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George

Victoria, Canada

#1 Feb 16, 2013
Born and raised jw well over 50 years ago.
I left after 20 odd years...not because I didn't believe it but I found pointless. After all I was a pioneer but the stress and constant round of meetings conventions etc. depressed me to the point that I was smoking. As there was no soul and once dead that's it. and if i did die its only a clone at best that gets re created. I thought what's the point. Even if i survived armageddon i could still lose out after 1000 years. So I gave it up. Thankfully later on I actually picked up a non jw bible and read it cover to cover......wow....what a message. Jesus is Lord and saviour. Freedom in Christ. Life had new meaning. My mother who even as a jw told me she hated me....turned me in to elders and i was df. like who cares right. my whole jw family are on anti depressents ......even if thier doctrine were true i could not accept it.....it has nothing to offer me....like sitting around a paradise earth growing my own food......forever....really... ..like kill me now. I am more solid in the hope that Jesus gives us for an assured life with him and the Father in heaven. Thankyou for saving me Jesus....and thankyou for all the doors slammed in my face to depress me enough to leave satans organization.
little lamb

Saint Albans, Australia

#3 Feb 16, 2013
Jesus says " true worshipers , will worship the father in spirit and truth"

that becomes a life style

And Jesus says unless you are born of spirit you can not 'see' the kingdom of God."

we need the spirit to see the things kindly given to us by God.

Which means Jehovah has called us to receive a blessing..The blessing can't be seen because it takes spiritual man to discern them.

Jesus also said " Unless anyone is born of spirit and water he can not enter the Kingdom of God."

Also baptism is not into a religion but into Christ and when we come up out of the waters having died with Christ, we are to walk in a "newness" of life.

The problem you are en-counting is because the SPIRIT is missing.
George

Victoria, Canada

#4 Feb 16, 2013
Sos wrote:
<quoted text>You loser!
You are filth!
Thankyou for re affirming I made the right decision ......may The Lord Jesus bless you.
George

Victoria, Canada

#5 Feb 16, 2013
Thankyou for your reply. But I have never felt so blessed in my walk with Jesus. Who is the same now and always was and always always will be. I have the answers to my questions and have been blessed to have brought people to Jesus . Which is odd when combined my family has over 150 years between them and they have not brought one person to the org. which to me is another blessing.
Jesus is King of Kings all glory to the Father through him Amen .
Jesus is the only way to the Father. I find great fellowship and I feel the Spirit working to help my fellow man in soup kitchens for that is where we find the poor and downtrodden in a non judgemental arena.

“John 4:23,24”

Since: Oct 09

Location hidden

#6 Feb 16, 2013
George wrote:
Born and raised jw well over 50 years ago.
I left after 20 odd years...not because I didn't believe it but I found pointless. After all I was a pioneer but the stress and constant round of meetings conventions etc. depressed me to the point that I was smoking. As there was no soul and once dead that's it. and if i did die its only a clone at best that gets re created. I thought what's the point. Even if i survived armageddon i could still lose out after 1000 years. So I gave it up. Thankfully later on I actually picked up a non jw bible and read it cover to cover......wow....what a message. Jesus is Lord and saviour. Freedom in Christ. Life had new meaning. My mother who even as a jw told me she hated me....turned me in to elders and i was df. like who cares right. my whole jw family are on anti depressents ......even if thier doctrine were true i could not accept it.....it has nothing to offer me....like sitting around a paradise earth growing my own food......forever....really... ..like kill me now. I am more solid in the hope that Jesus gives us for an assured life with him and the Father in heaven. Thankyou for saving me Jesus....and thankyou for all the doors slammed in my face to depress me enough to leave satans organization.
That's the longest and poorest excuse I have ever seen for smoking.
George

Victoria, Canada

#7 Feb 16, 2013
eagleeye2 wrote:
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That's the longest and poorest excuse I have ever seen for smoking.
Now that's funny.... really it made me laugh . But I found smoking good for stress.
Bless you for giving me a funny moment. I needed it after reading the pain inflicted on some people on this forum by satans organization .
God bless you.
little lamb

Brunswick West, Australia

#8 Feb 16, 2013
smoking to relieve stress is a false god..an idol

Jehovah God says "call upon me in the day of
dis-STRESS and I will rescue you."
George

Victoria, Canada

#9 Feb 16, 2013
little lamb wrote:
smoking to relieve stress is a false god..an idol
Jehovah God says "call upon me in the day of
dis-STRESS and I will rescue you."
Then why are so many jw's taking anti depressants .
watching tv. sports drinking is an idol. wearing makeup is vanity ....the list is endless ....I thank Jesus for his blood and my Father for his grace. I look at what he does for my soul this body is old deformed and not much use to me. But it carries my soul around so that I might help others in need. Give to the homeless without thinking what they are going to do with the fifty cents as in booze or drugs. Jesus said give to the poor. Not give to only believers or only to those who you are sure won't spend it on stuff you don't like. Before you take the splinter from your brothers eye....etc. However I myself don't have a problem with smoking ....nor do i have a problem with drink but i don't drink. Jesus looks at our hearts ...we are not saved by works lest we boast...we are put right with God by faith in the blood of Jesus .
God bless you for your comments and concern. sorry about caps etc trying to type on phone.
little lamb

Brunswick West, Australia

#10 Feb 16, 2013
George wrote:
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Then why are so many jw's taking anti depressants .
watching tv. sports drinking is an idol. wearing makeup is vanity ....the list is endless ....I thank Jesus for his blood and my Father for his grace. I look at what he does for my soul this body is old deformed and not much use to me. But it carries my soul around so that I might help others in need. Give to the homeless without thinking what they are going to do with the fifty cents as in booze or drugs. Jesus said give to the poor. Not give to only believers or only to those who you are sure won't spend it on stuff you don't like. Before you take the splinter from your brothers eye....etc. However I myself don't have a problem with smoking ....nor do i have a problem with drink but i don't drink. Jesus looks at our hearts ...we are not saved by works lest we boast...we are put right with God by faith in the blood of Jesus .
God bless you for your comments and concern. sorry about caps etc trying to type on phone.
Works don't save us..so why blow a trumpet about your acts of mercy?

Jesus came to call sinners to repentance and to 'sanctify' us by means of Holy Spirit.

how can you sin against the holy Spirit, by stating that it doesn't matter if you 'sin' as long as God sees your heart?

Hebrews 10 [29] Of how much more severe a punishment , do you think the man be counted worthy , who has trampled on the son of God, and who has esteemed of ordinary value the blood of the covenant by which he was SANCTIFIED, and who has OUTRAGED the SPIRIT of undeserved kindness with CONTEMPT."
George

Victoria, Canada

#11 Feb 16, 2013
little lamb wrote:
<quoted text>
Works don't save us..so why blow a trumpet about your acts of mercy?
Jesus came to call sinners to repentance and to 'sanctify' us by means of Holy Spirit.
how can you sin against the holy Spirit, by stating that it doesn't matter if you 'sin' as long as God sees your heart?
Hebrews 10 [29] Of how much more severe a punishment , do you think the man be counted worthy , who has trampled on the son of God, and who has esteemed of ordinary value the blood of the covenant by which he was SANCTIFIED, and who has OUTRAGED the SPIRIT of undeserved kindness with CONTEMPT."
Sorry if it sounded as if i was blowing a trumpet...i don't view it as that. If you are putting everyone under the law then you better make sure you don't break the least of the law. Myself i put myself under the grace of God who loves me so much he gave his only begotton Son for me. I do not see smoking as a sin. if you do then i hope you don't smoke. but i am not under any jw doctrine nor ever will be. its a cult a satanic one at that. Known to have made numerous false prophecies which scriptures tell us how to discern a false prophet. The god of jw's does not inspire fear as when you die what can he do....nothing. unless he recreated a copy of me just to kill it again but still does not make me worry. My God on the other hand tells me that fear of the Lord is the begining of wisdom. But with my work i mentioned is not because i think it is what Jesus wants me to do its because of Jesus i want to do it. When i was jw i never saw nor heard of jw soup kitchens. as a jw you don't give to charity . the org. wants you to send the money to them and they say they will pass it on. the aid they sent to the Mexico quake was for the jw's and consisted of mainly litreature .
May Jesus bless you and open your eyes .
little lamb

Rye, Australia

#12 Feb 16, 2013
George wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry if it sounded as if i was blowing a trumpet...i don't view it as that. If you are putting everyone under the law then you better make sure you don't break the least of the law. Myself i put myself under the grace of God who loves me so much he gave his only begotton Son for me. I do not see smoking as a sin. if you do then i hope you don't smoke. but i am not under any jw doctrine nor ever will be. its a cult a satanic one at that. Known to have made numerous false prophecies which scriptures tell us how to discern a false prophet. The god of jw's does not inspire fear as when you die what can he do....nothing. unless he recreated a copy of me just to kill it again but still does not make me worry. My God on the other hand tells me that fear of the Lord is the begining of wisdom. But with my work i mentioned is not because i think it is what Jesus wants me to do its because of Jesus i want to do it. When i was jw i never saw nor heard of jw soup kitchens. as a jw you don't give to charity . the org. wants you to send the money to them and they say they will pass it on. the aid they sent to the Mexico quake was for the jw's and consisted of mainly litreature .
May Jesus bless you and open your eyes .
Fear of Jehovah is also a 'turning away from bad'

Not a preaching of lawlessness.

The wages sin pays is death.

And the smoking lobby for years have been fighting the fact that tobacco causes emphysema, and cancers , let alone make it uncomfortable for anyone sitting in the vicinity of these walking polluting chimneys.

Its a pollution..

By the way ..Its 'fear of Jehovah, that is the beginning of wisdom'...not the fear of an organization called Jehovah..
George

Victoria, Canada

#13 Feb 16, 2013
little lamb wrote:
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Fear of Jehovah is also a 'turning away from bad'
Not a preaching of lawlessness.
The wages sin pays is death.
And the smoking lobby for years have been fighting the fact that tobacco causes emphysema, and cancers , let alone make it uncomfortable for anyone sitting in the vicinity of these walking polluting chimneys.
Its a pollution..
By the way ..Its 'fear of Jehovah, that is the beginning of wisdom'...not the fear of an organization called Jehovah..
Firstly jw's smoked a lot until 1966. I was jw then. i am not interested in lobbies or what they say. In the 70's the lobbies said everyone needed vaccinations yet jw's would not get them till later before that it was acceptable for a jw to go to Mexico and have a fake vaccination mark to make it look like they had it. jw's died because the org. said no to blood. yet in Europe they signed the agreement that suddenly it was up to individual . so i don't think your org. rules apply to me. I have no fear of jw god. i most certainly don't fear the org. If only for the reasons stated above. No soul equals no fear of jw god. i have no interest in living forever on earth. unless its to be with Jesus i have no interest .
God bless

Since: Sep 11

Brantford, Canada

#14 Feb 16, 2013
little lamb wrote:
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Works don't save us..so why blow a trumpet about your acts of mercy?
Jesus came to call sinners to repentance and to 'sanctify' us by means of Holy Spirit.
how can you sin against the holy Spirit, by stating that it doesn't matter if you 'sin' as long as God sees your heart?
Hebrews 10 [29] Of how much more severe a punishment , do you think the man be counted worthy , who has trampled on the son of God, and who has esteemed of ordinary value the blood of the covenant by which he was SANCTIFIED, and who has OUTRAGED the SPIRIT of undeserved kindness with CONTEMPT."
If only you could blow your horn about your acts of mercy, and not just go on about how you wish you were a man. What a sad life
little lamb

Perth, Australia

#15 Feb 16, 2013
Stingo wrote:
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If only you could blow your horn about your acts of mercy, and not just go on about how you wish you were a man. What a sad life
You worry too much about what you think I am , because you chose not to help your dying friend because of your cowardliness, and instead came on here instead dribbling in your drunken stupor.

You never liked being showed up as you used the forum to get pity for yourself
rather then care about your friend..so have a look at your own pathetic life.
little lamb

Australia

#16 Feb 17, 2013
George wrote:
<quoted text>
Firstly jw's smoked a lot until 1966. I was jw then. i am not interested in lobbies or what they say. In the 70's the lobbies said everyone needed vaccinations yet jw's would not get them till later before that it was acceptable for a jw to go to Mexico and have a fake vaccination mark to make it look like they had it. jw's died because the org. said no to blood. yet in Europe they signed the agreement that suddenly it was up to individual . so i don't think your org. rules apply to me. I have no fear of jw god. i most certainly don't fear the org. If only for the reasons stated above. No soul equals no fear of jw god. i have no interest in living forever on earth. unless its to be with Jesus i have no interest .
God bless
I believe that there is a difference between an organization and Jehovah God.

Jesus came to mediate a new covenant between God and men..not form an organization for us to join.

In mediating the new covenant..Jehovah promises to write his Laws in our hearts and minds..

I am not surprised at the falsehood and duplicity , that is in the organization members..but I do know a true Christian upholds Gods law...and I know from scripture his Law on BLOOD FORNICATION and IDOLATRY, and I do know when someone is trying to change the Law or to encourage others to break it.
Reality

United States

#17 Feb 17, 2013
eagleeye2 wrote:
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That's the longest and poorest excuse I have ever seen for smoking.
What's the shortest and best excuse you have ever seen for smoking?
Still Yahoo Me

Antigo, WI

#18 Feb 17, 2013
eagleeye2 wrote:
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That's the longest and poorest excuse I have ever seen for smoking.
Hey Carolyn/EE, doesnt You Over 30 year Failed and kicked out "bible student" DEbra/CCC Smoke ?

I heard the Elders will NOT even go near her smoke filled, nasty smellin home?

Besides they DID INDEED say she "IS A TOOL OF SATAN"...

Wow, so the Guy smokes, BIG DEAL..Its better than what YOU ALL have DONE "BLOOD GUILTY OLD BATTLE AXE"..

And YOu going TO CHURCH "DRUNK"and haveing UNMARRIED SEX with All kind of Men AFTER bar closeing I think is a bit more serious than him smoking..
Carolyn/EE you should be ashamed of yourself, and how dare you try and put down ONE OF JESUS FOLLOWERS?

HYPO-CRITE!!!
Still Yahoo Me

Antigo, WI

#19 Feb 17, 2013
George wrote:
Born and raised jw well over 50 years ago.
I left after 20 odd years...not because I didn't believe it but I found pointless. After all I was a pioneer but the stress and constant round of meetings conventions etc. depressed me to the point that I was smoking. As there was no soul and once dead that's it. and if i did die its only a clone at best that gets re created. I thought what's the point. Even if i survived armageddon i could still lose out after 1000 years. So I gave it up. Thankfully later on I actually picked up a non jw bible and read it cover to cover......wow....what a message. Jesus is Lord and saviour. Freedom in Christ. Life had new meaning. My mother who even as a jw told me she hated me....turned me in to elders and i was df. like who cares right. my whole jw family are on anti depressents ......even if thier doctrine were true i could not accept it.....it has nothing to offer me....like sitting around a paradise earth growing my own food......forever....really... ..like kill me now. I am more solid in the hope that Jesus gives us for an assured life with him and the Father in heaven. Thankyou for saving me Jesus....and thankyou for all the doors slammed in my face to depress me enough to leave satans organization.
***WELCOME GEORGE***

BRAVO...BRAVO...

You had the Guts and GODs blessings into Ling this dangerous CULT, and I KNOW 1st hand its NOT easy..

Be PROUD you found JESUS and he found YOU...

Who cares if you smoke, I mean y should know some of these people on here, example I see CAROLYN/EE has already put her GOSSIPING "DRUNKIN" cents in?

PLEASE IGNORE this crazy OLD COW, shes been on here for many many years,And the ONLY reason shes here is, because God tollerates all kinds,BUT dont let her and her "MOOOO-CREWWWW"( a Few other swine) get you upset, basically shes here due to the "DEVIL"has to show up somewhere and what better place than here? Shes sleepin w/ the "DEVIL" and her demons re here basically by her demands..

She falsely claims shes a JW"S but we all know better and have done research on this CYBER "CRIMINAL", yes, I said CRIMINAL..

She and her Demon friends REALLY do many ILLEGAL CYBER CRIMES..

And have been ACTIVELLY repremended BY THE LAW to Stop their ILLEGAL activities, BUT they have not..I can Not say anymore due to a few surprises coming there way for their illegal crimes agianst me and true christians like yourself on here..

So pull up a seat George, and enjoy the show, feel free to jump in when ever you feel..
Hope you post more..Jesus found you, now your safe...

Since: Sep 11

Brantford, Canada

#20 Feb 17, 2013
little lamb wrote:
<quoted text>
You worry too much about what you think I am , because you chose not to help your dying friend because of your cowardliness, and instead came on here instead dribbling in your drunken stupor.
You never liked being showed up as you used the forum to get pity for yourself
rather then care about your friend..so have a look at your own pathetic life.
Jesus? Is that you?
George

Victoria, Canada

#22 Feb 17, 2013
Still Yahoo Me wrote:
<quoted text>
***WELCOME GEORGE***
BRAVO...BRAVO...
You had the Guts and GODs blessings into Ling this dangerous CULT, and I KNOW 1st hand its NOT easy..
Be PROUD you found JESUS and he found YOU...
Who cares if you smoke, I mean y should know some of these people on here, example I see CAROLYN/EE has already put her GOSSIPING "DRUNKIN" ce
nts in?
PLEASE IGNORE this crazy OLD COW, shes been on here for many many years,And the ONLY reason shes here is, because God tollerates all kinds,BUT dont let her and her "MOOOO-CREWWWW"( a Few other swine) get you upset, basically shes here due to the "DEVIL"has to show up somewhere and what better place than here? Shes sleepin w/ the "DEVIL" and her demons re here basically by her demands..
She falsely claims shes a JW"S but we all know better and have done research on this CYBER "CRIMINAL", yes, I said CRIMINAL..
She and her Demon friends REALLY do many ILLEGAL CYBER CRIMES..
And have been ACTIVELLY repremended BY THE LAW to Stop their ILLEGAL activities, BUT they have not..I can Not say anymore due to a few surprises coming there way for their illegal crimes agianst me and true christians like yourself on here..
So pull up a seat George, and enjoy the show, feel free to jump in when ever you feel..
Hope you post more..Jesus found you, now your safe...
Thankyou for the welcome . I know i am not perfect and fall short of Gods glory. I wish people would understand that if we could be the same as Jesus then there would have been no reason for our Lord to shed his blood on the cross. Because its impossible to be the same as Jesus as we are imperfect through Adams fall. We are not sinners because we sin....we sin because we are sinners born into sin. Its like replace sin with infection....we are all born infected there is a treatment that leads to a cure and the cure is Jesus who will treat us in this infected body until he returns or our body dies. We are new creatures ......really we are for we may have troubles and sickness in this body in this life but we are assured by our Lord that should we die before his glorious return we will be raised up to be with him in a glorified body. That is the hope he gives his followers. The same hope he gave the criminal on the cross next to him. smoking is not going to prevent that. Who cares what rules a man made org. makes or what's trendy or unpopular. Our faith and belief in Jesus Christ is all that matters. Helping our fellow man believer or not we should not judge anyone for if we do we shall be judged by the same measure as we judge others. Jesus came to save us not take his gospel and put burdens on people. When the woman who was caught in the very act of adultry under Gods law given to Moses she should have been stoned to death......when brought to the Son of God .......he said those without sin cast the first stone.......then he forgave her and said sin no more......um no df no jc no shunning no marking no public announcement .......Jesus didn't even look up at them. How great is our God......how wonderful life even in this imperfect world would be if we all acted like the only begotton Son of God.
Amen.

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