Jehovah's Witnesses and Depression

“Surprised By Love”

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#61 Sep 16, 2012
wow wrote:
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You dont need anti-depressent meds my friend does not take medicine
and she is a Jehovah W
itness
What the H E double hockey sticks does that prove?

Every person is different, with different life experiences and different brains. Some can overcome depression without meds, some need it. Some commit suicide because they were told they shouldn't need anti-antidepressants. I know of many Jehovah's witnesses that killed themselves. Meds have their place. My God, the ignorance of some of you people is overwhelming.

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#62 Sep 16, 2012
Tears of Oberon wrote:
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Not necessarily.
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No, they aren't. The research includes people who even have casual contact with the anti-cult movement.
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You'd think wouldn't you? But it is not necessarily true. You are misattributing and mixing up causes. Depression and differences in religious opinion are not necessarily linked. Depression has MANY possible root causes.
Brief Amicus Curiae of the American Psychological Association
In The Supreme Court of the State of California
February 10, 1987
“A significant body of evidence suggests that membership in new religious organizations...tends to relieve psychological distress. E.g., Deutsch and Miller, A Clinical Study of Four Unification Church Members, 140 J. Am. Psychiatry 767, 769 (1983); Galanter, Charismatic Religious Sects and Psychiatry: an Overview, 139 Am. J. Psychiatry 1539 (1982). See also Melton & Moore, The Cult Experience, supra, at 42; T. Ungerleider, The New Religions 15-16 (1979). Cf. Griffith, Young & Smith, An Analysis of the Therapeutic Elements in a Black Church Service, 35 Hosp. and Com. Psychiatry 464 (1984)(similar findings)
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I hate to break it to you, but feelings of inadequacy and guilt are universal symptoms of depression regardless of religious affiliation. You would have felt the same things whether you were a Witness or an Atheist or a Buddhist. That is just how depression works -- you can't always blame it on external causes.
The rest of your complaining appears to be focused mainly, not on the Witnesses, but on your BAD MARRIAGE. That was the major stressor in your life. But then near the end, for some reason, you suddenly switch and blame everything bad in your life on the Witnesses. "It was them! It was them all along!! They did this too me!"
This sounds to Teary like simple scapegoating, used to justify difficult (though not necessarily wrong) decisions (leaving your husband) that you may not have otherwise been able to accept.
And so the fundamental questions remains: what caused your relief? Was it leaving the Witnesses or was it leaving your bad husband? You said earlier that the Witnesses were only a minor contributor to your depression compared to other factors, so why should they suddenly become a major contributor to your relief after leaving?:/
That first statement was taken from me...I also know perfectly well that depression has many possible roots...you're preaching to the choir...and in MY case I do know it was the association with the JW and it's unrealistic expectations that triggered my depression. Do other religions have the same effects on other people? Of course. People who are genetically predisposed to depression can be affected by any restrictive situation, anything that can hurt them emotionally and mentally. I come from a varied religious background. Family is all from different religions. That is why they were actually supportive of me studying with the JW. We know that we are all differen...I'm saying that I've been through several religions and none of them triggered depression in me, just THE JWs...and at least to me it seemed that for the other person that you attributed my statement to, she had to realize that it was the JW views that she had to fight against to find her courage see the truth about her marriage, not the other way around...it was the JW that caused her depression...

You know, if you're fine and comfortable with where you are, and you're at peace with what you are doing, why do you look to degrade others views, experiences and emotions?? Could it be that you are the one that isnt able to face his shortcomings? Is somebody making you feel worthless and that is why you belittle others, to ease your pain? Do you need a hug Teary?

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#64 Sep 16, 2012
little lamb wrote:
The thing about Judas..was that when Jesus sent him away from him, and Judas did his faithless deed..the result he suffered was a depression that led him to suicide.
Actions affect your brain .
Are you implying that all depression is the consequence of a guilty conscience?

“Surprised By Love”

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#65 Sep 16, 2012
Thank you Sophie, at least you get what I am trying to say.
Teary means well I think. At least he read and considered my opinion, even if he didn't get it.
little lamb

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#66 Sep 16, 2012
Same Sophie wrote:
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Are you implying that all depression is the consequence of a guilty conscience?
No I am suggesting chronic depression is a result of not being led by the spirit..because the fruitage of the spirit is joy.

depression is being low in spirit because of being pushed down..but God always helps his children up again..Its a form of hopelessness, which a Christian who has "hope" in his heart, can overcome.

If you don't have that HOPE residing in your heart..your a great prey for chronic depression

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#67 Sep 16, 2012
much happier now wrote:
Thank you Sophie, at least you get what I am trying to say.
Teary means well I think. At least he read and considered my opinion, even if he didn't get it.
You're welcome...and you could be right about him, I understand that there are some people who mean well but just don't know the right approach...And I hadn't noticed that I double posted...he he
sunny

Hope Valley, RI

#68 Sep 16, 2012
little lamb wrote:
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No I am suggesting chronic depression is a result of not being led by the spirit..because the fruitage of the spirit is joy.
depression is being low in spirit because of being pushed down..but God always helps his children up again..Its a form of hopelessness, which a Christian who has "hope" in his heart, can overcome.
If you don't have that HOPE residing in your heart..your a great prey for chronic depression
No offense, but what you are saying here shows you really don't understand depression at all. It is a chemical deficiency, not anything to do with the Holy Spirit. None of us are "prey" for chronic depression, but if praying and hope would cure it, many of us would not be victims of it. Do you think pioneers have hope and joy, maybe it looks like it, but you have no idea how many are depressed behind the scenes. You can always make people think that you are different for short periods, but then comes the time when you are home alone, and all the depression and sadness returns.

It is not that simple and you really don't understand it or you would not be saying what you did.

Since: Oct 10

Homebush, Australia

#69 Sep 16, 2012
sunny wrote:
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No offense, but what you are saying here shows you really don't understand depression at all. It is a chemical deficiency, not anything to do with the Holy Spirit. None of us are "prey" for chronic depression, but if praying and hope would cure it, many of us would not be victims of it. Do you think pioneers have hope and joy, maybe it looks like it, but you have no idea how many are depressed behind the scenes. You can always make people think that you are different for short periods, but then comes the time when you are home alone, and all the depression and sadness returns.
It is not that simple and you really don't understand it or you would not be saying what you did.
true post Sunny, I agree, we can only pray to cope many things contribute to depression, and their is a difference between the blues and clinical depression.

We can only do what we can in diet and mild excersise and yes following Christs example on how we treat others, this can give us some joy, but is not a cure.

The apostle Paul suffered from he said was a thorn in his side, God did not take that problem away but helped him cope. That is not saying that all those with clinical depression can cope, depends on their situation. and environment which plays another important part.

And those suffering do not need the self righteous attitude of those that think that in this system everything can be cured by a prayer.
little lamb

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#70 Sep 16, 2012
sunny wrote:
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No offense, but what you are saying here shows you really don't understand depression at all. It is a chemical deficiency, not anything to do with the Holy Spirit. None of us are "prey" for chronic depression, but if praying and hope would cure it, many of us would not be victims of it. Do you think pioneers have hope and joy, maybe it looks like it, but you have no idea how many are depressed behind the scenes. You can always make people think that you are different for short periods, but then comes the time when you are home alone, and all the depression and sadness returns.
It is not that simple and you really don't understand it or you would not be saying what you did.
There is a difference between public religiosity serving a religious organization and true FAITH, serving God...

And the fruitage of the spirit is not dependent on when others see you..its a good condition of the heart

..Isaiah 65 [14] " Look! my own servants will cry out joyfully because of the good condition of the heart , but you yourselves will make out cries because of the pain of heart and you will howl in sheer breakdown of spirit."
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whats in a name

Cannock, UK

#71 Sep 16, 2012
Depression! many suffer with this these days, the question is why?

Adam and Eve were the first people here, not only that but they were perfect without sin. We are now 6000 years down the line of imperfection, the reason why we suffer today with many problems.

Life is no different to that of a cold drink of orange, the more you dilute it the weaker it becomes....

Why people go on regarding Jehovah witnesses is beyond me other then the bible does say "you will be hated on the bases of my name" and when jesus said "they persecuted me, they will persecuted"

Someone will say something fu*king stupid other then "FACT"

Live life and live it the best you can.... we lose eveything at the end of the day. Everything is on lone. We come with nothing and we leave with nothing.....end of..!

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#72 Sep 17, 2012
sunny wrote:
I have been diagnosed with both major and minor depression and have taken many different anti-depressants and they do work.
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It surprised me to learn of certain addictions people can have that can lead to depression: religious addiction, sadness addiction, self-mutilation addictions and also being a perfectionist. People don't usually think of these things as addictions.
Whoa, "sadness addiction." That's the first time I've heard of that. Is that true?

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#73 Sep 17, 2012
array wrote:
<quoted text>true post Sunny, I agree, we can only pray to cope many things contribute to depression, and their is a difference between the blues and clinical depression.
We can only do what we can in diet and mild excersise and yes following Christs example on how we treat others, this can give us some joy, but is not a cure.
The apostle Paul suffered from he said was a thorn in his side, God did not take that problem away but helped him cope. That is not saying that all those with clinical depression can cope, depends on their situation. and environment which plays another important part.
And those suffering do not need the self righteous attitude of those that think that in this system everything can be cured by a prayer.
Prayer can help. Self-righteous attitudes do not.(In my direct experience). Best thing is, stop looking for an 'instant fix' because there isn't one.

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#74 Sep 17, 2012
little lamb wrote:
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There is a difference between public religiosity serving a religious organization and true FAITH, serving God...
And the fruitage of the spirit is not dependent on when others see you..its a good condition of the heart
..Isaiah 65 [14] " Look! my own servants will cry out joyfully because of the good condition of the heart , but you yourselves will make out cries because of the pain of heart and you will howl in sheer breakdown of spirit."
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Jesus said to comfort the depressed souls. Job's fake comforters just told him much the same as many tell depressed people today, to snap out of it, that he brought it on himself, that it was all because he had done something wrong. Is this what people would generally walk down a hall in a hospital and go shouting at all the ill people lying in the wards? Just snap out of it?

A broken skin takes days to heal.
A broken bone takes months to heal.
A broken brain takes years to heal.

Can you rush a broken bone to knit faster?

Would it cross your mind to pray for someone's broken bone to heal instantly? Or tell the person suffering that it is somehow their fault that they cannot walk on their broken leg as usual? That it shouldn't affect their everyday function?

Most of the problem is in the lack of understanding of depression.
There are some very good support groups online where people understand because they have been through, or are going through recovery themselves.

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#75 Sep 17, 2012
little lamb wrote:
The thing about Judas..was that when Jesus sent him away from him, and Judas did his faithless deed..the result he suffered was a depression that led him to suicide.
Actions affect your brain .
Are you condemning all depressed souls as guilty and receiving a punishment of depression and suicide? What happened to comforting the depressed souls?

"On the other hand, we exhort &#8203;YOU, brothers, admonish the disorderly, speak consolingly to the depressed souls, support the weak, be long&#8208;suffering toward all.' 1 Thessalonians 5:14

Judas was not depressed. He felt remorse when he saw that his betrayal had led to Jesus being condemned to death.

Matthew 27:3-5
Then Judas, who betrayed him, seeing he had been condemned, felt remorse and turned the thirty silver pieces back to the chief priests and older men,4saying:“I sinned when I betrayed righteous blood.” They said:“What is that to us? You must see to that!”5So he threw the silver pieces into the temple and withdrew, and went off and hanged himself.

It is the misconceptions among religious people in particular that I found particularly distressing while suffering, due to the thought that they 'ought to know better.' It still riles me. It is widespread though. There are very widespread misconceptions about people who are *suffering* from depression.

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#76 Sep 17, 2012
little lamb wrote:
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There is a difference between public religiosity serving a religious organization and true FAITH, serving God...
And the fruitage of the spirit is not dependent on when others see you..its a good condition of the heart
..Isaiah 65 [14] " Look! my own servants will cry out joyfully because of the good condition of the heart , but you yourselves will make out cries because of the pain of heart and you will howl in sheer breakdown of spirit."
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Putting on a happy face so as not to drag others down is a kindness especially to those who do not seem to have the capacity to understand. To those who are consoling, they weep with you. To those that don't understand, the effect of not putting on a happy face, is worse than if you do.

"Rejoice with people who rejoice; weep with people who weep" ~Romans 12:15

Do you think people must be happy all the time to be Christian?

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#77 Sep 17, 2012
No Fear In Love wrote:
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Prayer can help. Self-righteous attitudes do not.(In my direct experience). Best thing is, stop looking for an 'instant fix' because there isn't one.
prayer helps when talking to the father, he helps one to cope, but no cure, some feel that those that suffer depression are not approved because they are not putting their faith in God, this self righteous attitude does not help.

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#78 Sep 17, 2012
array wrote:
<quoted text>prayer helps when talking to the father, he helps one to cope, but no cure, some feel that those that suffer depression are not approved because they are not putting their faith in God, this self righteous attitude does not help.
Your comments are comforting, Array.

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#79 Sep 17, 2012
little lamb wrote:
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Its a form of hopelessness, which a Christian who has "hope" in his heart, can overcome.
If you don't have that HOPE residing in your heart..your a great prey for chronic depression
I think hope is a key. It is definitely good to have hope to lift out of depression. It is the 'no answer' and 'no way out' thoughts that are very depressing.

I missed this in your post earlier, my apologies little lamb. Often those who are depressed are facing hopeless situations.

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#80 Sep 17, 2012
The 3 main things a depressed person should consider, are:

1. How he views himself. JW = massive guilt.

2. How he views the world around him. JW = The world is bad ("this wicked old world soon to be destroyed")

3. How he views his future. JW = fear of being amongst the "slain of Jehovah", if armageddon ever does come, that is, seeing as how many fiascos have occurred so far.
sunny

Hope Valley, RI

#81 Sep 17, 2012
No Fear In Love wrote:
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Whoa, "sadness addiction." That's the first time I've heard of that. Is that true?
I had never heard of it before, but yes it is true. Chronically sad or unhappy people don't know what it is to be truly happy, and unbelievably are actually afraid to be happy. It is a fear of the unknown. There are many addictions besides the main ones that are not known to the everyday person. Fear is a big factor in depression also.

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