Is this JW waking up?

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#42 Nov 14, 2012
bystander no more wrote:
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Yes, miseracord, array is a long time apostate.
She is a follower of yet another apostate who calls himself Perimeno.
really i do not follow any man, including the GB, you do!!

you are yet to refute anything he has scriptually that has been posted on here. Calling others apostates because they have shown scriptually that some doctrines and beliefs of the GB are incorrect, is a cop out. Would you show please what it is that is scriptually incorrect. If you cant then it is YOU that is the apostate to Gods word.

Seeing that the miseracord,(who is obviously a long time poster on here under a different name) could not answer what I posted from the WT own publications, maybe you could help him out, if not then I suggest that reconsider your slanderous name calling.

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#43 Nov 14, 2012
bystander no more wrote:
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I wasn't referring to miseracord.
no but you were mouthing of about another poster coming on under a different name that you think has been here awhile, so why not apply the same to miseracord, but of cause you know who that person may possibly be.

And seeing you like to call other anointed apostates, why not go directly to perimeno with your accusations, or come back and scriptually show what it is you have the hide to call him an apostate against Jehovah for, but as you know its just because others have called out the wrong scriptually teachings that the GB have taught, if you think he wrong then show it scriptually.

i agree with a lot of what perimeo says because it is scriptually sound, what is it that is not correct to tell him.

Since: Oct 10

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#44 Nov 14, 2012
bystander no more wrote:
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Yes, miseracord, array is a long time apostate.
She is a follower of yet another apostate who calls himself Perimeno.
and what of all the links the WT witnesses on here put to thirdwitnness blog, on the UN and child abuse issues, nothing he writes I have ever seen in a WT or on the info board at the KH, nor any talks, he has his little following on here, and very if ever is their any scriptures on his blog, all secular reasoning only, yet you lot follow him around like some guru. Why not say the same thing to your mates on here.
Nothing third blogs is approved by your GB, go have a chat to him and help him out, show that sisterly love.

Yet this is what your GB says about these ones.

18 Noticeably, there have been a number of individuals who have created Web sites ostensibly to preach the good news. Many of these sites are sponsored by indiscreet brothers. Other sites may be sponsored by apostates who wish to lure unsuspecting ones.(2 John 9-11) Commenting on whether there is a need for our brothers to create such Web sites, Our Kingdom Ministry, November 1997, page 3, stated:“There is no need for any individual to prepare Internet pages about Jehovah’s Witnesses, our activities, or our beliefs. Our official site [www.watchtower.org] presents accurate information for any who want it.”

kingdom ministry November 1999 "Use of the Internet. Be alert"

“Mystical Atheism for everyone!”

Since: Nov 08

El Cerrito California

#45 Nov 15, 2012
LOCKSTEP RELIGION!

The Jehovah's Witnesses are a dramatic example but any spiritual foundation based on second hand unconfirmed knowledge is a spiritual foundation built on sand.

The organization of Jehovah's Witnesses is a part of a greater insanity. They are a part of the majority of humanity that live in the delusion of a fragmented universe with a distant creator god.

This flies in the face of the teachings of the historical Jesus who's teachings were of the Jewish OMNIPRESENT GOD that he grew up with.

There are various sorts of concepts that people hold of GOD. All are wrong! GOD can not be conceptualized!

A concept of GOD is a graven image whether it is carved in stone or written in a book!

The most that can be said about GOD is what GOD said himself:

"14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you."

GOD is all that is real and GOD is ONE!

Jumping from the cosmology of the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses to one of the other forms of the Roman hoax of Christianity is simply rearranging the furniture in the madhouse.

Waking up is to accept your place in GOD and start living it.

It has nothing to with any belief system based on unconfirmed second hand knowledge.

We all need to get informed as to the evil nature of the Roman hoax of Christianity and it's many derivatives that deny the Jewish GOD and the Jewish Jesus and get involved in restoring true Christianity based on the OMNIPRESENT GOD of Israel to humanity that is even now being found to be in accord with the latest scientific findings concerning the nature of the Cosmos!

GOD is LOVE. WE are ALL ONE WITH GOD, even the unloving!

Since: Nov 09

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#46 Nov 15, 2012
bystander no more wrote:
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Ray Franz was a 'longstanding JW in good standing', until he turned apostate.
Your website reminds me of the anointedjw website; subtly implanting doubts.
Ray Franz tried to point out to the GB a teaching they had wrong. Many years later, they came out that they had made a mistake, but did they apologize to Franz and say he was right about it? Of course not. He was not an apostate but a man who believed the bible over the GB. He will be counted as one of Jesus Children. If you are not to scared you should really read his book Crisis of Conscience, it is really and eye opener. But what is said, you will not read it due to the GB saying its a NO NO.

There is no need to subtly implant doubts, all you have to do is read the bible to find the truth, Jesus is your only Savior, he is the ONLY way to salvation, you do not need a religion or a organization, you only need to Truly Believe in JESUS to obtain it. See how far the GB gets you, or the religion of JW's when you stand before the Great White Throne Judgment.

Since: Nov 09

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#47 Nov 15, 2012
bystander no more wrote:
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Yes, miseracord, array is a long time apostate.
She is a follower of yet another apostate who calls himself Perimeno.
And you put your faith in who? The GB! Why not jut put your faith in Jesus as the bible tells us to do? So array reads the words of Perimeno, you read the words of the GB, please explain the difference. Both are merely earthly men with some biblical knowledge.
UNchained

Kingsport, TN

#48 Nov 15, 2012
array wrote:

that was not the point being made. And on this forum I have said that the WT does produce some very good moral teachings, but not all that they print is true, otherwise they would not keep having to change this, the point of the post was that the WT is regarded as coming from God.
Now your nasty little comment looks ever so silly now doesn't it.
miseracord wrote:
<quoted text>No, it doesn't. Because most of us, including the greatest of religious commentators "make mistakes" from time to time. True servants of God correct a mistake when it becomes apparent. I notice you have little good to say about your religion and the publications presenting ideas and reflections upon the scriptures. If a scientist that makes great breakthroughs "makes mistakes" from time to time but corrects them, only a stupid person would keep bringing up those mistakes in a critical, pejorative way, as if to bring reproach to that person, possibly even preventing someone from entering the kingdom.
All that would be well and good EXCEPT for one small detail that you have conveniently (for you) left out.

The Watchtower Publishing Company EXPECTS JW's to accept every word printed in its publications as coming directly from God and everyone who rejects what you falsely label as their "ideas and reflections upon the scriptures" is going to have to be annihilated.

When some dudes up in NYC make the following foolish and asinine claims and then print "ideas and reflections upon the scriptures" that constantly have to be changed and revised because TIME proves them DOA then one has to wonder how anyone can trust anything in their material:

Consider, too, the fact that Jehovah's organization alone, in all the earth, is directed by God's holy spirit or active force.(Zech. 4:6) Only this organization functions for Jehovah's purpose and to his praise. To it alone God's Sacred Word, the Bible, is not a sealed book. Many persons of the world are very intelligent, capable of understanding complex matters. They can read the Holy Scriptures, but they cannot understand their deep meaning. Yet God's people can comprehend such spiritual things. Why? Not because of special intelligence on their part, but as the apostle Paul declared: "For it is to us God has revealed them through his spirit, for the spirit searches into all things, even the deep things of God.


July 1, 1973 Watchtower
Page 402

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#49 Nov 15, 2012
bystander no more wrote:
Just another apostate site futilely attempting to undermine the authority of the GB.
The gb has no scriptural authority.

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Since: Sep 12

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#50 Nov 15, 2012
bystander no more wrote:
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Yes, miseracord, array is a long time apostate.
She is a follower of yet another apostate who calls himself Perimeno.
You are an apostate.
TPMP

New York, NY

#51 Nov 15, 2012
Florida Sunshine wrote:
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Yeah stupid, Jesus even shared a meal with sinners also, so what does that say?
Jw's are a dangerous cult and you know it, your just trying to kiss azz for your inlaws money when they die.
You have a twisted mind. Warped, in fact.

How sad.

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I'll tell you one thing though.(If i was ever in trouble with the law.(thankfully i never am. I carry on all my personal affair with the utmost discretion and good judgement). Both my family, in-laws and friends would be there in a jiffy.

It's unfortunate that you can't say the same for yours.

They let you rot in the can for 3 months.

It does speak volumes as to how how little they esteem you.

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Yet, apparently you still have learned anything.

This will be repeated again. Until, you finally get the lesson.

Such is life.
bystander no more

Elk Grove, CA

#52 Nov 15, 2012
array wrote:
...i agree with a lot of what perimeo says...
The Truth is not scattered among a dozen different 'anointed' apostate websites like perimeno, e-watchman, etc.

There is only 1 Truth, and the GB has it.

If you don't want it, that's your problem.
bystander no more

Elk Grove, CA

#53 Nov 15, 2012
eagleeye2 wrote:
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There's one on here doing that now (not sure if he claims to be anointed but hints he has a special appointment similar to the governing body and is smarter than they are). Drops subtle slams on the brothers and attacks every Witness or anyone who is not anti-Witness in one way or another and buddies up with all the anti-Witnesses. Have you spotted him? If not, check your e-mail on Yahoo.
The weird thing is, he claims to be a JW and yet tells other JW's that they shouldn't be here.

If that's the way he feels, what is HE doing here?

Hypocrisy?

Since: Nov 09

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#54 Nov 15, 2012
bystander no more wrote:
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The Truth is not scattered among a dozen different 'anointed' apostate websites like perimeno, e-watchman, etc.
There is only 1 Truth, and the GB has it.
If you don't want it, that's your problem.
There is only One truth and the bible has it,and where doe the bible say it lays....

John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Do you see anything about the GB having the truth there?

John 10:9 I am the gate; whoever enters through me will be saved. He will come in and go out, and find pasture

Jesus is the gate we enter in to, not the WTO.

John 11:25 Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in me will live, even though he dies;

Jesus said it was HIM we believe in, not a religion or organization.

1 John 5:20 We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true--even in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.

Who gave us understanding? Jesus did. Who are we in? God and his son Jesus, no mention of a religion or organization.

Ephesians 2:18 For through him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit

Through Jesus we have access to the Father by One Spirit, not by the GB, or the WTO. ONLY JESUS.
dee lightful

Piedmont, SC

#55 Nov 15, 2012
Florida Sunshine wrote:
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Yeah stupid, Jesus even shared a meal with sinners also, so what does that say?
Jw's are a dangerous cult and you know it, your just trying to kiss azz for your inlaws money when they die.
that rightly put TPMP to flight. If he had any sense he would absorb what you said and know just how wrong the WT/GB is in this respect.
The main reason for the disf of R.Franz was to prevent the jw'S from hearing the truth in his books. When they control the information a JW get in order that they only see what the GB/WT allow. No thinking just blind acceptance of flip flopping teachers who are false prophets. Controlling info is a sign of desperation, fear of the truth.

“John 4:23,24”

Since: Oct 09

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#56 Nov 15, 2012
bystander no more wrote:
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The weird thing is, he claims to be a JW and yet tells other JW's that they shouldn't be here.
If that's the way he feels, what is HE doing here?
Hypocrisy?
He has special powers and has determined that no one here is a Witness except him.
TPMP

New York, NY

#57 Nov 15, 2012
dee lightful wrote:
<quoted text> that rightly put TPMP to flight. If he had any sense he would absorb what you said and know just how wrong the WT/GB is in this respect.
The main reason for the disf of R.Franz was to prevent the jw'S from hearing the truth in his books. When they control the information a JW get in order that they only see what the GB/WT allow. No thinking just blind acceptance of flip flopping teachers who are false prophets. Controlling info is a sign of desperation, fear of the truth.
Like Shell knows anything.

Seriously......You don't realize how ridiculous you look?

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R Franz was an apostate. I don't question the brothers. He was an apostate and he was df'd for being an apostate.

Period.
Florida Sunshine

Jacksonville, FL

#58 Nov 15, 2012
TPMP wrote:
<quoted text>Like Shell knows anything.
Seriously......You don't realize how ridiculous you look?
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R Franz was an apostate. I don't question the brothers. He was an apostate and he was df'd for being an apostate.
Period.
LIAR!
dee lightful

Piedmont, SC

#59 Nov 15, 2012
TPMP wrote:
<quoted text>Like Shell knows anything.
Seriously......You don't realize how ridiculous you look?
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R Franz was an apostate. I don't question the brothers. He was an apostate and he was df'd for being an apostate.
Period.
LOL that's he point TPMP, you should question the brothers since you now know Jesus ate with sinners. Do you consider the JW brothers greater than Jesus? Seems like you give more heed to JW brothers than you do to Jesus.
LURKERS and BIBLE STUDIES
Note that means jw's follow men instead of Jesus just like Christians have been saying all along.
bystander no more

Elk Grove, CA

#60 Nov 15, 2012
eagleeye2 wrote:
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He has special powers and has determined that no one here is a Witness except him.
LOL!

Well, we know better don't we Sweetie :-)

What kind of special powers?

“John 4:23,24”

Since: Oct 09

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#61 Nov 15, 2012
bystander no more wrote:
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LOL!
Well, we know better don't we Sweetie :-)
What kind of special powers?
He can disfellowship people instantly online if he disapproves of them.

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