JW women dare to wear pants to the ki...

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#129 Jun 27, 2014
Matt9969 wrote:
<quoted text>...And I can't kiss your ass, you look attractive, and I don't kiss the asses of married women:>P
But I thought apostates were disgusting, immoral thugs who take drugs and go to wild parties?

:)

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#130 Jun 27, 2014
Brother P wrote:
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Sorry, what did you mean by that?
BroP~

You said you started a thread about hardwaring children children when they were younger. I was just asking if you'd provide the link here. That's all.

Corinthian

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#131 Jun 27, 2014
Oh right, that's actually Matt's thread (not sure where it is though).
salai

Los Angeles, CA

#132 Jun 27, 2014
How I See It wrote:
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Brothers could and can have beards. They just won't have privilages.
So they're being punished for having beards? If they don't allow privileges because you have a beard you're being punished..but didn't Jesus wear a beard? Didn't people from that place and time wear beards? It's the corporation look that the WTS goes fir because at the end of the day that's what they are, a money making corporation.

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#133 Jun 27, 2014
ohreallyaurelia wrote:
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JW Kitty -mistakenly thinking she's made a good impression on Brother P-
https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/341490944/h435A3...
No she's not making a good impression...just look at what she did to Glasgow!

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_WK5CEbk7VrI/SmMllbl...

(and you guys thought Justin Bieber was bad)
Wake up call

Olathe, KS

#134 Jun 27, 2014
The Real Karen wrote:
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I don't know either, but they never once spoke to me about wearing them.
Because you were considered a "visitor."
aurelia

Raleigh, NC

#135 Jun 27, 2014
Brother P wrote:
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No she's not making a good impression...just look at what she did to Glasgow!
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_WK5CEbk7VrI/SmMllbl...
(and you guys thought Justin Bieber was bad)
Gracious! Was that the Convention?( If so, I suppose we [royal we] must be grateful they've removed their badges -t'any rate.)
aurelia

Raleigh, NC

#136 Jun 27, 2014
Brother P wrote:
The only Christian scriptural principles centered around grooming etc are about not bringing attention to oneself (glorifying oneself), but rather being more concerned about the "inner person" (your soul).
The JWs with their policies have flipped this around so that outward appearances actually get MORE attention than need be!
In my town (being quite meek/down to earth people), the JW image seems to be one of the very things that puts "worldly people" off (when it was supposed to do the opposite). They don't see immaculately groomed people as being a positive thing - they see the JWs as very vain:
"They obviously love themselves"
^^^ That's the snide remark I often here. Or this:
"Who does she think she is?"
When people see a group spending so much time and concern over what they look like, it DISTRACTS from what they have to say. How ironic! Obviously this is territory specific, although I'd venture a guess that it's more the norm than the exception.
from a recent AWAKE - an eloquent rebuttal: Jehovahs' Witness couple listen empathetically as "some dago" (actually a Pictish tribesman) expresses his concerns.
http://imagem.band.com.br/f_60647.jpg

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#137 Jun 27, 2014
aurelia wrote:
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from a recent AWAKE - an eloquent rebuttal: Jehovahs' Witness couple listen empathetically as "some dago" (actually a Pictish tribesman) expresses his concerns.
http://imagem.band.com.br/f_60647.jpg
Do you disagree with what I posted?(can't really tell by that, was it sarcastic? lol)
aurelia

Raleigh, NC

#138 Jun 28, 2014
Brother P wrote:
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Do you disagree with what I posted?(can't really tell by that, was it sarcastic? lol)
I know . It's a mess. I was being forced out of house and didn't punctuate right for 1 thing. When I got back, I saw it looked pretty harsh and didn't exactly make sense, either. So it was good for me to be forced out in a way, so at least I could regain that much objectivity.
I was being sarcastic. Or something. I can't disagree with what you said others' perceptions are, of course. I feel acutely over-aware of that as it is, and wish I didn't. I say plenty on here I know, but I'm actually very socially-phobic in person -and always have been (so please don't start, OK?).-also feel somewhat compelled to act out others' stereotypes about me, which I'm aware of, I believe , to an unusual degree. So makes sense I would join the most readily stereotyped, and maybe most blissfully -unaware- of -it people, right? Thanks for giving me a chance to say that to someone I'm pretty sure can understand what I'm saying.

Since I was out of the house tonight and couldn't reply "in real time" to the running-wild Dandate on the "jw don't understand scripture" thread, I clicked his name to have everything in one place and hopefully begin replying. I didn't realize at 1st I was on the SDA forum. But what I wanted to tell you about that, is that I was writing to him, some days ago [ but didn't send - at the time] about an evening and a morning constituting 1 "date" , and then I stopped and thought about [it felt like"out of the blue"] those words in Genesis, and the next day I saw that you might have been writing [and raging] about that very thing -re "Y.E. Creationism"- at the same time the thought popped into my head. It's possible I just saw those words somewhere else around the same time ,and just didn't remember, but at the time I read what you'd written I thought about how novel it had felt when those words had popped into my head the night before.
-Probably makes no sense either, but too late at night to fix now -Good Night!

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#139 Jun 28, 2014
aurelia wrote:
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I know . It's a mess. I was being forced out of house and didn't punctuate right for 1 thing. When I got back, I saw it looked pretty harsh and didn't exactly make sense, either. So it was good for me to be forced out in a way, so at least I could regain that much objectivity.
I was being sarcastic. Or something. I can't disagree with what you said others' perceptions are, of course. I feel acutely over-aware of that as it is, and wish I didn't. I say plenty on here I know, but I'm actually very socially-phobic in person -and always have been (so please don't start, OK?).-also feel somewhat compelled to act out others' stereotypes about me, which I'm aware of, I believe , to an unusual degree. So makes sense I would join the most readily stereotyped, and maybe most blissfully -unaware- of -it people, right? Thanks for giving me a chance to say that to someone I'm pretty sure can understand what I'm saying.
Since I was out of the house tonight and couldn't reply "in real time" to the running-wild Dandate on the "jw don't understand scripture" thread, I clicked his name to have everything in one place and hopefully begin replying. I didn't realize at 1st I was on the SDA forum. But what I wanted to tell you about that, is that I was writing to him, some days ago [ but didn't send - at the time] about an evening and a morning constituting 1 "date" , and then I stopped and thought about [it felt like"out of the blue"] those words in Genesis, and the next day I saw that you might have been writing [and raging] about that very thing -re "Y.E. Creationism"- at the same time the thought popped into my head. It's possible I just saw those words somewhere else around the same time ,and just didn't remember, but at the time I read what you'd written I thought about how novel it had felt when those words had popped into my head the night before.
-Probably makes no sense either, but too late at night to fix now -Good Night!
Hello! I am probably one of the most anti stereotypical guy I know (lol), so am not going to make the mistake of lumping a whole religious group into one box (least of all those whom I respect).

For this topic I don't believe that people should be judged externally (everyone is different). Sadly people do judge by appearances which is why the JW leadership address it - however their advice has backfired (imo). They would have been better off not talking about it at all really.

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#140 Jun 28, 2014
Contrary to my own faith (to my own shame), I went a bit too far in that creative days thread. A urantia book reader is meant to upbuild not tear down. Sometimes the mind gets carried away.

You may have noticed that I was poking fun at YE creationism, while at the same time showing that the bible (strictly speaking) teaches it. I was hoping to prove that one should take a more liberal approach to the bible.

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#141 Jun 28, 2014
salai wrote:
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So they're being punished for having beards? If they don't allow privileges because you have a beard you're being punished..but didn't Jesus wear a beard? Didn't people from that place and time wear beards? It's the corporation look that the WTS goes fir because at the end of the day that's what they are, a money making corporation.
How exactly is it a punishment? They are still part of the congregation. Do you have a problem with a congregation setting standards? Jehovah has standards. Perhaps you feel everyone should be able to dress as they feel like they do in other religions? I've seen some wear pajamas to their churches, do you have a problem with that? You, like the rest of Satan's world feel you have the right to do absolutely anything you wish and when told no. Act like a child being punished. Put your big boy pants on and stop looking for issues that don't exist.

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#142 Jun 28, 2014
How I See It wrote:
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How exactly is it a punishment? They are still part of the congregation. Do you have a problem with a congregation setting standards? Jehovah has standards. Perhaps you feel everyone should be able to dress as they feel like they do in other religions? I've seen some wear pajamas to their churches, do you have a problem with that? You, like the rest of Satan's world feel you have the right to do absolutely anything you wish and when told no. Act like a child being punished. Put your big boy pants on and stop looking for issues that don't exist.
What you wear is important to YOU, and only you. What someone else feels that you should wear is of no consequence at all. If you feel that wearing "such and such" is important then fair enough (that's your prerogative), nobody has the right to dictate in matters you either find non important or what you find "beautiful". Not everyone has the same taste. Just like not everyone has the same appreciation for music/art etc.

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#143 Jun 28, 2014
Take for example myself: I love beautiful displays of art, I love things to look orderly and presentable, I love my house to be simple and clean...but I don't judge those who don't have the same tastes.

Likewise should all followers of Jesus RESPECT everyone's interpretation of "what is Holy". Some are more concerned with external appearances, others feel that these appearances enhance life (Creation). Whatever the case, HARMONY in brotherhood is more important that getting your own way all the time (dictatorship).
DR SOS

San Jose, CA

#144 Jun 28, 2014
How I See It wrote:
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How exactly is it a punishment? They are still part of the congregation. Do you have a problem with a congregation setting standards? Jehovah has standards. Perhaps you feel everyone should be able to dress as they feel like they do in other religions? I've seen some wear pajamas to their churches, do you have a problem with that? You, like the rest of Satan's world feel you have the right to do absolutely anything you wish and when told no. Act like a child being punished. Put your big boy pants on and stop looking for issues that don't exist.
"Do you have a problem with congregation setting standards"

YUP! if the "standards" are not biblical it will be called out.The JW congregational "standards" are NOT biblical.Deal with this fact.

"like the rest of Satan's world"

I have seen homeless people in rags that act and are more BIBLICALLY MORAL than JWS.

“BIBLE TRUTHS *NEVER* CHANGE”

Since: Aug 09

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#145 Jun 28, 2014
How I See It wrote:
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How exactly is it a punishment? They are still part of the congregation. Do you have a problem with a congregation setting standards? Jehovah has standards. Perhaps you feel everyone should be able to dress as they feel like they do in other religions?
WHO exactly is still part of the congregation when they are DFed or DAed? Isn't the idea being that the WT has handed them over to Satan? Someone that you greeted warmly when they walked in the door....is no longer worthy of your love on their way out the same door.

As for standards.....who gives the WT masters the right to dictate the standards saying the women cannot wear well-arranged and modest pantsuits or anyone told never to wear anything made of denim?

How's about the idea that the JWs....after a long day spent at a convention dressed in "meeting clothes" that they must keep those same clothes on when they go out to have supper?

Then you have the "heavy suggestion" to remain in the auditorium during the lunch break instead of heading out to a restaurant....when many travel 100's of miles to get there and do not have lunch meat, bread and mayonnaise in their hotel rooms?

Seems like it's always SOMETHING the GB thinks up to make the lives of their followers more and more complicated and allowing them less and less freedom with every new regulation.

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#146 Jun 28, 2014
Many people who are df or da go on to have better and more spiritual lives. A person can be held by fear and guilt only so long. And that guilt and fear is a form of abuse. Like a dog that is abused, it can only go on for so long before the animal turns on you--his master. It is conditional love that is shown in the congregation--how can you stop loving someone because an announcement is made? How also can a person be judged by the number of meetings he attends?

As far as pant suits go, I have seen many that are more feminine and prettier than many of the dresses that the "sisters" wear. Jehovah judges us by what is in our heart, not how we dress.

After a long assembly day, it is nice to put on something casual and go out to dinner--why is that condemned? Food used to be served at the assemblies, but now it is everyone for himself, and going to a restaurant during the lunch break is far nicer than a cold sandwich and warm soda. The break is long enough.

Are they trying to see how many of the pleasant things that they can eliminate before everyone sees what is going on and leaves. The get togethers after the bookstudy used to be pleasant--no that is gone also. We used to get to know each other that way also.

Outside of assemblies the only socializing that is done is in small groups which are hand-picked. How are we supposed to love the brothers and sisters if we don't even know them.

“BIBLE TRUTHS *NEVER* CHANGE”

Since: Aug 09

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#147 Jun 28, 2014
emmaswish wrote:
Many people who are df or da go on to have better and more spiritual lives.
I thoroughly agree with everything you pointed out and especially that extremely poignant line. The new but nevertheless ever-deepening spirituality and personal appreciation for our Creator quickly fills in ALL the holes in the WT theology.....and brings pure joy to former JWs. We recognize that our religious journey is only between us and those in the heavenly realm....and no one can walk OUR path FOR us.

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#148 Jun 28, 2014
I can remember one thing that surprised me. The Catholic church has little booklets for each season--something like a daily text. They also recognize an end time is coming, but their take on it is this: no one knows when or dares to put a date on it, but the important thing is to always be ready in case it occurs in our life times.

If God did not see fit to give us a timeline and I can see why not, I don't think he wanted us to surmise or make up dates for these days to occur--it wasn't up to us.

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