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“BIBLE TRUTHS *NEVER* CHANGE”

Since: Aug 09

LET GO AND LET GOD

#102 Nov 16, 2009
Spike Tassel of JWN wrote:
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this is what the currently disfellowshipped renny goes thru as she allegedly attends meetings.
Oh who knows? She has posted so much garbage and "I'm leaving-I'm back again-I'm leaving again" nonsense on here and on JWN...that you can't believe a word she says. Anyone that has read her (years of) posts from way back "when" til now....has to see she isn't very consistent in what she preaches to those that will listen.
Spike Tassel of JWN

Boonton, NJ

#103 Nov 16, 2009
Nedoba wrote:
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Oh who knows? She has posted so much garbage and "I'm leaving-I'm back again-I'm leaving again" nonsense on here and on JWN...that you can't believe a word she says. Anyone that has read her (years of) posts from way back "when" til now....has to see she isn't very consistent in what she preaches to those that will listen.
Years? How long?

“BIBLE TRUTHS *NEVER* CHANGE”

Since: Aug 09

LET GO AND LET GOD

#104 Nov 16, 2009
Gareth wrote:
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You are a very spiteful, malicious and hateful person. Even the anti-JWs think you are a nutcase.
Get some help or grow up.
Do you see most of EE's, NRs. JWF's and Yuni's posts as being from hateful, malicious and hateful people?

Do you suggest that THEY get some help or grow up?

Since: Feb 07

RI

#105 Nov 16, 2009
RedhorseWoman wrote:
How far back does that CD go? Do you have the original publications from those years and have you verified that they haven't modified anything? Or do you even care?
Why don't you provide proof of this assertion that the WTS "edit" what they put on the CD to be different from the original publications?{/QUOTE]

Oh, well, it looks as if a nerve was struck by my question. I never "asserted" anything. I simply asked if she had checked out the info against the original publications to ensure that everything was the same.

Your reaction indicates that you know something might not be correct, and you are just trying to blow smoke to make sure that nobody checks it out.

Very telling on your part, Gareth.

{QUOTE]I know. Because this is just another one of your nonsense baseless claims that you expect everyone else to prove wrong when it is you who needs to provide some shred of evidence before you will be taken seriously.{/QUOTE]

No claim on MY part, Gareth. Just a question to find out if she ever verified everything. Looks like YOU are twitching with anxiety over it, though.

[QUOTE]So when Jesus came to separate the wheat from the weeds, then obviously the wheat came out of Christendom. The core true teachings have been preserved throughout the centuries by the true Christian wheat like ones.
So, then, perhaps you could list for us those religious groups that HAVE taught the "core true teachings" throughout the centuries? Wonder if THOSE "true religions" have promoted the same types of ridiculous teachings that the WTS has done. Or, could it be that JWs are truly apostates from the truth that was taught by those "true religions" for all those centuries?
The truth NEVER went away! It just got smothered by Christendom for 1800 years.
It got smothered? But, didn't you just claim that there have been "true Christians" throughout the centuries? Who ARE these true Christians and to what religious group did they belong? Probably Adventists, right, since CT Russell apostasized from the Adventists and built on those "true core teachings."
I rather think your pages and pages of baseless assertions, gross distortions and worse are not exactly what one would call a good record.
I rather think that YOU need a course in reading comprehension.

Since: Feb 07

RI

#106 Nov 16, 2009
Gareth wrote:
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In ANY manner? That's rubbish. There are some VERY SPECIFIC actions that the WTS criticise other religions fr. The WTS has NEVER engaged in those VERY SPECIFIC actions to any degree whatsoever.
Show me ONE instance of the WT doing something it criticised another religion for doing in connection with the UN.
No one has ever been able to find one.
Just people like you totally exagerate the WTS position on dealing with the authorities.
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The UN is a body comprised of every major government in the world. Interacting with the UN is simply interacting with all those governments through their managed agreements.
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They don't try to cover it up. There is no evidence of this having happened. Another baseless assertion that you can not prove.
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This is just nonsense. The Bible does not lead us to expect that those taking the lead would be perfect and have everything right.
If you believe in what the Bible says then we expect mistakes to be made.
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You see lies and deceit where there is only humble men doing a very good job, albeit making the occasional mistake. Either you are badly paranoid or blinded by hatred.
Twist, twist, twist, Gareth. The smoke and mirrors can't hide what any rational, intelligent person can clearly see. Sweep away, Gareth, but the truth still is out there for anyone willing to investigate...and YOU don't present it.

Since: Feb 07

RI

#107 Nov 16, 2009
Gareth wrote:
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In ANY manner? That's rubbish. There are some VERY SPECIFIC actions that the WTS criticise other religions fr. The WTS has NEVER engaged in those VERY SPECIFIC actions to any degree whatsoever.
Show me ONE instance of the WT doing something it criticised another religion for doing in connection with the UN.
No one has ever been able to find one.
Just people like you totally exagerate the WTS position on dealing with the authorities.
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The UN is a body comprised of every major government in the world. Interacting with the UN is simply interacting with all those governments through their managed agreements.
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They don't try to cover it up. There is no evidence of this having happened. Another baseless assertion that you can not prove.
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This is just nonsense. The Bible does not lead us to expect that those taking the lead would be perfect and have everything right.
If you believe in what the Bible says then we expect mistakes to be made.
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You see lies and deceit where there is only humble men doing a very good job, albeit making the occasional mistake. Either you are badly paranoid or blinded by hatred.
And, since you claim that everything done by the WTS with regard to the UN was absolutely appropriate and not at all like the type of actions God presumably condemns by those OTHER religions, why is it that the WTS very hastily backed out of their totally "innocuous, innocent and valid" relationship with the UN as soon as they were outed by the media?

Why are they no longer an NGO/DPI member, Gareth? Why do they no longer require that absolutely vital library card (ROFL) and why do they no longer need to be in subjection to that "superior authority?"

Care to answer the questions, or will you run and hide?
JWForever

Charleston, WV

#108 Nov 16, 2009
Spike Tassel of JWN wrote:
JWF you and i have always gotten along well and i actually thought we had struck a friendship. why the hatred? i was wondering if this would be helpful to renny to slow down and think. i was helping. it would also help her character by bringing her down to earth. instead of renny typing her stuff in such a haphazard way she would have a much slower thought process and would have to get up and puke before typing which would allow her time to rethink and then after typing would have to change her diaper and this would give her time to reflect on herself.
No we have not gotten along. You're disgusting.
JWForever

United States

#109 Nov 16, 2009
Spike I apologize for my earlier comments to you. You were spot on in what you said about Reniaa, she is a filthy pig. Please accept my apologies.
JWForever

Charleston, WV

#110 Nov 16, 2009
Nedoba wrote:
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How much "dignity" is there when someone (I assume) is at the lowest point in his life and wants to come back into the Watchtower fold,
and he is treated like pondscum not allowed to join in hearing a prayer, or singing,
cannot make eye contact with their former brothers and sisters and will never even hear a simple HELLO until the ELDERS DECIDE if he is repentant enough.
Wow... months and months and months of THIS treatment....how loving, huh?
Yep...it sure sounds like something Jesus would do.
NOT.
LOL!!! since you've never wanted to come back, I'm sure you do not speak from experience.

I have seen several disfellowshipped person who bow their heads during prayer and they sing. One guy has a beautiful voice and sometimes you can hear him above the rest.

They hold their head up high as the rest of us. They are not made to feel shame or anything else. That would be in their minds if they felt bad.

So no, none of what you have said is true.
Spike Tassel of JWN

Boonton, NJ

#111 Nov 16, 2009
apology accepted JWF
JWForever

Charleston, WV

#112 Nov 16, 2009
Spike Tassel of JWN wrote:
apology accepted JWF
I didn't give you one. I have nothing to apologize for.
JWForever

Charleston, WV

#113 Nov 16, 2009
JWForever wrote:
Spike I apologize for my earlier comments to you. You were spot on in what you said about Reniaa, she is a filthy pig. Please accept my apologies.
and you are a filthy pig, too...imposter prime.
Spike Tassel of JWN

Boonton, NJ

#114 Nov 16, 2009
JWF you are the filthy pig here. you and Big Pig belong together. are you going to concuss her?

“BIBLE TRUTHS *NEVER* CHANGE”

Since: Aug 09

LET GO AND LET GOD

#115 Nov 16, 2009
JWForever wrote:
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LOL!!! since you've never wanted to come back, I'm sure you do not speak from experience.
I have seen several disfellowshipped person who bow their heads during prayer and they sing. One guy has a beautiful voice and sometimes you can hear him above the rest.
They hold their head up high as the rest of us. They are not made to feel shame or anything else. That would be in their minds if they felt bad.
So no, none of what you have said is true.
since you've never wanted to come back, I'm sure you do not speak from experience.

What gave it away, Sherlock....the fact that I said I assumed something?

I HAVE sat by or behind "unapproved-by-the-WTS ones" who have come in late, after the prayer...and the song...sat like a lonely lump throughout an entire meeting, and left with their heads down before the song and final prayer. I have seen this on many many occasions.

Anyone with even a drop of love for a fellow human being would feel SO awful at the way they are treated. JWs think it's "what Jesus would do."

So you can sit there and holler 'ITS ALL LIES' as you normally do....but I know what I observed. After 30 years of meeting attendance I THINK I know how things are done here in this area. It really stinks and whats more, is so unchristian.

If it IS done differently where YOU attend...it looks like your "kingdom unity" has fallen apart once again.
JWForever

Charleston, WV

#116 Nov 16, 2009
Nedoba wrote:
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since you've never wanted to come back, I'm sure you do not speak from experience.
What gave it away, Sherlock....the fact that I said I assumed something?
I HAVE sat by or behind "unapproved-by-the-WTS ones" who have come in late, after the prayer...and the song...sat like a lonely lump throughout an entire meeting, and left with their heads down before the song and final prayer. I have seen this on many many occasions.
Anyone with even a drop of love for a fellow human being would feel SO awful at the way they are treated. JWs think it's "what Jesus would do."
So you can sit there and holler 'ITS ALL LIES' as you normally do....but I know what I observed. After 30 years of meeting attendance I THINK I know how things are done here in this area. It really stinks and whats more, is so unchristian.
If it IS done differently where YOU attend...it looks like your "kingdom unity" has fallen apart once again.
If you threated them like that, then shame on you.

Our meeting yesterday showed how we treat and feel about those who are Df'd. We want them to come back, therefore we wouldn't treat them like dogs as you described. They know about the DF arrangement therefore they do not expect to be talked to, but they hold their head up high and join in with the singing and praying.

I go by what I experienced and since you have shown to be less than truthful and biased, I'll go by "my experiences" and say we leave them with their dignity.
Prime

United States

#117 Nov 16, 2009
JWForever wrote:
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and you are a filthy pig, too...imposter prime.
JWF Why do you feel it's necessary to bring me into your arguments? You continue to make yourself look more foolish every time you do that! I did not post to you banjo picker!!!! So don't accuse me of it!!!

“BIBLE TRUTHS *NEVER* CHANGE”

Since: Aug 09

LET GO AND LET GOD

#118 Nov 16, 2009
JWForever wrote:
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If you threated them like that, then shame on you.
Our meeting yesterday showed how we treat and feel about those who are Df'd. We want them to come back, therefore we wouldn't treat them like dogs as you described. They know about the DF arrangement therefore they do not expect to be talked to, but they hold their head up high and join in with the singing and praying.
I go by what I experienced and since you have shown to be less than truthful and biased, I'll go by "my experiences" and say we leave them with their dignity.
If I read you correctly..your "how I threated them" went over your head. You are quite thickheaded at times...AS WELL AS being a liar.

What CHOICE DOES ANY JW HAVE when they are in a Kingdom Hall and a DFed person walks in and sits next to them? Would YOU do anything different at the meeting and while the elders were right there? DO tell us about that.

Are you allowed TO SPEAK AND OFFER A POLITE hello?(Heck--you're ALL syrupy sweet to the householders aren't you?) But you can't even lock eyes with one you claim to love? How stinking judgmental can you be?

Are any JWs ALLOWED to treat DFed ones like human beings....or does the cruelty of the Watchtower shine brightly when they enforce their evil shunning? Sorry...but this stinks and so does the WTS policy.

Go ahead...tell me I am lying about this....and make yourself look more of the fool than you already have.... JWforever.

“BIBLE TRUTHS *NEVER* CHANGE”

Since: Aug 09

LET GO AND LET GOD

#119 Nov 16, 2009
***If you threated them like that, then shame on you.

Yeah....I agree! Shame on ME for even paying any attention to anything the WTS SEZ that was cruel, uncaring and most of all totally unchristian!

Shame on ME for being so badly misled by evil and controlling men for so many years....and shame on ME for allowing myself to be so terribly manipulated all that time.

I should have wised up a long time ago.

So should YOU.
Interested One

East Hanover, NJ

#120 Nov 16, 2009
OMG
Spike Tassel of JWN

East Hanover, NJ

#121 Nov 16, 2009
JWF think of it; reniaa gets her bell rung and wakes up with a concussion, her post concussion syndrome lasts for a year or so, Instead of her crazy 30 posts a day she would be able to only post one or two times a day since her thinking capacity is stunted. after her post you and gareth can help change her poopy diaper and bathe her as well. i think a concussion would be the best thing that ever happened to the big pig.

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