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MENAgirl

Gîza, Egypt

#156 Aug 18, 2012
diogenes wrote:
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Convicted felons that that are considered high risk are not legally allowed to participate in door to door work. Those that are not considered high risk are allowed to participate. This determination should be done by experts that are trained to determine someone's risk level.
DUH, that is the point. The WT keeping this to themselves and facilitating the criminal (who is NOT outed because the WT didn't report and apparently still has some issues with such) to GO door to door. If, when that one child reports abuse is disregarded or the wife's desire to protect her husband from community censure overwhelms her desire to protect her own daughter and community from a pervert-and thus the org. does not feel like they should report to the police-the police will not KNOW that there is a high risk offender. The man's employer may not know it-but the ELDERS and the WT organization DO know and they protect the pervert and his "marriage" at the small cost of sacrificing his daughter and the rest of the community to his perversity. If an accusation is made, the WT/Elders should report it to the proper authorities who CAN determine the risk. Its not the job of the WT to make the determination, and that is what they are doing when they fail to report because THEY don't think it is a good case (promiscuous girl or no witnesses, or parents didn't notice). It isn't the WT's job to decide, only to report.
MENAgirl

Gîza, Egypt

#157 Aug 18, 2012
diogenes wrote:
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You attempt to make it sound like its an epidemic when the reality is that it is so incredibly rare that it is inconsequential.
Not in Somerset England! I think that guy Porter molested most of the kids in his community. I say that because so many JWs wouldn't even cooperate with the investigation (afraid of what they would find out, I think). He was still convicted of dozens of assaults on children-JW and OTHER. Wonder how he got access to all the others????

Child rape and abuse is NOT so inconsequential as to be insignificant you nincompoop! And JWs are just as flawed as the rest of the world if you haven't figured it out, so I'd say you have lost touch with all reality. I think more than 25% of women are molested. If it was measles, it would be called an epidemic!
MENAgirl

Gîza, Egypt

#158 Aug 18, 2012
You can forgive anyone, but just like a alcoholic can "reform", they generally know better than go to to beer bashes, cocktail parties, etc. They will bring a person specifically to support them in situations that they know will cause them to weaken. Their spouses/friends are not going to give them the key to the liquor cabinet or likely even keep alcohol in the home. They aren't going to pour them the drink or buy them mixers! Forgiveness doesn't mean forgetting, and that is what you are suggesting is a good thing, DW. Cruising the prostitution strip with your sex addict buddy is not very helpful. Exposing a pedophile to unsuspecting homes filled with small children is kind of STUPID. They think you are MISSIONARIES. You have some kind of imputed GOODNESS simply cause you carry a bible around. People trust you like they trusted Mr.Rogers. Even if they couldn't stand him, they thought he was a white hat.(and by all accounts HE was). But that fake white hat JW at your door is a risk to the community and that is not fair for the WT to knowingly send him out with the white hat on his head!
UNchained

Rogersville, TN

#159 Aug 18, 2012
Post #132:
diogenes wrote:
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Convicted felons that that are considered high risk are not legally allowed to participate in door to door work. Those that are not considered high risk are allowed to participate. This determination should be done by experts that are trained to determine someone's risk level.
We did not make this stuff up.

A JW really posted this.

HOUSEHOLDERS BEWARE!!!!!

THE JW AT YOUR DOOR MAY BE A CONVICTED PEDOPHILE!!!!
MENAgirl

Gîza, Egypt

#160 Aug 18, 2012
OMG, just read the letters from elders and then the response from the WT. After deliberately touching his stepdaughter WHILE SHE WAS IN BED SLEEPING, the WT went under some "touching" guideline and decided that it wasn't important enough to convene a JC. The fact that it was his stepdaughter-a child- and it was non consensual somehow didn't imprint on any of them! What kind of monkeys are running that show?

Some other girl also experienced his touching and decided it was unintentional. bully for her-but his stepdaughters having been touched was definitely NOT unintentional, but deliberate.

He didn't need a JC. Obviously, from the letter, reporting it to the authorities to be investigated PROPERLY did not occur to either the elders or the WT dudes.

They should have been fined 2x that just for pure stupidity.
MENAgirl

Gîza, Egypt

#161 Aug 18, 2012
Anyone understand how it is a bigger punishment to not be a pioneer or somehow less "scriptural" than to allow a regular JW to go from door to door representing oneself as a missionary/minister Christian. Seriously, there are no benefits other than social to being a pioneer and they can put in the hours (and thus be a regular risk) even without the titles of Pioneer, MS or Elder.
MENAgirl

Gîza, Egypt

#162 Aug 18, 2012
They say that JWs who are known abusers will not be allowed to "serve". What is FIELD SERVICE people?????

Damn, I'm angry just reading their stupid letter.

Since: Apr 07

Location hidden

#163 Aug 18, 2012
Dream-weaver wrote:
The elders have been known to inform the congregation if there's an unrepentant pedophile in the congregation. There was some man abusing his children in 1993. He was disfellowshipped and the elders got CPS involved. The elders spoke about the man discreetly at congregation book-studies. The elders got the law involved before speaking publicly about him.


I have not been talking about pedophiles deemed “unrepentant”. That is your strawman to avoid the POINT.

I am talking about men who are known BY ELDERS to have SEXUALLY MOLESTED CHILDREN but convinced those SAME ELDERS that they are “repentant”.

These men present a DANGER to CHILDREN!!!

Moral persons TELL OTHERS when A MONSTER is IN THE SAME ROOM with CHILDREN.

Since you are AMORAL, you disagree with the above.

Are YOU a “repentant” pedophile? I’ve asked you this before and it was ignored each time.

Marvin Shilmer
http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com

Since: Apr 07

Location hidden

#164 Aug 18, 2012
Dream-weaver wrote:
You believe the Christian congregation should be placed on lock-down because of the threat of sexual predators while ignoring all other institutions and their response to this imminent threat.


Nope. That is YOUR strawman.

I have said that if elders KNOW there is a person in the congregation that is KNOWN to have molested children then those elders should TELL THE CONGREGATION that a KNOWN CHILD MOLESTER is IN THE ROOM with their CHILDREN!!!

As you admit yourself,“There's no known cure for the ugly impulses of a pedophile”.[1] Yet you object to what I propose despite the THREAT TO CHILDREN.

You are amoral, at the very least.

Are YOU a “repentant” pedophile?

Marvin Shilmer
http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com
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References:

1. Post 152: http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-...
Jace

Woodbridge, VA

#165 Aug 18, 2012
Marvin Shilmer wrote:
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If a company knowingly sent a pedophile out for “field service” of, for example, a freezer box in need of repair, and the creep returned later and molested a child he met during the course of his “field service” work, that company would have their damned pants sued back to bloody hell. And RIGHTLY SO. They ASKED FOR IT!!!
These sick bastards don’t seem to get the fact that parents ABSOLUTELY DO NOT WANT known pedophiles coming to their home to be introduced to their family, including CHILDREN.
Marvin Shilmer
http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com
Bingo

I really don't think that jw really comprehend the powder keg they are sitting on

As more and more folks come to realize. That the wt has an Actual Policy. For how known molestersmaremto managed in field service as they come to folks homes

The wt does not grasp the concept that people do not want a molester coming to their home let alone coming inside

The jw mindset is so warped
Jace

Woodbridge, VA

#166 Aug 18, 2012
diogenes wrote:
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Convicted felons that that are considered high risk are not legally allowed to participate in door to door work. Those that are not considered high risk are allowed to participate. This determination should be done by experts that are trained to determine someone's risk level.
And who are those Experts who are trained in the jw religion??
MENAgirl

Gîza, Egypt

#167 Aug 18, 2012
Marvin Shilmer wrote:
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I have not been talking about pedophiles deemed “unrepentant”. That is your strawman to avoid the POINT.
I am talking about men who are known BY ELDERS to have SEXUALLY MOLESTED CHILDREN but convinced those SAME ELDERS that they are “repentant”.
These men present a DANGER to CHILDREN!!!
Moral persons TELL OTHERS when A MONSTER is IN THE SAME ROOM with CHILDREN.
Since you are AMORAL, you disagree with the above.
Are YOU a “repentant” pedophile? I’ve asked you this before and it was ignored each time.
Marvin Shilmer
http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com
Kendricks didn't even rate a JC since "touching" is not considered a heinous offense even when it is a little girl who is sleeping and is your own daughter! Non consensual touching of a child is NOT in their books as anything to even be concerned about, apparently! So why would they worry about him?
Jace

Woodbridge, VA

#168 Aug 18, 2012
Marvin Shilmer

Please note that I said “These perverts should be told in NO UNCERTAIN TERMS that henceforth their ministry is STRICTLY telephone territory and under NO CIRCUMSTANCES are they to visit homes unless it is well know that CHILDREN DO NOT LIVE THERE.”

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I think we are talking about two different things

You are too kind too the jw and have too much confidence in the the wt watch program that is run by Fred the Walmart greeter

Asking joe the pedophile to Promise he will only work the telephone and not go to the home of kids he has been talking to on the telephone -- causegrown folks will not be the only ones picking up the telephone

I cant think of one adult who wants known pedophile calling their house with kids hawking any wares and ESP religion

Why would any org want someone as you describe a "pervert". Calling in their behalf

My point is from the stand point of the home owner

Folks don't want org using pedophiles contacting them

When folks. Found out that prisoners were calling their house. The public went the h&@ off

If someone doesn’t want a pedophile to know their phone number then they better bloody well privatize it so it’s not published for the whole world to see and do with as they please.

&&&&&& &&

Once again folks understand that anyone can get their number but when an org hands a pedophile your number to call your home folks will have serious issues with an org that does that

Which is different from some lone pedophile who finds your number in the phone book

"It is unrealistic to think a pedophile cannot telephone to sell a product. It is not unrealistic to think a pedophile should under NO CIRCUMSTANCE be used or otherwise recognized for delivering that product to a home unless that home is known not to have children living there."

&&&&&&

Once again from the view of the homeowners. How many would want a pedophile calling their home

A jw pedophile calls a home tells them they are a jw. And gives their name they have a discussion and makes arrangements to stop by.-----As you said there are no kids who live there-

20 min later the homeowners is looking at the pedophiles registry and see the jw name on it

O yea he will be real happy a-right!!!!!

The jw religion is putting known pedophiles in the faces of homeowners

Kids or not I think you would be hard press to find folks who have no problem with that

Consider a homeowner with no kids

The pedophile makes 3 visits on the guy with no kids He knows nothing about the guy being a pedophile

His nephew comes to stay . For the summer

Yea the guy is going to be real happy when he finds out

Bottom line the public wants to know when they Are interacting with. Pedophile especially the company knows it

“KeepProclaiming Christ Death ”

Since: Dec 09

Lynchburg, VA

#169 Aug 18, 2012
Dream-weaver wrote:
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The elders have been known to inform the congregation if there's an unrepentant pedophile in the congregation. There was some man abusing his children in 1993. He was disfellowshipped and the elders got CPS involved. The elders spoke about the man discreetly at congregation book-studies. The elders got the law involved before speaking publicly about him.
Old witch be quiet. If what you say is true they would not have 23,00 reported cases of child rape. They do. Children don't lie. They do the minimum of what they have to do when they have too. Always a day late!!!
Hoodwinked

Murrieta, CA

#170 Aug 18, 2012
diogenes wrote:
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Really, how many can you name?
Court documents...http://www.watchto werdocuments.com/cases/zalkin. html

Click on •Zalkin Complaint for Damages for four remaining victims 8-26-11

here are a few..
diogenes

Dallas, TX

#171 Aug 18, 2012
Hoodwinked wrote:
<quoted text>Court documents...http://www.watchto werdocuments.com/cases/zalkin. html
Click on •Zalkin Complaint for Damages for four remaining victims 8-26-11
here are a few..
1. Not a householder.
2. Far more children die from vending machine accidents.
diogenes

Dallas, TX

#172 Aug 18, 2012
MENAgirl wrote:
<quoted text>Kendricks didn't even rate a JC since "touching" is not considered a heinous offense even when it is a little girl who is sleeping and is your own daughter! Non consensual touching of a child is NOT in their books as anything to even be concerned about, apparently! So why would they worry about him?
How do you feel about the organization that sent Kendrick back home to live with the victim?
Hoodwinked

Murrieta, CA

#173 Aug 18, 2012
diogenes wrote:
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1. Not a householder.
2. Far more children die from vending machine accidents.
WOW!! 4 children molested out on service or bible studies and you say..."not a householder"??
Your one sicko!!
Key word "accidents" a known child molester having free reign on children inside and outside the congregation is no accident!

“KeepProclaiming Christ Death ”

Since: Dec 09

Lynchburg, VA

#174 Aug 18, 2012
diogenes wrote:
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1. Not a householder.
2. Far more children die from vending machine accidents.
How many vending machines go to jail?~with emphases~ Pass on to the next householder because there ain't any householder home here. This house is empty!
MENAgirl

Cairo, Egypt

#175 Aug 18, 2012
diogenes wrote:
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How do you feel about the organization that sent Kendrick back home to live with the victim?
What I think about the judicial system has nothing to do with what the WT is doing. What do YOU think about the org. giving a pat on the hand (not EVEN a slap) because he only "touched" his daughters breast while she was sleeping? The govt wasn't sued (and that's another issue but not an available option), the WT was.

The WT is the one that was held responsible for their own actions and you keep trying to deflect it, accusing Conti of lying and questioning her motives. STOP for a minute and examine the organization a bit here. They knew and have known-for years-that they have abusive people in the organization and the very nature of their association and their isolation from society in general gives them a broader access in the congregations along with an inherent trust that is given because of the general mindset that JWs are better and "cleaner" than everyone else. "Jehovah's "Clean" organization" I remember that phrase-and we all bought into it. That gives the entire WT org. structure a higher responsibility for KEEPING it that way and when they KNOW there is a big fat turd sitting in the front row ready to give the closing prayer, then they damn well have a responsibility to hand out the poop scoopers and trash bags!

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