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“EXPOSING CHURCHianity!”

Since: Oct 07

Seattle, WA

#1 Sep 25, 2012
Ex 3:14- And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said,
Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
15- And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children
of Israel,

---> Jehovah, <----

the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of
Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you:
this is my name

----> FOREVER, <----

and this is my memorial unto all generations.

Neither Judiasm, Koine Greek, nor the foul Trinity Dogma can change that.

FINALLY, the Name "Jesus" in Hebrew means "the Salvation of JEHOVAH"!

It has been proposed that the original text of the Christian Scriptures (New Testament) included the
Tetragrammaton. See The Anchor Bible Dictionary, Vol. 6, pp. 392, 393 ("Tetragrammaton in the New Testament").

“EXPOSING CHURCHianity!”

Since: Oct 07

Seattle, WA

#2 Sep 25, 2012
Archaeologists have discovered papyrus fragments of the New Testament dating as
far back as the middle of the second century. Of all 5,000 extant manuscripts, none
contains either the Hebrew or Greek transliterations of the Hebrew name . One of the
most ancient fragments, the papyrus codex designated Chester Beatty Papyrus No. 2 P46,
is dated prior to AD 200 and contains nine of the apostle Paul's letters. In the Chester
Beatty papyri, we find ?S and sometimes TS with a horizontal bar above them where
the tetragrammaton occurs in the Hebrew text. These are abbreviations for kurios
(?????? "lord") and theos (?e?? "god"). Some scholars think that these abbreviations
were not part of the autographs and thus were added some time later,[1] concluding
that YHWH did indeed occur in the NT.[2]

An article by George Howard in the March 1978 issue of Biblical Archaeology Review
set forth a theory that YHWH appeared in the New Testament and that "the removal of
the Tetragrammaton from the New Testament and its replacement with the surrogates
kyrios and theos blurred the original distinction between the Lord God and the Lord Christ."

“EXPOSING CHURCHianity!”

Since: Oct 07

Seattle, WA

#3 Sep 25, 2012
They can play the Pronunciation Game, they can use all the Bibles that REMOVE it over 6,900 times, they can spew the Twinity Dogma til their Dying Day- and it changes NOTHING!

Jehovah.
The ONLY true God.
The God and Father of Jesus Christ.

And of Jehovah's Witnesses.

“EXPOSING CHURCHianity!”

Since: Oct 07

Seattle, WA

#4 Sep 25, 2012
The papyrus codex designated Chester Beatty Papyrus No. 2 P46, is dated about to AD 200 and contains nine of the
Apostle Paul's letters.

[VERY close to the originals, which are long gone- for now!]

In the Chester Beatty Papyri, we find ?C and sometimes TC with a horizontal bar above them in citations of the Hebrew Bible where the Tetragrammaton occurs in the Hebrew text.

These are abbreviations for kyrios (KYPIOC "lord") and theos
(TEOC "God") normally known as nomina sacra ("sacred names").

Some scholars propose that such space-saving abbreviation was very common throughout costly, ancient manuscripts.

Other scholars believe that this practice was based on the Hebrew consonantal writing, especially related to the extreme care for the word ????(YHWH).

For centuries, scholars rejected the idea of the existence of the Tetragrammaton in the copies of the Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible (Old Testament). During recent decades, though,
a number of very ancient manuscripts have been discovered using SOME form of the Tetragrammaton into the Greek text.

“Truth is where you find it”

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#5 Sep 25, 2012
If your purpose was to promote the true God, Mad, I would be right along with you. But that, unfortunately, is only a secondary issue with you. Your whole purpose here is to promote the WTBTS.

Yes Jehovah is the true God. I see nothing wrong with putting his name in the Greek scriptures where it is quoting the Hebrew. I see nothing wrong with putting Gods name in the Greek scriptures where it makes linguistic sense, and there is the ability to distinguish whether it is God, or Jesus, being spoken of, as in "the Lord sent me", or "the Lord God said...".

People who object to it often have other motives than textual purity. Their own favorite versions often have as many inaccuracies and doctrinally altered verses as they accuse the NWT of having.

sidgi

“EXPOSING CHURCHianity!”

Since: Oct 07

Seattle, WA

#6 Sep 25, 2012
Sigi- why are you talking trash about my promoting the WTBS?

“Truth is where you find it”

Since: Jun 11

Location hidden

#7 Sep 25, 2012
the Mad JW wrote:
Sigi- why are you talking trash about my promoting the WTBS?
Well, I guess I think you could do better for yourself on the spiritual side of your life, and you are wasting the opportunity on a bunch of weasels. I read a lot of your bombast, and believe it or not I am one of these.....

. 15 However, the spiritual man examines indeed all things, but he himself is not examined by any man.

I don't believe I've ever called you a liar. I have called others here liars. I did so, because they were deliberately lying. Not because they had said something without thinking first. I know you wish the WTBTS to be the organization you believe it to be, and you post with that in mind. I wonder why you waste your time. It will never be what you wish it to be, nor could it be, because Jehovah did not begin their existence, nor does he bless them. I think that you should put your time and effort into knowing Jehovah, not giving Him lip-service through the auspices of the WTBTS.

sidgi

“EXPOSING CHURCHianity!”

Since: Oct 07

Seattle, WA

#8 Sep 26, 2012
There you go AGAIN!
Please refer to posts where I promote or glorify them; the WTBS are merely my fellow bro and sis- with their OWN faults and mistakes.

You are SERIOUSLY mistaken, however, is assuming I don not know my Lord and my God very well- AND that they are not blessing us...

Since: May 09

Chicago, IL

#9 Sep 26, 2012
Hello TMnJ,
the Mad JW wrote:
There you go AGAIN!
Please refer to posts where I promote or glorify them; the WTBS are merely my fellow bro and sis- with their OWN faults and mistakes.
You are SERIOUSLY mistaken, however, is assuming I don not know my Lord and my God very well- AND that they are not blessing us...
Easy there Mad, your moniker makes others think you are lock step in line with all the WTBTS teachings. But I know you have significant differences with them.

Anyway, onto your post. So you are posting the argument for Jehovah being stuck in all over the place in the New Testament... We certainly can argue that out.

This means that there was a planned and coordinated conspiracy to REMOVE the name from all the originals. When do you think this occurred?

Peace,
Bob

“EXPOSING CHURCHianity!”

Since: Oct 07

Seattle, WA

#10 Sep 26, 2012
Flunking, I never ASSume; been there, done that.
I merely posted what archaelologists discovered, and what Exodus 3 REALLY says.

Comprehension is YOUR problem.

Since: May 09

Chicago, IL

#11 Sep 26, 2012
Hello TMJ,
the Mad JW wrote:
Flunking, I never ASSume; been there, done that.
I merely posted what archaelologists discovered, and what Exodus 3 REALLY says.
Comprehension is YOUR problem.
Here is what you posted:
"Archaeologists have discovered papyrus fragments of the New Testament dating as far back as the middle of the second century. Of all 5,000 extant manuscripts, none contains either the Hebrew or Greek transliterations of the Hebrew name"

NONE contains... OK.

Then you post:
One of the
most ancient fragments, the papyrus codex designated Chester Beatty Papyrus No. 2 P46,
is dated prior to AD 200 and contains nine of the apostle Paul's letters. In the Chester
Beatty papyri, we find ?S and sometimes TS with a horizontal bar above them where
the tetragrammaton occurs in the Hebrew text. These are abbreviations for kurios
(?????? "lord") and theos (?e?? "god"). Some scholars think that these abbreviations
were not part of the autographs and thus were added some time later, concluding
that YHWH did indeed occur in the NT.

So there IS NO ACTUAL tetragrammaton found. They just THINK ?S and TS...

Do you agree with this analysis or are you just posting this stuff for entertainment purposes?

Peace,
Bob
dee lightful

Piedmont, SC

#12 Sep 26, 2012
the Mad JW wrote:
Ex 3:14- And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said,
Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
15- And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children
of Israel,
---> Jehovah, <----
the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of
Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you:
this is my name
----> FOREVER, <----
and this is my memorial unto all generations.
Neither Judiasm, Koine Greek, nor the foul Trinity Dogma can change that.
FINALLY, the Name "Jesus" in Hebrew means "the Salvation of JEHOVAH"!
It has been proposed that the original text of the Christian Scriptures (New Testament) included the
Tetragrammaton. See The Anchor Bible Dictionary, Vol. 6, pp. 392, 393 ("Tetragrammaton in the New Testament").
This what the WT has said regarding the name Jehovah,
While inclining to view the pronunciation "Yah.weh" as the more correct way, we have retained the form "Jehovah" because of people's familiarity with it since the 14th century.( The Kingdom Interlinear Translation of the Greek Scriptures, 1969, p23 ).
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How can the NWT claim that Jehovah is the restoration of the divine name to its rightful place in the English text, since they openly admit Yahweh is more correct? Shouldn't they rather have stated that knowingly they have omitted the more correct name for God, that is Yahweh, and substituted a different name which began to be used in the 14th century -- Jehovah. Furthermore, how can they claim that God's name Jehovah should be vindicated?
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By combining the vowel signs of 'Adho.nay and 'Elo.him' with the four consonants of the Tetragrammaton the pronunciations Yeho.wah' and Yehowih' were formed. The first of these provided the basis for the Latinized form "Jehova(h)." The first recorded use of this form dates from the thirteenth century C.E. Raymundus Martini, a Spanish monk of the Dominican Order, used it in his book Pugeo Fidei of the year 1270. Hebrew scholars generally favor "Yahweh" as the most likely pronunciation.( Aid to Bible Understanding, Watchtower Bible And Tract Society, 1971, pp. 884, 885.)
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NOTE the WT SAYS,"he first recorded use of this form dates from the thirteenth century C.E. Raymundus Martini, a Spanish monk of the Dominican Order, used it in his book Pugeo Fidei of the year 1270"
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then they say, Therefore, the foremost feature of this translation is the restoration of the divine name to its rightful place in the English text. It has been done, using the commonly accepted English form "Jehovah" 6,973 times in the Hebrews Scriptures and 237 times in the Christian Greek Scriptures.(New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures with References, Revised 1984, p. 6.)
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the Watchtower has exalted in their own literature the usage of the inaccurate name for God, Jehovah, to a salvation issue:
Have you been taught to use God's name, Jehovah? If not, your salvation is in jeopardy, for "everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved"!-- Acts 2:21; compare Joel 2:32.(The Watchtower, August 15, 1997, p. 6.)
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They say the name is inaccurate and yet they add that inaccurate name over 7000 times to the bible.
Here you have JW's fighting that the name is correct. That is what brain washing does for you... they fight for a tainted, satan inspired name that has been admittedly added to Gods scriptures.
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The NWT that no one else will use because it is corrupted and tainted.

“EXPOSING CHURCHianity!”

Since: Oct 07

Seattle, WA

#13 Sep 26, 2012
Flunking-I am posting what little evidence and clues there are as to why God's Name was removed.

DementedDee plays Queen Hippo (Hypocrite) again.
Has she stopped using the name "Jesus", yet?

She might as well as she is so busy denying everyhthing he said...and that Yehoshua is the "more correct name" for him...
Lannymac

New Iberia, LA

#14 Sep 26, 2012
Oh please, not the name game again

Yawn...idolaters who have made a pronunciation their idol are soooooooooo boring.

Lol...not to mention lost and pathethic.

“EXPOSING CHURCHianity!”

Since: Oct 07

Seattle, WA

#15 Sep 26, 2012
That self-description was Dead On, Tranny!

“EXPOSING CHURCHianity!”

Since: Oct 07

Seattle, WA

#16 Sep 26, 2012
He praises "the Lord-A", instead of his imaginary "LORDS".

“EXPOSING CHURCHianity!”

Since: Oct 07

Seattle, WA

#17 Sep 26, 2012
Which is PRECISELY why Churchianity replaced God's Name with the ambiguous title "LORD".
dee lightful

Piedmont, SC

#18 Sep 26, 2012
the Mad JW wrote:
Flunking-I am posting what little evidence and clues there are as to why God's Name was removed.
DementedDee plays Queen Hippo (Hypocrite) again.
Has she stopped using the name "Jesus", yet?
She might as well as she is so busy denying everyhthing he said...and that Yehoshua is the "more correct name" for him...
Hey, moron MAD, it is the WTS that says jehovah is inaccurate and it didn't appear till the year 1270. If you had a brain left after all the brain washing you would then know it could not have possibly in the bible. You are hoisted on your own petard and too stupid to know it.

Since: Aug 09

Location hidden

#19 Sep 26, 2012
dee lightful wrote:
<quoted text>Hey, moron MAD, it is the WTS that says jehovah is inaccurate and it didn't appear till the year 1270. If you had a brain left after all the brain washing you would then know it could not have possibly in the bible. You are hoisted on your own petard and too stupid to know it.
They actually don't say it's inaccurate, but you keep on spreading that lie if it makes you feel better.

“EXPOSING CHURCHianity!”

Since: Oct 07

Seattle, WA

#20 Sep 26, 2012
dee lightful wrote:
<quoted text>Hey, moron MAD, it is the WTS that says jehovah is inaccurate and it didn't appear till the year 1270. If you had a brain left after all the brain washing you would then know it could not have possibly in the bible. You are hoisted on your own petard and too stupid to know it.
Demented, REGARDLESS of who or how it came to be- it DID, and IS how His Name (that you spit on) in pronounced in English.

By denying HIM- you deny His son...thus are an AntiChrist.

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