The Hate Mongers

Since: Aug 12

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#124 Oct 26, 2013
NorthPeace wrote:
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Too funny. They spend over a century knocking on doors and after all this time all it means in real terms for JW is that damned ol' TIME CARD.
To tell you the truth, I never filled out time cards. My elders would dog me for it and I'd just tell them to fill them out for me, as they knew when I was out in service anyway. I just never liked the formality of it, I guess.
But "putting in time" is really nothing new for JW. As soon as WT theology made knocking on doors the "working out your salvation" thing, JWs been keen on getting in that card every month.
I remember back in the late 60's to early 70's many car groups would work a territory for an hour or so, then hit the local coffee shop and spoend an hour there, go back out for another hour then hit the BURGER BARON before finishing off with a half hour of actual door knocking - and then count 4 hours for the Sat morning.
I was no better as far as that goes to be honest. My closest friends in the cong were all brothers, and their dad was an elder. Now when we went out in service, their dad would send all of his boys and me in one car group while he and their mom and a couple of other older prunes would be the other group.
So one of my buds would always say Hey Dad, we'll take the rural, so off we'd go. And if it was a hot summer day, after an hour or so we'd be heading back to town for a case of beer, and then back outta Dodge on a back road to this river where we'd all have 3 or 4 beers and then on our way back to their family's house we'd stuff a few more mail boxes with Awakes...and we'd count 4 hours too. lol And then when we'd get to their house we're all in a good mood and their mom was not clued in at all, she's like - you guys must've had a good day in field service and her boys are like Oh yeah mom, we really enjoyed field service...
So for modern day JW - for God sakes, use some imagination. If you're going to make "getting your quota" a major priority, you're always going to be finding ways of PADDING your salvation account anyway so you may as well have some fun doing it :)
NorthPeace
Brilliant post, brings back fond memories. Down by the river/beach with a few beers, really looked forward to the ministry :)

“BIBLE TRUTHS *NEVER* CHANGE”

Since: Aug 09

LET GO AND LET GOD

#125 Oct 26, 2013
array wrote:
<quoted text>what happens is the getting in of time becomes a burden and and takes away any joy one has, many only go out the last few days of the month to get the some time for their report cards.

I see quite a few pioneers at malls and stations early morning just handing out leaflets to get their time in.

I used to be one of those, but one must really consider not the time but the quality of the ministry, just placing leaflets willy nilly is not really preaching or teaching, and most just place magazines at the door these days.
Admitted or not.....their goal becomes the focus on "the hours" instead of the MESSAGE OF HOPE that Jesus preached. Often, towards the end of the month....when for one reason or another....they are lacking a good many hours to reach the WT goal....we know that it DOES become a worrisome burden that is heavy on the heart.

How can they even THINK that God is concerned with the "hours" that man has set down....the quality of the message then dwindles in order to meet those man-made requirements when the goal IS to "make hours". Is THAT considered to be "giving one's BEST" or is the entire point lost as it has been all jumbled up together in WT-think?

“New one man.”

Since: Jan 11

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#126 Oct 26, 2013
Brother P wrote:
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Haha! Wow you guys were good, it was always 11:30ish for us. Must be far holier in America...or maybe just better weather than Scotland
Wow you guys are all slackers, we were out til no less than 2 pm, at least 3 days a week. I didn't do weekends as my husband was a non believer, even though he did not object. I always ended up with this young pioneer and she pushed to get in her hours. Between her and the elder's wife we never quit at noon. ;)

Since: Nov 09

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#127 Oct 26, 2013
MixedMedia wrote:
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Wow you guys are all slackers, we were out til no less than 2 pm, at least 3 days a week. I didn't do weekends as my husband was a non believer, even though he did not object. I always ended up with this young pioneer and she pushed to get in her hours. Between her and the elder's wife we never quit at noon. ;)
I remember meeting at the Kingdom Hall and having that short meeting and prayer at 9:30, then heading to the store for quick snacks, or to the donut shop for coffee and donuts. By this time it was getting close to 10:30 or so and we would then go out and knock on doors for about an hour then go to the pizza hut for lunch. The only time I remember going out for more than an hour is when the DO, or CO visited, or when one of the anointed came to visit our KH and went out with us. I bet you had good muscles in your legs staying out that long. ;)

“New one man.”

Since: Jan 11

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#128 Oct 26, 2013
The Real Karen wrote:
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I remember meeting at the Kingdom Hall and having that short meeting and prayer at 9:30, then heading to the store for quick snacks, or to the donut shop for coffee and donuts. By this time it was getting close to 10:30 or so and we would then go out and knock on doors for about an hour then go to the pizza hut for lunch. The only time I remember going out for more than an hour is when the DO, or CO visited, or when one of the anointed came to visit our KH and went out with us. I bet you had good muscles in your legs staying out that long. ;)
Oh we had plenty of stops as well. ;-)

Since: Jul 10

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#129 Oct 26, 2013
NorthPeace wrote:
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Too funny. They spend over a century knocking on doors and after all this time all it means in real terms for JW is that damned ol' TIME CARD.
To tell you the truth, I never filled out time cards. My elders would dog me for it and I'd just tell them to fill them out for me, as they knew when I was out in service anyway. I just never liked the formality of it, I guess.
But "putting in time" is really nothing new for JW. As soon as WT theology made knocking on doors the "working out your salvation" thing, JWs been keen on getting in that card every month.
I remember back in the late 60's to early 70's many car groups would work a territory for an hour or so, then hit the local coffee shop and spoend an hour there, go back out for another hour then hit the BURGER BARON before finishing off with a half hour of actual door knocking - and then count 4 hours for the Sat morning.
I was no better as far as that goes to be honest. My closest friends in the cong were all brothers, and their dad was an elder. Now when we went out in service, their dad would send all of his boys and me in one car group while he and their mom and a couple of other older prunes would be the other group.
So one of my buds would always say Hey Dad, we'll take the rural, so off we'd go. And if it was a hot summer day, after an hour or so we'd be heading back to town for a case of beer, and then back outta Dodge on a back road to this river where we'd all have 3 or 4 beers and then on our way back to their family's house we'd stuff a few more mail boxes with Awakes...and we'd count 4 hours too. lol And then when we'd get to their house we're all in a good mood and their mom was not clued in at all, she's like - you guys must've had a good day in field service and her boys are like Oh yeah mom, we really enjoyed field service...
So for modern day JW - for God sakes, use some imagination. If you're going to make "getting your quota" a major priority, you're always going to be finding ways of PADDING your salvation account anyway so you may as well have some fun doing it :)
NorthPeace
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. Ah! silly Goose.. the truth always comes out.. some time.. Hmm! Any how.. I agree that the filling out of a time sheet..was a sore spot with me to.. All we had is rural territory and if you went to 2 maybe 3 doors ..you were doing good.. That being said.. it went against my grain to claim time when you sincerely felt that you had done no preaching..(SO TO SPEAK) The WTS.. claims time for??? What reason?? other then to pat themselves on the back.. see how many hours we made them waste of their life this month... As to mag..being stuck in door.. Well.. I had been to door ..where those mag.. were still in the door.. DID YOU DO THAT??:)
NorthPeace

Camrose, Canada

#130 Oct 26, 2013
Maravilla wrote:
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. Ah! silly Goose.. the truth always comes out.. some time.. Hmm! Any how.. I agree that the filling out of a time sheet..was a sore spot with me to.. All we had is rural territory and if you went to 2 maybe 3 doors ..you were doing good.. That being said.. it went against my grain to claim time when you sincerely felt that you had done no preaching..(SO TO SPEAK) The WTS.. claims time for??? What reason?? other then to pat themselves on the back.. see how many hours we made them waste of their life this month... As to mag..being stuck in door.. Well.. I had been to door ..where those mag.. were still in the door.. DID YOU DO THAT??:)
I must confess...yes it was ME lol
The truth is we seldom made it past the mailbox...as most people familiar with rural life, especially as it was back then, Sat morning isn't exactly the opportune time to catch farm folk at home. This is going-to-town day for most...the old boy hits the local hardware store and maybe the barber shop while mom is doing the shopping or getting her hair done etc, so chances are you notice no vehicle in the drive so you don't even pull off the road, you just stuff a couple of mags in their mailbox and move on...8-track blaring...way more fun than working territories in town.

But like I said, we weren't the only ones padding our SALVATION ACCOUNT, we just had more fun doing it.

NorthPeace

Since: Jul 10

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#131 Oct 26, 2013
NorthPeace wrote:
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I must confess...yes it was ME lol
The truth is we seldom made it past the mailbox...as most people familiar with rural life, especially as it was back then, Sat morning isn't exactly the opportune time to catch farm folk at home. This is going-to-town day for most...the old boy hits the local hardware store and maybe the barber shop while mom is doing the shopping or getting her hair done etc, so chances are you notice no vehicle in the drive so you don't even pull off the road, you just stuff a couple of mags in their mailbox and move on...8-track blaring...way more fun than working territories in town.
But like I said, we weren't the only ones padding our SALVATION ACCOUNT, we just had more fun doing it.
NorthPeace
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. now..you get caught dumping something in someone's mailbox and it's a federal offence. But yes.. some did that back then.. Reflect though that the one you couldn't hide anything from ..saw it all... So the fear of MEN was the dominate factor..As some how.. people don't even give a spirit being a thought.. As a young person that is often the case.. BUT! as a graying old prune..( yes! I caught that ) Hmmm! Somehow the real God has made himself known.. he is real to me.. he is the calming factor in this life I live.. the staple that holds my very being together.. And I pray that many will see him as I do..

Since: Jul 11

Portadown

#132 Oct 26, 2013
Aneirin wrote:
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No.
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No it would not.
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As if you know anything about the writers of the watch towers nwt. You don't even know who they are/were.
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Sure he is. You know him so well.
Great to hear you believe God rather than the heretics of the watch tower who teach,Quote...
1983 To receive everlasting life in the earthly Paradise we must identify that organization and serve God as part of it.(Watchtower; Feb. 15, 1983; p. 12)

Do you know about the writers of the KJV? Aneirin? You posted derogatory remarks about them,would you like me to cnp them for you?

Tell us Aneirin,was Fred the liar Franz one of the writers of the watch towers nwt or not?

Come on smart mouth! lets examine in detail the "translation" of the watch towers nwt against the kjv?
UNchained

Kingsport, TN

#133 Oct 26, 2013
Jehovah's Witnesses have discovered a great new Field Service technique that beats knocking on doors and they don't have to talk with a single person to get their time in...

http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-...

Since: Jun 13

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#134 Oct 27, 2013
What's becoming more popular around here is witnessing at garage sales or yard sales.
NorthPeace

Camrose, Canada

#135 Oct 27, 2013
Matt9969 wrote:
What's becoming more popular around here is witnessing at garage sales or yard sales.
Hey Mister, how much for that stuffed penguin holding a magazine?

NorthPeace

“New one man.”

Since: Jan 11

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#136 Oct 27, 2013
NorthPeace wrote:
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Hey Mister, how much for that stuffed penguin holding a magazine?
NorthPeace
hahaha you need to be medicated.
Mandy Smithson

Stanmore, UK

#137 Oct 29, 2013
.Portadown

I'm studying with the Jehovah's Witnesses and I believe in God and so do all the brothers and sisters in my congregation. Maybe you ought to try visiting a Kingdom Hall so you can see for yourself just how they really are lovers of God if you haven't already then maybe just maybe you wouldn't be so critical.

“New one man.”

Since: Jan 11

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#139 Oct 29, 2013
Mandy Smithson wrote:
.Portadown
I'm studying with the Jehovah's Witnesses and I believe in God and so do all the brothers and sisters in my congregation. Maybe you ought to try visiting a Kingdom Hall so you can see for yourself just how they really are lovers of God if you haven't already then maybe just maybe you wouldn't be so critical.
Mmmm well, many or most of us here have been in a Kingdom Hall for a much much longer time than you apparently have if you are 'studying'. We all felt the 'love of God', at least for awhile. After you do some research with an open mind (something you are either currently or about to be taught is not good), you will find that the majority of JWs rank and file do have a love for God. What you need to investigate is the organization's policies on certain things, here's the short list:

Child molestation accusations,
Rape victims, the handling and accusations against the victim,
Blood Issue, the changes included,
The definition of 'this generation', and the changes concerning,
Who the Governing Body are and whether or not you must believe it and what would happen if you failed to believe who they say they are.

That will get you started. I don't get into too much dogma, as I think they can interpret and believe what they want, even though they do not afford that privilege and right to anyone else.

I wish you peace on your journey. Just one more thing, now that you are studying, you will be discouraged from investigating any other religion, I urge you to do so, make sure that you are doing what you feel is right for you. Now that you are studying with them, the logical conclusion is for you to be one. They are not studying with you just to inform you of what they think the bible says. The last couple of chapters of whatever book you are studying from will strongly suggest closing the deal.

Since: Feb 07

RI

#140 Oct 29, 2013
Mandy Smithson wrote:
.Portadown
I'm studying with the Jehovah's Witnesses and I believe in God and so do all the brothers and sisters in my congregation. Maybe you ought to try visiting a Kingdom Hall so you can see for yourself just how they really are lovers of God if you haven't already then maybe just maybe you wouldn't be so critical.
LOL You're studying. You are in the honeymoon period and all is wonderful and just peachy-keen.

Most of us were baptized JWs for decades and we are well aware of how the organization works, which is why we are critical of the less-than-rosy parts of the organization.

Read and learn...read and learn. Don't automatically dismiss the criticism, thinking that those who criticize do so simply because they are not familiar with the JW organization. We criticize because we ARE very, very familiar with it.
dee lightful

Stanley, NC

#141 Oct 29, 2013
Mandy Smithson wrote:
.Portadown
I'm studying with the Jehovah's Witnesses and I believe in God and so do all the brothers and sisters in my congregation. Maybe you ought to try visiting a Kingdom Hall so you can see for yourself just how they really are lovers of God if you haven't already then maybe just maybe you wouldn't be so critical.
Been there and done that. If you want the truth then you need to ask the following questions.
Ask where is the scripture that Jesus returned invisibly to pick them to be God's mouthpiece.
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Ask for a scripture that shows only they preach the truth and at the same time throw out that 'truth' that must be believe came from God on pain of death, that didn't come from god but from false teachers.
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Ask for a scripture that shows the WTO is necessary for salvation when Jesus said he is the only way to the Father and not an org.
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Ask for the scripture that says Jesus is the angel Michael.
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There are no such scriptures to verify the claims of the WTS who self profess themselves into the seat of God as well as Jesus, The WTS is built on a house of cards...false teachings and false prophecies.
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1 John 4:1 ESV
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.

El cacique

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#142 Oct 29, 2013
MixedMedia wrote:
<quoted text>
Mmmm well, many or most of us here have been in a Kingdom Hall for a much much longer time than you apparently have if you are 'studying'. We all felt the 'love of God', at least for awhile. After you do some research with an open mind (something you are either currently or about to be taught is not good), you will find that the majority of JWs rank and file do have a love for God. What you need to investigate is the organization's policies on certain things, here's the short list:
Child molestation accusations,
Rape victims, the handling and accusations against the victim,
Blood Issue, the changes included,
The definition of 'this generation', and the changes concerning,
Who the Governing Body are and whether or not you must believe it and what would happen if you failed to believe who they say they are.
That will get you started. I don't get into too much dogma, as I think they can interpret and believe what they want, even though they do not afford that privilege and right to anyone else.
I wish you peace on your journey. Just one more thing, now that you are studying, you will be discouraged from investigating any other religion, I urge you to do so, make sure that you are doing what you feel is right for you. Now that you are studying with them, the logical conclusion is for you to be one. They are not studying with you just to inform you of what they think the bible says. The last couple of chapters of whatever book you are studying from will strongly suggest closing the deal.
Interesting....Very interesting.

As they say give some enough rope........

MM is pretending all along that she has never been a witness. Then now she says her husband was an unbeliever.

She sounds pretty active to me. Don't ya think?.

I guess everything sooner or later does come out in the wash. True.

El cacique

Since: Dec 12

Location hidden

#143 Oct 29, 2013
MixedMedia wrote:
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Wow you guys are all slackers, we were out til no less than 2 pm, at least 3 days a week. I didn't do weekends as my husband was a non believer, even though he did not object. I always ended up with this young pioneer and she pushed to get in her hours. Between her and the elder's wife we never quit at noon. ;)
Hmmmmm.....
Mandy Smithson

Stanmore, UK

#144 Oct 29, 2013
MixedMedia.

I have been with several denominations before I started studying with the Jehovah's Witnesses, baptists church if England Methodist to name three I first accepted Christ into my life over 40 years ago and I turned my back on all of the differing denominations Why? Because I found out through my own study that Christ was NOT cruixified on a cross and I refused to follow churches who claimed to be Christian but who we're worshipping and claiming that something was holy - the cross - when in fact it is pagan. You claim to be a Christian Right then how can you claim that Christ was cruixified on a cross? When I found that out I stopped going to church because of what I learned and found out I never liked going to church anyway I never felt comfortable in a church I never felt I belonged or fitted in people were not welcoming so I stopped goin I never stopped praying or reading my Bible I never gave up hope I waited a long time but eventually two of Jehovah's Witnesses knocked on my door and that was it I never looked back I've ALWAYS felt wanted by the Jehovah's Witnesses and I've always felt I belonged two things I NEVER EVER felt with any other Christian group. Matthew says "Seek and you shall find" how right he was.
Jehovah's Witnesses are the most warm and loving people I just can't understand why people have such contempt for them.

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