Should we go to the Elders with our problems?....

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Since: Mar 09

United States

#1 Nov 11, 2012
I have the utmost respect for the Elders. I do not envy them at all. They do a tremendous job, and have a great deal of responsibility on their shoulders. They must account to Jehovah GOD, and Christ for the decisions they make. I try to always pray they will have all the strength necessary to do what they do. BUT should we go to them with every problem we have?
hMMMMM

Aurora, IL

#2 Nov 11, 2012
They are uneducated twits.
Most are barely literate, never mind educated, and JW elders have ZERO professional counseling training.
Not only should no person EVER go to one for a "problem", but you may very well have blood on your hands if you do.
You would be better off using the internet than a loser elder.
The only qualification is to have ball sacks, be 18 and able to read at a 2nd grade level.
Unbelievable that anyone would think some magic ghost just decided to bestow these idiots with knowledge, but that is what rocket scientists like Nomi actually believe.

Since: Oct 12

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#3 Nov 11, 2012
You should absolutely go to the elders with every sinful problem you have, including the ignoring of direct counsel from the GB, based on scriptural principles, to quit mixing in company with apostates, exJws and nonJws on this forum, for instance.

You should be forthcoming. They can help you overcome this weakness of yours Nomi.

If you've done something criminal, you should also turn yourself in to the local authorities and make amends for your deeds.(I'm assuming this is not the case, though).

Since: Mar 09

United States

#4 Nov 11, 2012
A flea I would consider smarter than you...Twit.

“Bustin' Myths”

Since: Dec 09

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#5 Nov 11, 2012
No. Only god can judge our hearts to determine if we are repentant or not. Elders are untrained men who are not qualified to be therapists, policemen, lawyers and child psychologists. Take your problems to god, and if it involves a crime, take it to the police!
hMMMMMM

Aurora, IL

#9 Nov 11, 2012
Spike wrote:
<quoted text>depends. If you mean about members visiting site like this, then yes. That is a judicial matter that those uneducated janitors will disfellowship you for.
Yes, obviously Nomi ALWAYS LOVED being a Jehovah's Witness, and NEVER found their many controlling rules an issue.
Of course, please don't notice that she continually broke one of the most rigid, to NOT only NOT date, but only look at other Jehovah's witness "brothers" as potential mates.
Nomi knew that even a JW elder was a moron with zero earning capability.
She was programmed at the Kingdumb Hall, that as a female, she was only worth her sexual value to men, and she looked elsewhere.
I have no doubt that Nomi is a physically attractive woman, I know for a fact she was reamed over the coals for continually dating and marrying "worldly" men.
She was certainly "stalked" by creeps that would show up at her Kingdumb Hall, and old married elders wanting a little action.
She is a full on liar.
Now let the namecalling by Nomi begin!
I have spoken the truth, and she hates that, more than our US flag!!

Since: Jul 10

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#10 Nov 11, 2012
Nomi wrote:
I have the utmost respect for the Elders. I do not envy them at all. They do a tremendous job, and have a great deal of responsibility on their shoulders. They must account to Jehovah GOD, and Christ for the decisions they make. I try to always pray they will have all the strength necessary to do what they do. BUT should we go to them with every problem we have?
.
. doubtful..unless the problems is with one of them.. But if it is a immoral sexual nature ..a phyical abuse.. Take it to the police first.. And then.. advise the elders that you did so.. That way .. it isn't pushed under the rug.. AND they do have to deal with the perpetrator. They..are no more trained then JOE MOE down the street to deal with problems of this kind.. And worry more about the reproch on the Church then they do the sheep .

Since: Jul 10

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#11 Nov 11, 2012
Mythbusters wrote:
No. Only god can judge our hearts to determine if we are repentant or not. Elders are untrained men who are not qualified to be therapists, policemen, lawyers and child psychologists. Take your problems to god, and if it involves a crime, take it to the police!
. i majorly agree with you on this answer.. Even though they teach that you are to come to them..

“New one man.”

Since: Jan 11

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#13 Nov 11, 2012
Nomi wrote:
I have the utmost respect for the Elders. I do not envy them at all. They do a tremendous job, and have a great deal of responsibility on their shoulders. They must account to Jehovah GOD, and Christ for the decisions they make. I try to always pray they will have all the strength necessary to do what they do. BUT should we go to them with every problem we have?
No
Remnant143999

Rio Rancho, NM

#14 Nov 11, 2012
Going to an elder for spiritual advice would be like going to some one who has just filed for bankruptcy for financial advice!

“I luv Jesus ”

Since: Oct 12

Blessed city

#15 Nov 11, 2012
Nomi wrote:
I have the utmost respect for the Elders. I do not envy them at all. They do a tremendous job, and have a great deal of responsibility on their shoulders. They must account to Jehovah GOD, and Christ for the decisions they make. I try to always pray they will have all the strength necessary to do what they do. BUT should we go to them with every problem we have?
you should go to jesus with your problems.

if you go to the elders with your problems, in their heart they might steal laugh at your problems.

jesus said he will pray for us to the father.
little lamb

Melbourne, Australia

#16 Nov 12, 2012
Why would you go to men for advice who are not in the new covenant mediated by Jesus?

seeing its the promise in the new covenant that God will write his Laws on our hearts and minds..why would you go to men who don't have Gods Laws written on their hearts or minds?

What sort of advice can they possibly give you?
Florida Sunshine

Jacksonville, FL

#17 Nov 12, 2012
This would be like commiting spiritual suicide.

ELder's are good to contact if someone is poisoning their congragation and they say they want it to remain clean?

I have went to them with people whom are frauds to the organization, and they were helpful.

However, I would choose to try and go a different route.

Since: Nov 09

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#18 Nov 12, 2012
We take our problems to Jesus. If it is something that is damaging the church, then you should go to those who would see to it that they are spoken to about it. If it is a criminal problem, take it to the police.
Jace

Harrisonburg, VA

#19 Nov 12, 2012
As a former elder I would say it depends upon the issue and the man

I have known else's over the years who were truly some sharp men in many aspects Of life

Some where highly educated and others were not
For the most part in my exp these men were sincere and truly concerned about the flock

Yes there were those who wanted position and a title as well as their wives but most in my exp of working with such men on various local and regional projects were. Good men

The problem I saw was how they were tasked to do things they truly had no idea of what's they were doing

Some tried to improve themselves to better help the rank and file and wee shot down

In dc many colleges offered programs some free of charge to ministers and counselors on mental help issues

Jw have more friends struggle with mental issues. Depressions feelings of worthlessness than jw want to admit

In
My all hall we had a single black sister who had her practice in northerner va and was in my bookstudy. She also did pro bono with for the wt in child custody cases

We would talk about not specific cases but that so many friends had issues

See jw don't just recommend any mntal health dr to its members
So she was like the ppiint person for
Any CO up and down the east coast she had patients from nc to Delaware all reecommended by the co and local elders

For elders they lacked the training
So some elders started taking class's bit to become doctors but better involved on how to spot depression and offer help

During and elders school Ralph Walls now one of the given ones told elder there's no need to be reading all thes psych books and taking classes. The slave has all you need in print
If course our Ignorant Arses as elders sat there nodding like fools

Looking back it is so sad

I related this exp to my psych class when I was in college and it confirmed for many who knew about jw general view towards education that this was right in line
Jace

Harrisonburg, VA

#20 Nov 12, 2012
Most of you are referring to elders in western countries but Stop and think about the poor training in third world countriesit is sad when you consider they don't want elders with any more training that what they provide

Sad indeed

“Gods love ... poured out”

Since: Dec 06

Sacramento

#22 Nov 12, 2012
Florida Sunshine wrote:
This would be like commiting spiritual suicide.
ELder's are good to contact if someone is poisoning their congragation and they say they want it to remain clean?
I have went to them with people whom are frauds to the organization, and they were helpful.
However, I would choose to try and go a different route.
"This would be like commiting spiritual suicide."

I totally agree. I have personal experiences I will not relate here, but, if any young man desires to be given a position as elder or ministerial servant, you are destroying any chance if you share any personal information about yourself, that is not positive, to an elder.

Since: Oct 12

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#23 Nov 12, 2012
Jace wrote:
As a former elder I would say it depends upon the issue and the man
I have known else's over the years who were truly some sharp men in many aspects Of life
Some where highly educated and others were not
For the most part in my exp these men were sincere and truly concerned about the flock
Yes there were those who wanted position and a title as well as their wives but most in my exp of working with such men on various local and regional projects were. Good men
The problem I saw was how they were tasked to do things they truly had no idea of what's they were doing
Some tried to improve themselves to better help the rank and file and wee shot down
In dc many colleges offered programs some free of charge to ministers and counselors on mental help issues
Jw have more friends struggle with mental issues. Depressions feelings of worthlessness than jw want to admit
In
My all hall we had a single black sister who had her practice in northerner va and was in my bookstudy. She also did pro bono with for the wt in child custody cases
We would talk about not specific cases but that so many friends had issues
See jw don't just recommend any mntal health dr to its members
So she was like the ppiint person for
Any CO up and down the east coast she had patients from nc to Delaware all reecommended by the co and local elders
For elders they lacked the training
So some elders started taking class's bit to become doctors but better involved on how to spot depression and offer help
During and elders school Ralph Walls now one of the given ones told elder there's no need to be reading all thes psych books and taking classes. The slave has all you need in print
If course our Ignorant Arses as elders sat there nodding like fools
Looking back it is so sad
I related this exp to my psych class when I was in college and it confirmed for many who knew about jw general view towards education that this was right in line
I don't know you or if you are known to be an exJW or an apostate (yet)..but for what it's worth I'm sad and embarrassed to say that there is much truth and insight in this post, spelling and grammatical errors aside.
Jace

Harrisonburg, VA

#24 Nov 12, 2012
acrobat wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't know you or if you are known to be an exJW or an apostate (yet)..but for what it's worth I'm sad and embarrassed to say that there is much truth and insight in this post, spelling and grammatical errors aside.
Sorry about the iPhone spell check

But it is sad what is found in way too many Congo

Jw don't like to discuss it
Jace

Harrisonburg, VA

#25 Nov 12, 2012
acrobat wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't know you or if you are known to be an exJW or an apostate (yet)...
Just call me Jace

Such titles and derogatory names are the tools and techniques of the wt editorial staff

They create their own meanings to words

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