This is my name FOREVER!
KulatJr

Makati, Philippines

#571 Mar 28, 2013
CIA Free wrote:
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You still didn't answer my question. That's because you and I both know that the reason is obvious. You nor anyone else living today were alive to hear Moses or Abraham. So all we have today are theories about what it may have sounded like. Do you agree?
However, as far as the name Jehovah is concerned, we know that it was concocted and made up from the vowel placements in the work Adonnai. The original pronunciation of God's name YHWH was lost due to a superstitious Jewish class that stopped saying God's name out of the ridiculous fear that it would be used in a worthless way thus violating one of chief among the 10 Commandments.
The Watchtower's Divine Name brochure is one of most biased and inaccurate pieces of literature in their entire history and it's only purpose is a failed attempt to lend credence to their religious organization which they lyingly claim is headed and by God Almighty.
God has nothing to do with that false prophet true profit organization.
CIA Free.

Hahaha... You and I both know that you are just trying to evade from my question. Hahaha... Because you and I know that you are just fake and a pretender that you know the whole history of God's name.

Don't be a chicken and answer my question, which will determine if you really know the whole history of God's name. You are expsosed in this forum.

Answering a question with another question won't work on me. It's an old style. And I don't fall from that kind of style. Hahaha...

Just answer the question you COWARD. Hahaha...
KulatJr

Makati, Philippines

#572 Mar 28, 2013
CIA Free wrote:
Jehovah
The origins for the composite term Jehovah came from early English translators who transposed the vowels from Adonai to the Tetragrammaton, and read the word literally so that the Y in YHWH, was pronounced as a J in English, and the W as a V.[1] Taking the spellings at face value may have been as a result of not knowing about the Q're perpetuum, thus resulting in the term "Jehovah" and its spelling variants. The Catholic Encyclopedia [1913, Vol. VIII, p. 329] states: "Jehovah (Yahweh), the proper name of God in the Old Testament." Had they known about the Q're perpetuum, the term "Jehovah" might never have come into being.[14] Many modern scholars recognize Jehovah to be "grammatically impossible" (Jewish Encyclopedia, Vol VII, p. 8).
Nehemia Jordan argues against what he calls the scholarly consensus and says that "the English form Jehovah is quite simply an Anglicized form of Yehovah", the pronunciation preserved by Karaite Jews, who included the Masoretes.[15] Scott Jones also argues that "modern scholarship has no evidence for the pronunciation of Yahweh whatsoever" and that its assumption is merely based on a series of other assumptions, while "the born again Christian knows - and the evidence testifies - that the first words ever written by man were simply -'In the beginning God ...'"[15][16][17] Some argue that Jehovah is preferable to Yahweh, based on their conclusion that the Tetragrammaton was likely tri-syllabic originally, and that modern forms should therefore also have three syllables.[18]
CIA Free.

Is that all you can copy and paste? Hahaha... Your Grade is INCOMPLETE. Hahaha...

You can do better than that. Hahaha....

Answer my question "What is the phonetic system used by Abraham and Moses, and how does it relate from "J" pronounciation?

You are now showing that you really don't know anything. Hahaha...

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#573 Mar 28, 2013
KulatJr wrote:
<quoted text>
Maravilla.
Wether you like it or not, God's revelaed his name in TETRAGRAMMATON, which was written in the original scriptures more or less 7,000 times. We all know that the word "God" is a title not a personal name. So, it is wrong to say that "in the mean time.. GOD.. is the father.." God asked His servants to write down His name. What right do you have to deny the TETRAGRAMMTON, which in our modern language was translated as "Jehovah". Using the "name", not the title is one way to saved. Just like what Joel 2:32 and Romans 10:13 says "For “everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved." It's up to you if you don't want to use God's name. But for us who wants to worship and glorify the true God, we will keep on calling and walking on Jehovah's name.
.
. Your point??? You do not think that the attributes that Chirst showed us.. Show us who GOD is... Your so called name is splattered like fly specks all over everything the WTS..prints.. And yet.. Gods.. very attributes are what makes him know.. Not the mantra uses of 4 letters.. Fighting over a name... when you ..know yourself that it was lost ..years ago.. WAKE.. Read his word.. sing his praises.. All ..he ever really wanted..was for mankind to worship him.. only.. Not make a GOD..out of a NAME..

Since: Feb 09

Raleigh, NC

#574 Mar 28, 2013
KulatJr wrote:
<quoted text>
CIA Free.
Is that all you can copy and paste? Hahaha... Your Grade is INCOMPLETE. Hahaha...
You can do better than that. Hahaha....
Answer my question "What is the phonetic system used by Abraham and Moses, and how does it relate from "J" pronounciation?
You are now showing that you really don't know anything. Hahaha...
Well, enlighten us. I love to learn.

I'm not pompous like the Watchtower Society and Jehovah's Witnesses so as to think that I can't be taught anything from those who do not share my exact view of the world.

Also, unlike you, I make it a point to always be civil even when I know things others do not and I don't try to insult them or attempt to demean them in any way. Is that what you are taught in the Watchtower's religion these days?

Since: Feb 09

Raleigh, NC

#575 Mar 28, 2013
KulatJr wrote:
<quoted text>
CIA Free.
Is that all you can copy and paste? Hahaha... Your Grade is INCOMPLETE. Hahaha...
You can do better than that. Hahaha....
Answer my question "What is the phonetic system used by Abraham and Moses, and how does it relate from "J" pronounciation?
You are now showing that you really don't know anything. Hahaha...
You have a problem with "copy and paste"?

The Watchtower does it all the time.

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#576 Mar 28, 2013
CIA Free wrote:
<quoted text>
You have a problem with "copy and paste"?
The Watchtower does it all the time.
. Quite possibly they haven't gotten to that in grade school..

Since: Feb 09

Raleigh, NC

#577 Mar 28, 2013
Maravilla wrote:
<quoted text>
. Quite possibly they haven't gotten to that in grade school..
Quite right, dear sister, quite right.

Since: Feb 09

Raleigh, NC

#578 Mar 29, 2013
KulatJr wrote:
<quoted text>
CIA Free.
Is that all you can copy and paste? Hahaha... Your Grade is INCOMPLETE. Hahaha...
You can do better than that. Hahaha....
Answer my question "What is the phonetic system used by Abraham and Moses, and how does it relate from "J" pronounciation?
You are now showing that you really don't know anything. Hahaha...
I'm still waiting...

Are you going to teach me something or not?

Regardless, Jehovah is NOT God's name. It's only become the "accepted" English version of God's name. Just like the NWT, it's not the original Bible, it's only the version that YOU people accept.

Do you understand now? It's the same thing. Just because YOU say it's right means absolutely nothing. As fast as God's name is concerned, nothing about it was recorded for us in the New Testament. Jesus' apostles were not inspired by God to write it down and emphasize the use of it as Witnesses do.

Hebrews 1:1 says, "GOD, who long ago spoke by means of His prophets, his in these days spoken to us by means of a Son."

This was the perfect opportunity to stress the use of God's holy name by the early Christians, yet the inspired writer uses "God" in reference to the Father of our Lord Jesus.

It is this GOD Almighty that we serve. Whether you choose to acknowledge that makes no difference to us. It changes nothing. You are not the first religion to use the name Jehovah and you won't be the last, unfortunately.

Once I'm in heaven and my Father God through my faith in His only-begotten Son wishes to reveal His name to me, then I will know His great name accurately and some concocted name manufactured by imperfect humans.
KulatJr

Makati, Philippines

#579 Apr 1, 2013
Maravilla wrote:
<quoted text>
.
. Your point??? You do not think that the attributes that Chirst showed us.. Show us who GOD is... Your so called name is splattered like fly specks all over everything the WTS..prints.. And yet.. Gods.. very attributes are what makes him know.. Not the mantra uses of 4 letters.. Fighting over a name... when you ..know yourself that it was lost ..years ago.. WAKE.. Read his word.. sing his praises.. All ..he ever really wanted..was for mankind to worship him.. only.. Not make a GOD..out of a NAME..
Where did you get your idea that the name of God was lost. You can visit all meuseums with Biblical artifacts. And you can't deny that the name of God didn't exist. Hahaha... When the time come you will be forced to accept the name of Jehovah God. Can't you hear yourself trying to refute what you can't refute.
KulatJr

Makati, Philippines

#580 Apr 1, 2013
CIA Free wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, enlighten us. I love to learn.
I'm not pompous like the Watchtower Society and Jehovah's Witnesses so as to think that I can't be taught anything from those who do not share my exact view of the world.
Also, unlike you, I make it a point to always be civil even when I know things others do not and I don't try to insult them or attempt to demean them in any way. Is that what you are taught in the Watchtower's religion these days?
CIA Free.

So you're admitting that you don't really know what you're trying to refute. Hahaha... It shows that you are a liar. You said you know the whole history, but the fact is you don't really know anuthing. Hahaha... You are a FAKE and a pretender. Hahaha... You are exposed!
KulatJr

Makati, Philippines

#581 Apr 1, 2013
CIA Free wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm still waiting...
Are you going to teach me something or not?
Regardless, Jehovah is NOT God's name. It's only become the "accepted" English version of God's name. Just like the NWT, it's not the original Bible, it's only the version that YOU people accept.
Do you understand now? It's the same thing. Just because YOU say it's right means absolutely nothing. As fast as God's name is concerned, nothing about it was recorded for us in the New Testament. Jesus' apostles were not inspired by God to write it down and emphasize the use of it as Witnesses do.
Hebrews 1:1 says, "GOD, who long ago spoke by means of His prophets, his in these days spoken to us by means of a Son."
This was the perfect opportunity to stress the use of God's holy name by the early Christians, yet the inspired writer uses "God" in reference to the Father of our Lord Jesus.
It is this GOD Almighty that we serve. Whether you choose to acknowledge that makes no difference to us. It changes nothing. You are not the first religion to use the name Jehovah and you won't be the last, unfortunately.
Once I'm in heaven and my Father God through my faith in His only-begotten Son wishes to reveal His name to me, then I will know His great name accurately and some concocted name manufactured by imperfect humans.
CIA Free.

You even used Hebrews 1:1 which points out that "God spoke by means of His propehts"

Now, did God's propehts used his personal name or not?

You can't deny it. The propehts used the TETRAGRAMMATON(Translated in our modern language as Jehovah) which you can find in the Hebrew Scriptures more or less 7,000 times.

And this thing you said "Once I'm in heaven and my Father God through my faith in His only-begotten Son wishes to reveal His name to me, then I will know His great name accurately and some concocted name manufactured by imperfect humans." God won't choose persons who refute His name, just like you. The TRUE desciples of Jesus Christ and those who were taught by God, doesn't need to go heaven first before knowing the NAME of Jesus' Father and God. Why? It was clearly said by Jesus himself while he was praying to his Father and God which was recorded at John 17:6

"I have made your name manifest to the men you gave me out of the world. They were yours, and you gave them to me, and they have observed your word."

It is clear that you are FAKE and a pretender follower of Christ. True Christians use God's Name and doesn't hide it.
You are EXPOSED again! Hahaha...
KulatJr

Makati, Philippines

#582 Apr 1, 2013
CIA Free wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm still waiting...
Are you going to teach me something or not?
Regardless, Jehovah is NOT God's name. It's only become the "accepted" English version of God's name. Just like the NWT, it's not the original Bible, it's only the version that YOU people accept.
Do you understand now? It's the same thing. Just because YOU say it's right means absolutely nothing. As fast as God's name is concerned, nothing about it was recorded for us in the New Testament. Jesus' apostles were not inspired by God to write it down and emphasize the use of it as Witnesses do.
Hebrews 1:1 says, "GOD, who long ago spoke by means of His prophets, his in these days spoken to us by means of a Son."
This was the perfect opportunity to stress the use of God's holy name by the early Christians, yet the inspired writer uses "God" in reference to the Father of our Lord Jesus.
It is this GOD Almighty that we serve. Whether you choose to acknowledge that makes no difference to us. It changes nothing. You are not the first religion to use the name Jehovah and you won't be the last, unfortunately.
Once I'm in heaven and my Father God through my faith in His only-begotten Son wishes to reveal His name to me, then I will know His great name accurately and some concocted name manufactured by imperfect humans.
CIA Free.

You are showing YOUR FOOLISHNESS from your comments.
You said from your comment above "concocted name manufactured by imperfect humans." Are you using original Hebrew manuscripts or version of the Bible translated in our modern languages? We all know that you are using Bible translated in our modern languages. And all the names in the Bible we are using were all translation to our modern languages. But why is it that the only name you can't accept is the name of the most important person in the universe, which is God? And now you're saying you are serving the Almighty God which have a modern translation name Jehovah, that you don't want to accept and use. Hahaha... Your excuses were all illogical. Hahaha...Exposed again! Hahaha...

Since: Feb 09

Raleigh, NC

#583 Apr 1, 2013
KulatJr wrote:
<quoted text>
CIA Free.
So you're admitting that you don't really know what you're trying to refute. Hahaha... It shows that you are a liar. You said you know the whole history, but the fact is you don't really know anuthing. Hahaha... You are a FAKE and a pretender. Hahaha... You are exposed!
I'm starting to think that you have nothing to offer by way of an answer to the question you asked me earlier. I already admitted to not knowing EVERYTHING about the history of God's name. Do you know EVERYTHING? If so, share it.

Since: Feb 09

Raleigh, NC

#584 Apr 1, 2013
KulatJr wrote:
<quoted text>
CIA Free.
You even used Hebrews 1:1 which points out that "God spoke by means of His propehts"
Now, did God's propehts used his personal name or not?
You can't deny it. The propehts used the TETRAGRAMMATON(Translated in our modern language as Jehovah) which you can find in the Hebrew Scriptures more or less 7,000 times.
And this thing you said "Once I'm in heaven and my Father God through my faith in His only-begotten Son wishes to reveal His name to me, then I will know His great name accurately and some concocted name manufactured by imperfect humans." God won't choose persons who refute His name, just like you. The TRUE desciples of Jesus Christ and those who were taught by God, doesn't need to go heaven first before knowing the NAME of Jesus' Father and God. Why? It was clearly said by Jesus himself while he was praying to his Father and God which was recorded at John 17:6
"I have made your name manifest to the men you gave me out of the world. They were yours, and you gave them to me, and they have observed your word."
It is clear that you are FAKE and a pretender follower of Christ. True Christians use God's Name and doesn't hide it.
You are EXPOSED again! Hahaha...
But again, the problem is you nor any other man alive knows the correct spelling and pronunciation of God's name. Any who claims different, is like the devil, liar.

The Watchtower is at least admits that the pronunciation of God's name today is unknown. Your arrogance is obviously still in tact.

Since: Feb 09

Raleigh, NC

#585 Apr 1, 2013
KulatJr wrote:
<quoted text>
CIA Free.
You are showing YOUR FOOLISHNESS from your comments.
You said from your comment above "concocted name manufactured by imperfect humans." Are you using original Hebrew manuscripts or version of the Bible translated in our modern languages? We all know that you are using Bible translated in our modern languages. And all the names in the Bible we are using were all translation to our modern languages. But why is it that the only name you can't accept is the name of the most important person in the universe, which is God? And now you're saying you are serving the Almighty God which have a modern translation name Jehovah, that you don't want to accept and use. Hahaha... Your excuses were all illogical. Hahaha...Exposed again! Hahaha...
The Watchtower Society has openly admitted that YHWH or Yahweh is the accurate usage of God's name but they have opted to use the English translation of the name Jehovah because of people's FAMILIARITY with it!!!

So even while they KNOW that Yahweh is more accurate, they use Jehovah because more people know that name. Unbelievable!

What's even more astounding is that they know the correct pronunciation of God's name has been lost for ages. Therefore, whatever you are calling God just isn't right at all.

That is why Jesus' apostles never wrote about the name, but only called Him God or Father.

What's worse? Admitting to not knowing a person's name or insisting on calling Jim by the name of Bob?

ONLY Jehovah's Witnesses insist of calling Almighty God by the wrong name!

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#586 Apr 1, 2013
KulatJr wrote:
<quoted text>
Where did you get your idea that the name of God was lost. You can visit all meuseums with Biblical artifacts. And you can't deny that the name of God didn't exist. Hahaha... When the time come you will be forced to accept the name of Jehovah God. Can't you hear yourself trying to refute what you can't refute.
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. Well..maybe... I doubt it.. but until then.. GOD..is the supreme being.. AND.. I don't have to take man's word for it..It.. is engraved on my heart.. And I certainly wouldn't be looking down on other that worship him...just because they don't except... the name that evolved a few 100 years ago..as gospel... There are people on here ..that for some reason ..think that every word written in these bibles is inspired by GOD.. And that God wouldn't allow it to be changed... I don't refute that he may have inspired the original.. But ..fact is no one has access to the originals... And I do kind of look at the ones that gathered the writings And deemed said books as bible ..at best.. iffy to be trusted..
And one only has to read the different renderings to see some have changed things to suit themself... The bible is for teaching...reproving..and setting things straight... AND according to GOD.. each of us should be reading it.. Meaning not relying on Man's ever changing understanding.. It also say it fully equipes us for every good work? Do you know what that means..(FULLY EQUIPES?) it leads credence to Solomon's words in the tail end of ECC.12:
KulatJr

Makati, Philippines

#587 Apr 7, 2013
CIA Free wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm starting to think that you have nothing to offer by way of an answer to the question you asked me earlier. I already admitted to not knowing EVERYTHING about the history of God's name. Do you know EVERYTHING? If so, share it.
CIA Free.

It is you who can't offer anything. Remember you're the one who's saying that Jehovah is not the name of the Almighty God. Hahaha...

But when your knowledge was tested if you really know what you are trying to refute, you don't have any idea and don't even know a thing. Hahaha... You are exposed!!! You are FAKE and a LIAR. Hahaha...

Do you want me to give you a clue? Hahaha...
I'll leave my question to you as your assignment.

Since: Feb 09

Raleigh, NC

#588 Apr 7, 2013
KulatJr wrote:
<quoted text>
CIA Free.
It is you who can't offer anything. Remember you're the one who's saying that Jehovah is not the name of the Almighty God. Hahaha...
But when your knowledge was tested if you really know what you are trying to refute, you don't have any idea and don't even know a thing. Hahaha... You are exposed!!! You are FAKE and a LIAR. Hahaha...
Do you want me to give you a clue? Hahaha...
I'll leave my question to you as your assignment.
You know what, don't bother. You are a complete waste of my time.

My purpose here is to educate and warn people about the Watchtower's religious culture known as Jehovah's Witnesses.

They need to understand that the Watchtower Society with it's so-called Governing "slave class" Body is a fraud. It is not "God's organization" because God has nothing to do with liars and He could care less about what they claim.

Their use of the name "Jehovah" is meaningless add nothing to their credibility. If anything, it does a great disservice to God Almighty for them to even imagine association with Him. God likely "covers" His face when they use that fake name to approach Him.

The Watchtower's religion has a history of false prophet leaders with their fixed dates for God's destruction of the world. They have falsely predicted the complete burning of Christendom and the resurrection of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the 1920s.

One fool who called himself an "ass" went so far as to build a mansion for Abraham to live in after his resurrection. However, interestingly he chose to occupy and use the house before his return and when Abraham did not come back, he continued to live their until his miserable, wretched, lying, alcoholic life came to an end. He did manage to get one prophecy right because his death certificate said that he has suffered with severe problems in his anus. He definitely was an pain in the ass!

Today Witnesses are no closer to the truth or God Almighty. Each year they one by one reject the "blood and flesh" that Jesus gave in their behalf at their annual memorials. They continue their practice of expeling those lifelong, loyal members who begin to suspect that some of their beliefs are not exactly right.

The organization of Jehovah's Witnesses has some very serious problems. Next year will be the 100th anniversary of their 1914 date for the last days.

Imagine that, for over a century the Watchtower has predicted the end of this world at Armageddon BEFORE the people of the 1914 generation passes away. How embarrassing!
KulatJr

Asia/Pacific Region

#589 Apr 17, 2013
CIA Free wrote:
<quoted text>
You know what, don't bother. You are a complete waste of my time.
My purpose here is to educate and warn people about the Watchtower's religious culture known as Jehovah's Witnesses.
They need to understand that the Watchtower Society with it's so-called Governing "slave class" Body is a fraud. It is not "God's organization" because God has nothing to do with liars and He could care less about what they claim.
Their use of the name "Jehovah" is meaningless add nothing to their credibility. If anything, it does a great disservice to God Almighty for them to even imagine association with Him. God likely "covers" His face when they use that fake name to approach Him.
The Watchtower's religion has a history of false prophet leaders with their fixed dates for God's destruction of the world. They have falsely predicted the complete burning of Christendom and the resurrection of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the 1920s.
One fool who called himself an "ass" went so far as to build a mansion for Abraham to live in after his resurrection. However, interestingly he chose to occupy and use the house before his return and when Abraham did not come back, he continued to live their until his miserable, wretched, lying, alcoholic life came to an end. He did manage to get one prophecy right because his death certificate said that he has suffered with severe problems in his anus. He definitely was an pain in the ass!
Today Witnesses are no closer to the truth or God Almighty. Each year they one by one reject the "blood and flesh" that Jesus gave in their behalf at their annual memorials. They continue their practice of expeling those lifelong, loyal members who begin to suspect that some of their beliefs are not exactly right.
The organization of Jehovah's Witnesses has some very serious problems. Next year will be the 100th anniversary of their 1914 date for the last days.
Imagine that, for over a century the Watchtower has predicted the end of this world at Armageddon BEFORE the people of the 1914 generation passes away. How embarrassing!
CIA Free.

I can see from your comments that you are trying to evade my question, by bringing up other subjects. Hahaha... You can't excape the question which will show your incompetence. Hahaha...

Again, "What is the phonetic system used by Abraham and Moses, and how was it related to "J" pronounciatio?"

Dear viewers of this thread.

Notice the comments from CIA Free. He will change the subject to evade the question which will show his incompetence and ignorance on the modern translation of the name of God which is Jehovah.

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#590 Apr 17, 2013
In the New World Translation (NWT), the Bible of the Jehovah's Witnesses, we read the following:
Therefore, the foremost feature of this translation is the restoration of the divine name to its rightful place in the English text. It has been done, using the commonly accepted English form "Jehovah" 6,973 times in the Hebrews Scriptures and 237 times in the Christian Greek Scriptures.
New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures with References, Revised 1984, p. 6.

Since one of the outstanding features of the NWT is their abundant usage of the word Jehovah, how can they elsewhere admit that Yahweh is the more correct way to render God's name?

While inclining to view the pronunciation "Yah.weh" as the more correct way, we have retained the form "Jehovah" because of people's familiarity with it since the 14th century. Ibid., p. 23.

Why then did the NWT forfeit accuracy to use the word Jehovah, which began to be used in the 14th century? Their answer is because of people's familiarity with it. That is another way of saying that they have upheld the traditions of man's inventions since the 14th century at the expense of truth and accuracy, which they knew about.

How can the NWT claim that Jehovah is the restoration of the divine name to its rightful place in the English text, since they openly admit Yahweh is more correct?

Shouldn't they rather have stated that knowingly they have omitted the more correct name for God, that is Yahweh, and substituted a different name which began to be used in the 14th century -- Jehovah.

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