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Why Belonging to God's Organization is Necessary

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Since: Jul 12

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#1 Jul 25, 2012
Opposers often resort to the so-called preposterous claims that belonging to God's organization is a requirement for salvation in an attempt to discredit JW's. They'll quote miscellaneous WT articles that echo similar sentiments to prove and harp upon their point. But do apostates really have an argument? Are JW's wrong for emphasizing the need to come to God's organization? What does God's word say?

Zechariah 8:23 "This is what Jehovah of armies has said,'It will be in those days that ten men out of all the languages of the nations will take hold, yes, they will actually take hold of the skirt of a man who is a Jew, saying: "We will go with YOU people, for we have heard that God is with YOU people."

Notice that scripture does not say 'We will go with some of you guys who follow God, but they are following God's people as a whole, as an organization.

John 13:34, 35 "I am giving YOU a new commandment, that YOU love one another, just as I have loved YOU, that YOU also love one another. 35 By this all will know that YOU are my disciples, IF YOU HAVE LOVE AMONG YOURSELVES.

Now, notice how Peter reestablishes this commandment. 1 Peter 2:17 "Honor men of all sorts, HAVE LOVE FOR THE WHOLE ASSOCIATION OF BROTHERS..."

And the final nail in the coffin to the anti-JW theology that an organization isn't a requirement or necessary look at Peter's words at 1 Peter 5:9 "But take YOUR stand against him, solid in the faith, knowing that the same things in the way of sufferings are BEING ACCOMPLISHED IN THE ENTIRE ASSOCIATION OF YOUR BROTHERS IN THE WORLD." What was being accomplished in the first century by the entire association of brothers?

All one has to do is look at the entire book of Acts and see what the early Christians spent their time doing in obedience to Jesus' command at Matthew 28:19, 20 "Go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations...teaching them to observe all things I have commanded YOU. And, look! I am with YOU (as a people not random, scattered individuals) all the days until the conclusion of the system of things."

So the early Christians were part of an association of brothers and sisters who accomplished the work of preaching and teaching the good news. The 11th edition of Webster's dictionary defines "organization" on page 874 as "the act of process of organizing of or being organized". The early Christians were organized to preach the good news beyond any doubt.

It also defines "organization" as "ASSOCIATION"...inci dently the same words used by Peter to describe the early Christians.

Dictionary.com 's 5th subheading under "organization" states "5. a group of persons organized for some END or WORK; ASSOCIATION".

It has been proven beyond a doubt that belonging to God's people is necessary for salvation. All one has to do is ask one's self:

Did anyone who did not join Noah and his family on the Ark survive the Flood?

Did anyone besides Lot and his family survive the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah?

Did anyone besides the Christians escape Jerusalem before it was destroyed by the Roman armies?

Will you be able to preach the same good news in over 236 lands if you are not one of Jehovah's Witnesses?

Such anti-organizational reasoning is clearly not in harmony with God's word. Apostates of God's people love to spread such thinking so that you can:

1. Start thinking "I only listen to Jehovah and Jesus, not men" disobeying the command to be obedient to those taking the lead.

2. Stop preaching the good news WITH God's people, and preach their 'own'(a la ewatchman and Don Cameron)

Such reasoning has been exposed for what it is, unscriptural and unfactual.

But there is yet more.
little lamb

Australia

#2 Jul 25, 2012
Can't belong to an organization for a start because it never poured out its BLOOD for us and bought us.

" He who guarantees that you BELONG to Christ and and he who has anointed us is God" 2 Corinthians 1 [21]

So having Gods guarantee who we belong to...we can't have two masters

Jesus is the true Christ [anointed]..the one with the legal right.

organization false Christ[anounted]
little lamb

Australia

#3 Jul 25, 2012
Noah and Lot were saved as family

Gal 3[26] You are all in fact sons of God through your faith in Christ Jesus"

So Jesus has been sent to save us because we all stem from ONE and he is not ashammed to call us brothers.

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#4 Jul 25, 2012
Go here: http://concordances.org/greek/adelphote_ta_81...

You will see the greek word the NWT translates as 'association' at 1 Peter 2:17, 5:9 is adelphotēta, literally translated as 'brotherhood'.

Now go here: http://topicalbible.org/b/brotherhood.htm where the greek word and it's implications are discussed in great detail.

Webster's dictionary gives 4 definitions for the word used here:

1.(n.) A spiritual or social fellowship; The state of being brothers or a brother.

2.(n.) AN ASSOCIATION FOR ANY PURPOSE, as a society of monks; a fraternity.

3.(n.) The whole body of persons ENGAGED IN THE SAME BUSINESS,-- especially those of the same profession; as, the legal or medical brotherhood.

4.(n.) Persons, and, poetically, things, of a like kind.

The NWT accurately translates the word as 'association' since the context of the scripture shows Peter was relating the brotherhood to similar sufferings being ACCOMPLISHED by other Christians. Why were they persecuted and suffering? Because of their preaching the good news.

This shows beyond any doubt, that an organization was established in the first century and it was deemed to be necessary to accomplish the preaching work under the direction of the first century governing body.

But there is still more.
red blood relative

United States

#5 Jul 25, 2012
hey truth seeker, do you mind if i don't put my trust in you and your gov body and their dates of how they got appointed to rule?

nobody got appointed to rule in 1874-1878 and again in 1914-1919

are you misled or something?
please lets discuss it, since its very important
little lamb

Australia

#6 Jul 25, 2012
1 Corinthians 12 [27] " now you are Christs body , and members individually , and God has set in the congregation , first Apostles, second prophets , third teachers , then powerful works, then gifts of healing , helpful services, abilities to direct , different tongues ."

This is what God has set in the Body of Christ...if you can't see all these things operating in an organization, its not Jesus BODY..

1 corinthians 10 [16] The cup of blessing which we bless , is it not a SHARING in the blood of Christ?

The loaf which we break is not a SHARING in the BODY OF CHRIST.
[17] because there is ONE LOAF we, although many are one BODY. For WE ARE ALL partaking of that ONE LOAF."

So the organized BODY of CHRIST WE ARE ALL PARTAKING of the ONE LOAF

A False organization does not have ALL PARTAKING of the ONE LOAF at all.
red blood relative

United States

#7 Jul 25, 2012
hey truth seeker, i was just wondering when your organization got appointed to be the current one appointed by god?

how did the appointment happen?
UNchained

Sweetwater, TN

#8 Jul 25, 2012
Hey truth slinker JW,

Where and who was the organisation when Job was being tormented by satan?
Gotyou

Katy, TX

#9 Jul 25, 2012
Are JWs getting crazier and crazier. Is truthseeker trying to be funny or is he just a plain dumb JW? No accusations. This were just questions.

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#10 Jul 25, 2012
little lamb wrote:
Can't belong to an organization for a start because it never poured out its BLOOD for us and bought us.
" He who guarantees that you BELONG to Christ and and he who has anointed us is God" 2 Corinthians 1 [21]
So having Gods guarantee who we belong to...we can't have two masters
Jesus is the true Christ [anointed]..the one with the legal right.
organization false Christ[anounted]
Irrelevant. That's like saying I can't work a full-time job and still be a servant of Christ. We can't have TWO masters! The organization is simply an association of individuals gathered for the purpose of accomplishing a work. Such has been clearly demonstrated to be scriptural and necessary for the preaching of the good news.

Nice try, but not really.

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#11 Jul 25, 2012
red blood relative wrote:
hey truth seeker, do you mind if i don't put my trust in you and your gov body and their dates of how they got appointed to rule?
nobody got appointed to rule in 1874-1878 and again in 1914-1919
are you misled or something?
please lets discuss it, since its very important
This is an entirely different subject and irrelevant to this thread. If you want to discuss such things in detail start a separate thread and I'll answer your claims. The subject of this thread is the NECESSITY AND SCRIPTURAL BASIS FOR ORGANIZATION.

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#12 Jul 25, 2012
UNchained wrote:
Hey truth slinker JW,
Where and who was the organisation when Job was being tormented by satan?
The organization was in heaven and made up of God's angels. It had not yet been extended to the earth as a visible organization.

Are you going to refute my statements or ask irrelevant questions?

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#13 Jul 25, 2012
Gotyou wrote:
Are JWs getting crazier and crazier. Is truthseeker trying to be funny or is he just a plain dumb JW? No accusations. This were just questions.
I'm the dumb and crazy one yet none of my statements were refuted and/or proven to be false. Apostates can do nothing more than call me an idiot or a fool or retarded, because they have no scriptural answer to my statements. Nice try, but not really.
little lamb

Australia

#14 Jul 25, 2012
TruthSpeakerJW wrote:
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Irrelevant. That's like saying I can't work a full-time job and still be a servant of Christ. We can't have TWO masters! The organization is simply an association of individuals gathered for the purpose of accomplishing a work. Such has been clearly demonstrated to be scriptural and necessary for the preaching of the good news.
Nice try, but not really.
Sorry but God has only ONE BODY..and its the BODY of CHRIST, which he has set up for MINISTERIAL WORK..and everyone in that BODY partakes of the ONE LOAF..which you don't and the majority of your members don't..
Cult Defenders are Liars

Lexington, KY

#15 Jul 25, 2012
"Organization" appears 16,789 times on the 2006 Watchtower Library CD, but never in the Bible.
Cult Defenders are Liars

Lexington, KY

#16 Jul 25, 2012
jehovah's witnesses claim that belonging to an organization is essential for salvation.

"To receive everlasting life in the earthly Paradise we must identify that organization and serve God as part of it." Watchtower 1983 Feb 15 p.12

Yet the word "organization" never appears in the Bible, nor is it ever stated in either the Old or New Testaments that membership of an organization is a requirement of salvation.

The Scriptures repeatedly state that it is faith in Jesus that results in everlasting life.

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#17 Jul 25, 2012
Copying and pasting from JWFacts are we? I'm working on a website exposing every article on that site for what it is, blatant lies. Look out for it :-)
UNchained

Sweetwater, TN

#18 Jul 26, 2012
TruthSpeakerJW wrote:
<quoted text>
The organization was in heaven and made up of God's angels. It had not yet been extended to the earth as a visible organization.
Are you going to refute my statements or ask irrelevant questions?
When was it extended to earth?

BTW, my questions and the answers you are providing is all the refutation anyone needs.
Cult Defenders are Liars

Lexington, KY

#19 Jul 26, 2012
TruthSpeakerJW wrote:
Copying and pasting from JWFacts are we? I'm working on a website exposing every article on that site for what it is, blatant lies. Look out for it :-)
NO, it came from a cult seminar. The same information may be at other places.

The evil, wicked cult you defend teaches lies and so do you.

Do you believe being a part of an organization is necessary to receive salvation? jehovah's witnesses teach this lie and it is not supported by scripture.

But then, not one single jehovah's witness doctrine is supported by scripture in context:-)

Since: Nov 09

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#20 Jul 26, 2012
You don't need an organization, you only need JESUS CHRIST.

Show us one scripture that says we need an organization to be saved. ONLY ONE.

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