirin]

The Real Karen wrote:

LOL, so you are telling me that when a person sees a Watchtower, they don't think of Jehovahs witnesses?

I never said any such thing, stop twisting my words.

The Real Karen wrote:

Although they are trying to separate the witnesses from the operating part of it, it is still part of the religion.

There is that mumbo-jumbo again.

Jehovah's Witnesses are members of the Christian congregation.

The Watchtower Society is a non-profit organization that manages the finances and the production of literature and a bunch of other stuff that the Christian congregation needs.

Jehovah's Witnesses are NOT members of the Watchtower Society.

[Prime]

Aneirin wrote:

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Jehovah's Witnesses are NOT members of the Watchtower Society.

Oh boy this is a keeper! Gareth has once again proven himself to be a blatant liar!

[Mythbusters]

Aneirin wrote:

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I never said any such thing, stop twisting my words.
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There is that mumbo-jumbo again.
Jehovah's Witnesses are members of the Christian congregation.
The Watchtower Society is a non-profit organization that manages the finances and the production of literature and a bunch of other stuff that the Christian congregation needs.
Jehovah's Witnesses are NOT members of the Watchtower Society.

Does the "watchtower society" pay off lawsuits?

[Trilateral Commission]

Manny Maricon wrote:

<quoted text>How can you know? Are you a mind reader? I think you are just concerned because deep down inside you know the rumors of tithing are true. You better have your money ready.

There was no reply to this. it seems that you have struck a nerve. Most JWs will try to dismiss this. However as you said deep down inside they know that tithing is inevitable. Tithing may prove to be counterproductive to the Watchtower. it may just give that extra reason to leave this religion.

[hMMMMM]

Trilateral Commission wrote:

<quoted text>There was no reply to this. it seems that you have struck a nerve. Most JWs will try to dismiss this. However as you said deep down inside they know that tithing is inevitable. Tithing may prove to be counterproductive to the Watchtower. it may just give that extra reason to leave this religion.

They have always pressured members to give most of their money to the WBTS.
Since most JWs have low incomes, they use pressure to turn over family assets or inheritances, and the elderly many times own homes worth many times what was paid for it.
There have always been "spiritual visits" to turn all of these over to the WBTS.
And if Alzheimer's, senility or a JW is under extreme stress, that is when the elders go in for the kill
The public is well aware, and becoming more so!

[Aneirin]

hMMMMM wrote:

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They have always pressured members to give most of their money to the WBTS.
Since most JWs have low incomes, they use pressure to turn over family assets or inheritances, and the elderly many times own homes worth many times what was paid for it.
There have always been "spiritual visits" to turn all of these over to the WBTS.
And if Alzheimer's, senility or a JW is under extreme stress, that is when the elders go in for the kill
The public is well aware, and becoming more so!

Now here is the TRUTH about what Jehovah's Witnesses are taught about donating:

== Quote:==

"Bearing Thorough Witness" About God's Kingdom
http://download.jw.org/files/media_books/bt_E...

With a generous spirit like that of faithful disciples in first-century Jerusalem, millions of present-day Witnesses support the worldwide preaching work by making voluntary donations. No one is forced to give either his time or his money to support this work. Indeed, Jehovah does not want us to serve him grudgingly or under compulsion.(2 Cor. 9:7) When we do give, Jehovah is interested, not in the amount, but in the motive for our giving.(Mark 12:41-44) Never would we want to be like Ananias and Sapphira, allowing our service to God to be prompted by self-interest or glory seeking. Instead, like Peter, John, and Barnabas, may our service to Jehovah always be motivated by genuine love of God and of our fellow man.—Matt. 22:37-40.

==

[hMMMMMM]

Aneirin wrote:

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Now here is the TRUTH about what Jehovah's Witnesses are taught about donating:
== Quote:==
"Bearing Thorough Witness" About God's Kingdom
http://download.jw.org/files/media_books/bt_E...
With a generous spirit like that of faithful disciples in first-century Jerusalem, millions of present-day Witnesses support the worldwide preaching work by making voluntary donations. No one is forced to give either his time or his money to support this work. Indeed, Jehovah does not want us to serve him grudgingly or under compulsion.(2 Cor. 9:7) When we do give, Jehovah is interested, not in the amount, but in the motive for our giving.(Mark 12:41-44) Never would we want to be like Ananias and Sapphira, allowing our service to God to be prompted by self-interest or glory seeking. Instead, like Peter, John, and Barnabas, may our service to Jehovah always be motivated by genuine love of God and of our fellow man.—Matt. 22:37-40.
==

LOL!!
That is nothing but WBTS propaganda!
Real JWs know the score.
I don't pretend I was never jW like you, I was forced to live as one for years, and an elder's daughter at that.
I knew when my dad had to go hit up some lonely sucker to turn over all their assets to the WBTS.
Almost everyone I know has a horror story with the same pathetic ending about a friend/relative who when going through a hard time, got scooped up by the jehovah's witness cult, only to end up having every dime taken away from them and ending up penniless.
I hear them all the time.
There is a special place in hell for those who scam the needy.

[Trilateral Commission]

Aneirin wrote:

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Now here is the TRUTH about what Jehovah's Witnesses are taught about donating:
== Quote:==
"Bearing Thorough Witness" About God's Kingdom
http://download.jw.org/files/media_books/bt_E...
With a generous spirit like that of faithful disciples in first-century Jerusalem, millions of present-day Witnesses support the worldwide preaching work by making voluntary donations. No one is forced to give either his time or his money to support this work. Indeed, Jehovah does not want us to serve him grudgingly or under compulsion.(2 Cor. 9:7) When we do give, Jehovah is interested, not in the amount, but in the motive for our giving.(Mark 12:41-44) Never would we want to be like Ananias and Sapphira, allowing our service to God to be prompted by self-interest or glory seeking. Instead, like Peter, John, and Barnabas, may our service to Jehovah always be motivated by genuine love of God and of our fellow man.—Matt. 22:37-40.
==

One word or 2 words really. Bull shit!

[dr of religion]

Aneirin wrote:

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I never said any such thing, stop twisting my words.
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There is that mumbo-jumbo again.
Jehovah's Witnesses are members of the Christian congregation.
The Watchtower Society is a non-profit organization that manages the finances and the production of literature and a bunch of other stuff that the Christian congregation needs.
Jehovah's Witnesses are NOT members of the Watchtower Society.

Its not a bunch of other stuff son. Its a pile os steamin horse shit!!!!!

[array]

Aneirin wrote:

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Why is that obvious?
According to you a few days ago they had so much free cash they were investing it into various hedge funds. Now they don't have enough to pay their debts let alone invest!
Don't you see how you are just making stuff up that suits your argument at the time?
Not very honest is it?

where did I say they had free cash floating about, show the post, they have heaps of real estate but not cash, its obvious.

[The Real Karen]

Aneirin wrote:

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I never said any such thing, stop twisting my words.
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There is that mumbo-jumbo again.
Jehovah's Witnesses are members of the Christian congregation.
The Watchtower Society is a non-profit organization that manages the finances and the production of literature and a bunch of other stuff that the Christian congregation needs.
Jehovah's Witnesses are NOT members of the Watchtower Society.

The Watchtower Society is Jehovahs witnesses. It is owned by witnesses, it is run by witnesses, it is printing material for witnesses. Therefore it is Witnesses! ARgue all you want,it is part of the Jehovahs witness religion, congregation, whatever. If you didnt have it, you would have no religion.

[The Real Karen]

Aneirin wrote:

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Now here is the TRUTH about what Jehovah's Witnesses are taught about donating:
== Quote:==
"Bearing Thorough Witness" About God's Kingdom
http://download.jw.org/files/media_books/bt_E...
With a generous spirit like that of faithful disciples in first-century Jerusalem, millions of present-day Witnesses support the worldwide preaching work by making voluntary donations. No one is forced to give either his time or his money to support this work. Indeed, Jehovah does not want us to serve him grudgingly or under compulsion.(2 Cor. 9:7) When we do give, Jehovah is interested, not in the amount, but in the motive for our giving.(Mark 12:41-44) Never would we want to be like Ananias and Sapphira, allowing our service to God to be prompted by self-interest or glory seeking. Instead, like Peter, John, and Barnabas, may our service to Jehovah always be motivated by genuine love of God and of our fellow man.—Matt. 22:37-40.
==

And those of us who give by tithing, give in the exact same manner. We don't give and begrudge it. We are not under compulsion to give. Jehovah sees that we gave and he don't care how much, but the motive for giving. We do not seek glory for what we give at all either, but our giving is motivated by love for God and his Son Jesus Christ just as your is. Our is to help maintain the house of God, to help those around us who have a need of shelter and food. Ours helps missionaries, our food pantry, and yes pays our Pastor who can be there when we need him. Our money does not go for buying up real estate, or paying off lawsuits.

[Pat]

The Real Karen wrote:

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The Watchtower Society is Jehovahs witnesses. It is owned by witnesses, it is run by witnesses, it is printing material for witnesses. Therefore it is Witnesses! ARgue all you want,it is part of the Jehovahs witness religion, congregation, whatever. If you didnt have it, you would have no religion.

Sure wouldn't at least as it is known today , it is run by , dictated by , instructed by and obeyed by , Jehovah's Witnesses and if they decide to NOT follow what the WTO SAYS THEY ARE KICKED OUT , SHUNNED AND AVOIDED by JW per instruced by the WT .Every belief they have and how they conduct their lives is dictated by the WTO , disagree and voice it .....BYE !!!

[Pat]

http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/37...
ALSO
When faced with far-reaching decisions, we do not trust in our own wisdom but look to Jehovah and his organization for guidance. And just as a child seeks his parents’ protection when a storm rages, we seek protection in Jehovah’s organization when, like a thunderstorm, the problems of this world strike us.[Watchtower April 15 2011 page 4]
PRETTY CLEAR I'D SAY