Jesus' Theology
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Unknown

Walkley Heights, Australia

#1 Jan 22, 2013
Simple questions for all to answer.

Was Jesus a Trinitarian (orthodox Christian) or a Unitarian (orthodox Jew)?

Was Jesus raised as a Trinitarian or was He raised as a Unitarian by His parents/culture?
Unknown

Walkley Heights, Australia

#2 Jan 22, 2013
bttt

Since: Jun 11

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#3 Jan 22, 2013
Unknown wrote:
Simple questions for all to answer.
Was Jesus a Trinitarian (orthodox Christian) or a Unitarian (orthodox Jew)?
Was Jesus raised as a Trinitarian or was He raised as a Unitarian by His parents/culture?
How about none of the above? Jesus didn't belong to any organized religion. He followed the law covenant given through Moses. He was a part of the nation of Israel, and as such he had to observe the rituals and festivals and laws of the nation, given directly by God. He did not subscribe to the Judaism of the day, in fact he criticized those responsible for promoting it. While his sacrificial, in God's eyes, death put an end to the law, the principles he propounded were found in that law, and those festivals.

sidgi
Unknown

Walkley Heights, Australia

#4 Jan 23, 2013
sidgi wrote:
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How about none of the above? Jesus didn't belong to any organized religion. He followed the law covenant given through Moses. He was a part of the nation of Israel, and as such he had to observe the rituals and festivals and laws of the nation, given directly by God. He did not subscribe to the Judaism of the day, in fact he criticized those responsible for promoting it. While his sacrificial, in God's eyes, death put an end to the law, the principles he propounded were found in that law, and those festivals.
sidgi
Thanks for ignoring the question all together and misrepresenting what it is that I asked. I never said anything about organised religion. I asked what Jesus' view on God was.

Was Jesus a Trinitarian or Unitarian?

Was Jesus raised as a Trinitarian or Unitarian by His parents/culture?

Since: Apr 10

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#5 Jan 23, 2013
Unknown wrote:
Simple questions for all to answer.
Was Jesus a Trinitarian (orthodox Christian) or a Unitarian (orthodox Jew)?
Was Jesus raised as a Trinitarian or was He raised as a Unitarian by His parents/culture?
Instead of seeking an answer from people, why not seek scripture?

You can't even tell us WHO Jesus Christ is, and now you want to talk about how He was raised.

Luke 9:20

20 And He said to them, But whom
do you say Me to be? And answering,
Peter said, The Messiah of YAHWEH.

Mark 8:29

29 And He said to them, And you,
whom do you say Me to be? And
answering, Peter said to Him, You are
the Messiah.

Who do you say that Jesus is?

Are you determined to remain ignorant?

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#6 Jan 23, 2013
Unknown wrote:
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Thanks for ignoring the question all together and misrepresenting what it is that I asked. I never said anything about organised religion. I asked what Jesus' view on God was.
Was Jesus a Trinitarian or Unitarian?
Was Jesus raised as a Trinitarian or Unitarian by His parents/culture?
Those are organized religious positions that didn't exist until long after Jesus died. So Jesus couldn't have had any of them. His position is available to us, just by reading the bible, and it is pretty much what I described. If you wish to attack those positions, trinitarian and unitarian, why not do so directly with his own words, instead of putting up a straw man issue to tear down?

sidgi
Unknown

Walkley Heights, Australia

#7 Jan 23, 2013
FARKEL wrote:
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Instead of seeking an answer from people, why not seek scripture?
You can't even tell us WHO Jesus Christ is, and now you want to talk about how He was raised.
Luke 9:20
20 And He said to them, But whom
do you say Me to be? And answering,
Peter said, The Messiah of YAHWEH.
Mark 8:29
29 And He said to them, And you,
whom do you say Me to be? And
answering, Peter said to Him, You are
the Messiah.
Who do you say that Jesus is?
Are you determined to remain ignorant?
I fully accept that Jesus is YHWH's Messiah. All of this is a red herring though.

Red herring is an English-language idiom that commonly refers to a type of logical fallacy in which a clue is intentionally or unintentionally misleading or distracting from the actual issue.

Was Jesus a Trinitarian or Unitarian?

Was Jesus raised as a Trinitarian or Unitarian by His parent/culture?
Unknown

Walkley Heights, Australia

#8 Jan 23, 2013
sidgi wrote:
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Those are organized religious positions that didn't exist until long after Jesus died. So Jesus couldn't have had any of them. His position is available to us, just by reading the bible, and it is pretty much what I described. If you wish to attack those positions, trinitarian and unitarian, why not do so directly with his own words, instead of putting up a straw man issue to tear down?
sidgi
I'm not using them in the sense of organized religions positions. I'm using the terms to define a view of God. Jew's had a view of God, so I'm asking what is that view called.

Was Jesus a Trinitarian or Unitarian?

Was Jesus raised as a Trinitarian or Unitarian by His parents/culture?

Since: Jun 11

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#9 Jan 23, 2013
Unknown wrote:
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I'm not using them in the sense of organized religions positions. I'm using the terms to define a view of God. Jew's had a view of God, so I'm asking what is that view called.
Was Jesus a Trinitarian or Unitarian?
Was Jesus raised as a Trinitarian or Unitarian by His parents/culture?
I think that you will never get an answer to your question, because it is not an intelligent one. If you just ask if Jesus believed in anything resembling a trinity, or if he believed in a singular God, you would probably get an answer. Though not from me. There doesn't seem to be any value in subjects like this one, and there are already several trinity type discussions, ongoing here.

sidgi

“Believe & Salvation is yours”

Since: Dec 12

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#10 Jan 23, 2013
Unknown wrote:
Simple questions for all to answer.
Was Jesus a Trinitarian (orthodox Christian) or a Unitarian (orthodox Jew)?
Was Jesus raised as a Trinitarian or was He raised as a Unitarian by His parents/culture?
Jesus was raised in a Jewish environment. The WORD made Flesh came from the line of David.

“NO, YOU MOVE.”

Since: Dec 06

Republic of Elbonia

#11 Jan 23, 2013
Unknown wrote:
Simple questions for all to answer.
Was Jesus a Trinitarian (orthodox Christian) or a Unitarian (orthodox Jew)?
Biblejesus was a Witness of YHWH.[1]

Unknown: Was Jesus raised as a Trinitarian or was He raised as a Unitarian by His parents/culture?

Reply: His familial/cultural upbringing was largely irrelevant to that which was allegedly taught by him in the gospels; he certainly did not prescribe that his followers continue the jewish system, nor did he prescribe the whorship in the vein of the, "Christians" of later centuries who adopted the, "vulgar appellation" [1] of the Romans who took aspects of what is presented in the NT and mashed it together with aspects of their polytheistic pantheon and other paganism that was the legacy of ancient Babylon [and tweaked along the way] into the State death cult with its multiple-personality disordered, "trinity" machination that serves as the basis for what is commonly known as, "christianity" today ["true" christianity, according to some other posters here who have left the JW sect for one of the other sects that has been fashioned in the manner of the Roman State death cult] which I refer to as Xtianity and is accurately referred to as, "Churcianity" by others.

Reference:
_____

[1] http://books.google.com/...

See also:
_____

http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-...
man_711

Seattle, WA

#12 Jan 23, 2013
sidgi wrote:
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How about none of the above? Jesus didn't belong to any organized religion. He followed the law covenant given through Moses. He was a part of the nation of Israel, and as such he had to observe the rituals and festivals and laws of the nation, given directly by God. He did not subscribe to the Judaism of the day, in fact he criticized those responsible for promoting it. While his sacrificial, in God's eyes, death put an end to the law, the principles he propounded were found in that law, and those festivals.
sidgi
Good answer.
man_711

Seattle, WA

#13 Jan 23, 2013
Unknown wrote:
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Thanks for ignoring the question all together and misrepresenting what it is that I asked. I never said anything about organised religion. I asked what Jesus' view on God was.
Was Jesus a Trinitarian or Unitarian?
Was Jesus raised as a Trinitarian or Unitarian by His parents/culture?
He answered your question.
man_711

Seattle, WA

#14 Jan 23, 2013
Unknown wrote:
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I'm not using them in the sense of organized religions positions. I'm using the terms to define a view of God. Jew's had a view of God, so I'm asking what is that view called.
Was Jesus a Trinitarian or Unitarian?
Was Jesus raised as a Trinitarian or Unitarian by His parents/culture?
Trinitarian for sure was not a Jewish teaching or the soon to be emerging Christian teaching at that time.

Since: Aug 12

Montréal, Canada

#15 Jan 23, 2013
Unknown wrote:
Simple questions for all to answer.
Was Jesus a Trinitarian (orthodox Christian) or a Unitarian (orthodox Jew)?
Was Jesus raised as a Trinitarian or was He raised as a Unitarian by His parents/culture?
I have a related question for you first. Do you think during Jesus baptism that the knowledge of his pre-human existence was given to him?
little lamb

Brunswick West, Australia

#16 Jan 23, 2013
Jesus was born in the flesh as a Jew; born to Mary and Joseph, and was circumcised on the eighth day like all Jewish boys.

He was under Law, and subjected himself to his own parents , until he became old enough [ about thirty] to be a Priest...when he began his ministry

You are a Priest forever in the manner of Melchizedek.

Jesus also taught , that he came to fulfill the Law given to Israel, and he had not come to destroy it.

Jesus also in the start of his ministry , refused to 'bow down' to Satan..telling him " It is Jehovah God you must worship and it is to him alone you render sacred service."

Jesus worshiped Jehovah God, he did not worship the 'system' of worship, but he worshiped his Father in spirit and truth.

He submitted his will to his Fathers will, in drinking the cup of salvation..he knew from the start that his ministry included the sacrifice of his body and the pouring out of his blood..to bring many sons to glory, through forgiveness of sins.

He was a true JEW in the flesh..and above his torture instrument were placed the words

" King of the Jews."

Jesus worshiped ONE GOD..and his God has now given him the throne of David.
Unknown

Walkley Heights, Australia

#17 Jan 23, 2013
sidgi wrote:
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I think that you will never get an answer to your question, because it is not an intelligent one. If you just ask if Jesus believed in anything resembling a trinity, or if he believed in a singular God, you would probably get an answer. Though not from me. There doesn't seem to be any value in subjects like this one, and there are already several trinity type discussions, ongoing here.
sidgi
None of your reasons for why the questions are not getting answered make any sense. Plenty of unintelligent questions have been answered on here, plenty of unvalued subjects have been discussed in here and plenty of new discussions on the same subject have been started whilst others continue. The reason it doesn't get answered by you or others is because it is controversial. The questions fly right in the face of a persons theology and attack the foundation that it stands upon. You and others like yourself don't want to answer because it's too theologically difficult, it would contradict what you believe so the best thing to do is ignore it and resort to red herring fallacies.
Unknown

Walkley Heights, Australia

#18 Jan 23, 2013
MakesTheTruthHisOwn wrote:
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I have a related question for you first. Do you think during Jesus baptism that the knowledge of his pre-human existence was given to him?
Assuming he personally pre-existed, no. Scripture says no such thing.
Unknown

Walkley Heights, Australia

#19 Jan 23, 2013
FH Chandler wrote:
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Biblejesus was a Witness of YHWH.[1]
Unknown: Was Jesus raised as a Trinitarian or was He raised as a Unitarian by His parents/culture?
Reply: His familial/cultural upbringing was largely irrelevant to that which was allegedly taught by him in the gospels; he certainly did not prescribe that his followers continue the jewish system, nor did he prescribe the whorship in the vein of the, "Christians" of later centuries who adopted the, "vulgar appellation" [1] of the Romans who took aspects of what is presented in the NT and mashed it together with aspects of their polytheistic pantheon and other paganism that was the legacy of ancient Babylon [and tweaked along the way] into the State death cult with its multiple-personality disordered, "trinity" machination that serves as the basis for what is commonly known as, "christianity" today ["true" christianity, according to some other posters here who have left the JW sect for one of the other sects that has been fashioned in the manner of the Roman State death cult] which I refer to as Xtianity and is accurately referred to as, "Churcianity" by others.
Reference:
_____
[1] http://books.google.com/...
See also:
_____
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-...
None of that answers my questions.

What was Jesus' view of God, was He a Trinitarian or Unitarian?

Was He raised as a Trinitarian or a Unitarian by His parents/culture?
Unknown

Walkley Heights, Australia

#20 Jan 23, 2013
man_711 wrote:
<quoted text>He answered your question.
No, he dodged the question. Are you able to answer it?

What was Jesus' view of God, was He Trinitarian or Unitarian?

Was Jesus raised as a Trinitarian or Unitarian by His parents/culture?

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