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What is the source of jehovah's witness beliefs? The Bible or the Watchtower?

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#1 Aug 27, 2012
jehovah's witnesses hold that one cannot understand the Bible without literature.

The jehovah's witnesses also believe the Bible belongs, not to individuals, but to their "organization".

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#2 Aug 27, 2012
Yeah, I figured as much.

The cult defenders are afraid to expose the tender under belly of Satan's organization.

The fact is, their beliefs do not come from scripture and they are unable to defend the cult's true beliefs.

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#3 Aug 27, 2012
Channel to understanding the Bible... All who want to understand the Bible should appreciate that the "greatly diversified wisdom of God" can become known only through Jehovah’s channel of communication, the faithful and discreet slave.(The Watchtower; 10/1/1994; pp. 8)

This too explains why cult defenders avoid this thread.

“the Word was God”

Since: Jul 11

Ashland, OH

#4 Aug 27, 2012
Anti-Venom wrote:
What is the source of jehovah's witness beliefs? The Bible or the Watchtower?
The source of the claims is lust for power.

That is why the Governing Pharisees continue to uphold the ridiculous 1914 and 1918/1919 lies at it is the backbone of their entire power structure. Without it, they could not longer mercilessly control their followers.

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#5 Aug 27, 2012
Not-A-Goat wrote:
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The source of the claims is lust for power.
That is why the Governing Pharisees continue to uphold the ridiculous 1914 and 1918/1919 lies at it is the backbone of their entire power structure. Without it, they could not longer mercilessly control their followers.
Please show proof of this lust for power. People who want power have motives. Show me something tangible.
Why

York, UK

#6 Aug 27, 2012
Anti-Venom wrote:
jehovah's witnesses hold that one cannot understand the Bible without literature.
The jehovah's witnesses also believe the Bible belongs, not to individuals, but to their "organization".
Jesus explained the bible, the apostles explained the bible. False teachings in modern times necessitate explanation to show that they are not from the bible.

But the bible is also the measure so you can check all teachings claimed to be found in the bible by the bible.

I did this and that is why I am a Jehovah's witness and not a trinitarian.

The witnesses are the most biblically honest of all Christians even down to using God's name an identifying mark of Jehovah's people.

Ignore this at your own peril!

“the Word was God”

Since: Jul 11

Ashland, OH

#7 Aug 27, 2012
Duh-boy wrote:
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Please show proof of this lust for power. People who want power have motives. Show me something tangible.
The proof is the fact that they refuse to admit their claims about 1914 and 1918/1919 are false. If they did not have malicious intent then they would admit the truth that they have been lying about those prophecies and claims.
bystander no more

Elk Grove, CA

#8 Aug 27, 2012
Jehovah's Witnesses believe in the Bible and its author, Jehovah, and his son, Jesus.

We use the Watchtower to tie the themes of the Bible together, from Genesis to Revelation, to make them more understandable.

"Philip ran alongside and heard him reading aloud Isaiah the prophet, and he said:'Do you actually know what you are reading?' He said:'Really, how could I ever do so, unless someone guided me?'" (Acts 8:30, 31)
Why

York, UK

#9 Aug 27, 2012
bystander no more wrote:
Jehovah's Witnesses believe in the Bible and its author, Jehovah, and his son, Jesus.
We use the Watchtower to tie the themes of the Bible together, from Genesis to Revelation, to make them more understandable.
"Philip ran alongside and heard him reading aloud Isaiah the prophet, and he said:'Do you actually know what you are reading?' He said:'Really, how could I ever do so, unless someone guided me?'" (Acts 8:30, 31)
good scripture!

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#10 Aug 27, 2012
bystander no more wrote:
Jehovah's Witnesses believe in the Bible and its author, Jehovah, and his son, Jesus.
We use the Watchtower to tie the themes of the Bible together, from Genesis to Revelation, to make them more understandable.
"Philip ran alongside and heard him reading aloud Isaiah the prophet, and he said:'Do you actually know what you are reading?' He said:'Really, how could I ever do so, unless someone guided me?'" (Acts 8:30, 31)
It's interesting that you neglected to quote the rest of the story, Bystander. It is helpful when we read the full account, Acts 8:30-39,(Contemporary English Version):

"Philip ran up close and heard the man reading aloud from the book of Isaiah. Philip asked him,'Do you understand what you are reading?" The official answered,'How can I understand unless someone helps me?' He then invited Philip to come up and sit beside him. The man was reading the passage that said:'He was led like a sheep on its way to be killed. He was silent as a lamb whose wool is being cut off, and he did not say a word. He was treated like a nobody and did not receive a fair trial. How can he have children, if his life is snatched away?' The official said to Philip,'Tell me, was the prophet talking about himself or about someone else?' So Philip began at this place in the Scriptures and explained the good news about Jesus. As they were going along the road, they came to a place where there was some water. The official said,'Look! Here is some water. Why can't I be baptized?' He ordered the chariot to stop. Then they both went down into the water, and Philip baptized him. After they had come out of the water, the Lord's Spirit took Philip away. The official never saw him again, but he was very happy as he went on his way."

I'm not sure how you can honestly use Acts 8:30-31 to justify the Watchtower publishing empire. Philip didn't give the Ethiopian a stack of Watchtower magazines and books to read so that he could understand that Isaiah was speaking of the Christ. Moreover, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, doesn't the JW leadership require potential converts to study JW doctrine for six months and then require them to answer a catechism of 144 questions before a person can be baptized into the JW religion?

So according to JW rules Philip would have to give the Ethiopian six months of instruction in the JW religion, then require him to answer 144 doctrinal questions to see if he was paying attention to the instruction. If the Ethiopian answered all the questions correctly, he could be baptized at a JW convention. Of course Philip was led by Holy Spirit, not JW rules.
Why

Woodford Green, UK

#11 Aug 27, 2012
Admiral Kolchak wrote:
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It's interesting that you neglected to quote the rest of the story, Bystander. It is helpful when we read the full account, Acts 8:30-39,(Contemporary English Version):
"Philip ran up close and heard the man reading aloud from the book of Isaiah. Philip asked him,'Do you understand what you are reading?" The official answered,'How can I understand unless someone helps me?' He then invited Philip to come up and sit beside him. The man was reading the passage that said:'He was led like a sheep on its way to be killed. He was silent as a lamb whose wool is being cut off, and he did not say a word. He was treated like a nobody and did not receive a fair trial. How can he have children, if his life is snatched away?' The official said to Philip,'Tell me, was the prophet talking about himself or about someone else?' So Philip began at this place in the Scriptures and explained the good news about Jesus. As they were going along the road, they came to a place where there was some water. The official said,'Look! Here is some water. Why can't I be baptized?' He ordered the chariot to stop. Then they both went down into the water, and Philip baptized him. After they had come out of the water, the Lord's Spirit took Philip away. The official never saw him again, but he was very happy as he went on his way."
I'm not sure how you can honestly use Acts 8:30-31 to justify the Watchtower publishing empire. Philip didn't give the Ethiopian a stack of Watchtower magazines and books to read so that he could understand that Isaiah was speaking of the Christ. Moreover, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, doesn't the JW leadership require potential converts to study JW doctrine for six months and then require them to answer a catechism of 144 questions before a person can be baptized into the JW religion?
So according to JW rules Philip would have to give the Ethiopian six months of instruction in the JW religion, then require him to answer 144 doctrinal questions to see if he was paying attention to the instruction. If the Ethiopian answered all the questions correctly, he could be baptized at a JW convention. Of course Philip was led by Holy Spirit, not JW rules.
Semantics! The Ethiopian needed the bible explaining and Only got baptised after he heard and understood these explanations.

We do this now knowing it takes longer as most people barely even read the bible let alone follloe it's teachings.

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#12 Aug 27, 2012
Why wrote:
<quoted text> Semantics! The Ethiopian needed the bible explaining and Only got baptised after he heard and understood these explanations.
We do this now knowing it takes longer as most people barely even read the bible let alone follloe it's teachings.
Of course it will take longer for potential JW converts as the JW gospel is different from the Gospel of the Scriptures. Therefore, it stands to reason that it would take months, perhaps years of indoctrination before the convert would be ready for JW baptism.

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#13 Aug 27, 2012
To the surprise of many, scripture taught one can read the Scriptures and still be without salvation. To get life one must come to JESUS, according to the Lord himself:

You diligently study the Scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life. These are the Scriptures that testify about me, yet you refuse to come to me to have life (John 5:39,40).

The jehovah's witness cult doesn't allow their followers to come to Jesus for the purpose of getting life, since Satan taught them he is merely a part of creation.

They also deny that we should pray TO Jesus, by changing John 14:14. The cult has come out in their publications and boldly taught the same error:
Prayer is part of our worship and for this reason should be directed only to the Creator, Jehovah .... Jesus did not teach them to pray to himself ....(12)

In contrast to the cult's false teachings, the same eternal truth as found in John 14:14 is reiterated at John 4:10 and linked to salvation:

Jesus answered her, "If you knew the gift of God and who it is that asks you for a drink, you would have asked him and he would have given you living water" (John 4:10).

The reason Jehovah's Witnesses don't ask Jesus for living water, as Jesus taught, is because they don't know about (1) the gift of God or (2) that it is Scriptural to pray to the Lord Jesus, the one was speaking to the woman at Jacob's well. Unfortunately, the Jehovah's Witnesses have been taught by men to believe that Jesus is merely Michael the archangel and hence one should never go to him for living water.

The evil cult, the Watchtower Society has deceived multitudes into believing something about Jesus that isn't true and the NWT was written to prop up this great deception.


Forgiveness is Found ONLY in Jesus' Name

Who has the name in which forgiveness is found? According to first-century Christians the answer is simple:

He was not seen by all the people, but by witnesses whom God had already chosen – by us who ate and drank with him after he rose from the dead. He commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one whom God appointed as judge of the living and the dead. All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name (Acts 10:41-43).
Clearly, Jesus is the one who has the name in which forgiveness of sins can be found. We are told to believe in him. After Cornelius heard that eternal truth, he instantly became a Christian. What an important key truth that is for salvation, but that is not what the WS teaches! NOTE: Jehovah is NOT the name in which forgiveness is found, as you might be believing:

He told them, This is what is written: The Christ will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, and repentance and forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem (Luke 24:46,47).

Therefore, only through Jesus the forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you. Through him everyone who believes is justified from everything you could not be justified from by the law of Moses (Acts 13:38,39).
Why

York, UK

#14 Aug 28, 2012
Admiral Kolchak wrote:
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Of course it will take longer for potential JW converts as the JW gospel is different from the Gospel of the Scriptures. Therefore, it stands to reason that it would take months, perhaps years of indoctrination before the convert would be ready for JW baptism.
you raise a good point.... 1700 years of false teaching put on the bible but not found in it, means they have to be biblically revealed as the untruths they are before a person can be ready for baptism.
Why

UK

#15 Aug 28, 2012
Anti-Venom wrote:
To the surprise of many, scripture taught one can read the Scriptures and still be without salvation. To get life one must come to JESUS, according to the Lord himself:
You diligently study the Scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life. These are the Scriptures that testify about me, yet you refuse to come to me to have life (John 5:39,40).
The jehovah's witness cult doesn't allow their followers to come to Jesus for the purpose of getting life, since Satan taught them he is merely a part of creation.
They also deny that we should pray TO Jesus, by changing John 14:14. The cult has come out in their publications and boldly taught the same error:
Prayer is part of our worship and for this reason should be directed only to the Creator, Jehovah .... Jesus did not teach them to pray to himself ....(12)
In contrast to the cult's false teachings, the same eternal truth as found in John 14:14 is reiterated at John 4:10 and linked to salvation:
Jesus answered her, "If you knew the gift of God and who it is that asks you for a drink, you would have asked him and he would have given you living water" (John 4:10).
The reason Jehovah's Witnesses don't ask Jesus for living water, as Jesus taught, is because they don't know about (1) the gift of God or (2) that it is Scriptural to pray to the Lord Jesus, the one was speaking to the woman at Jacob's well. Unfortunately, the Jehovah's Witnesses have been taught by men to believe that Jesus is merely Michael the archangel and hence one should never go to him for living water.
The evil cult, the Watchtower Society has deceived multitudes into believing something about Jesus that isn't true and the NWT was written to prop up this great deception.
Forgiveness is Found ONLY in Jesus' Name
Who has the name in which forgiveness is found? According to first-century Christians the answer is simple:
He was not seen by all the people, but by witnesses whom God had already chosen – by us who ate and drank with him after he rose from the dead. He commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one whom God appointed as judge of the living and the dead. All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name (Acts 10:41-43).
Clearly, Jesus is the one who has the name in which forgiveness of sins can be found. We are told to believe in him. After Cornelius heard that eternal truth, he instantly became a Christian. What an important key truth that is for salvation, but that is not what the WS teaches! NOTE: Jehovah is NOT the name in which forgiveness is found, as you might be believing:
He told them, This is what is written: The Christ will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, and repentance and forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem (Luke 24:46,47).
Therefore, only through Jesus the forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you. Through him everyone who believes is justified from everything you could not be justified from by the law of Moses (Acts 13:38,39).
Jesus told us to pray to his Father Matt 6;9 among other scriptures. He always gave credit to his Father Jehovah.

You amplify Jesus but reject his Father Jehovah in the process. You embrace Jesus name but reject God's name. You say you follow Jesus but ignore his teachings!

Jesus loves his Father and honoured him above all when you and other's are crying "lord Lord!" and he rejects you, you will understand then the price of ignoring Jesus's teachings.

Since: Feb 11

Tucson, AZ

#16 Aug 28, 2012
Anti-Venom wrote:
jehovah's witnesses hold that one cannot understand the Bible without literature.
The jehovah's witnesses also believe the Bible belongs, not to individuals, but to their "organization".
I am assuming you believe you MUST die correct?

And rather than choose the hell fryer, you oh so wisely choose eternal bliss in heaven right?

A sort of no-brainer church set up scenario.

===

See any problem so far?

====

Well first off you have bought death as an absolute given prerequisite.

From that single misjudgment, which is unscriptural, as common as it is, all the rest of your "moves" are now colored by a "reality" that is not real.

So if you never had to die, I can tell you, you would not even kill yourself to go to heaven, because really you do not want to go to heaven, you feel you have to go, because it is the only choice besides a hell-fryer.

===

But in fact for most human beings, the alternative destination is planet earth.

===

Man's STATE (Adamic death), not man's STATION (planet earth), is what has changed.

Jesus Christ, the human, has formed a replacement for dead Adam NOT for billions to go to heaven, where Adam NEVER was created to live anyways, but for eternal life in paradise earth, the state AND station Adam lost.

ONLY the state has been changed, planet earth is the human destination. Nothing wrong with this planet in paradisiac glory and perfection.

===

You need to go back, I assume, to square one.

===

That is all in the bible, once you lay aside the church heaven congame and it's false teaching system to sell you that con.

Since: Feb 11

Tucson, AZ

#17 Aug 28, 2012
Admiral Kolchak wrote:
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Of course it will take longer for potential JW converts as the JW gospel is different from the Gospel of the Scriptures...
Which version of the "Gospel of the Scriptures" are you referring to in your 50,000 various church Babel inspired "gospels"?

Exactly which one? The you "go to heaven, no questions asked, worship demons at Christmas and Easter is OK" "gospel"?

That is good news to unrepentant sinners. But it is not truth.

That is the "Gospel of the Scriptures" you refer to is it not?

“the Word was God”

Since: Jul 11

Ashland, OH

#18 Aug 28, 2012
bystander no more wrote:
Jehovah's Witnesses believe in the Bible and its author, Jehovah, and his son, Jesus.
We use the Watchtower to tie the themes of the Bible together, from Genesis to Revelation, to make them more understandable.
You do realize that every single bit of this has already been proven untrue, don't you?

“the Word was God”

Since: Jul 11

Ashland, OH

#19 Aug 28, 2012
Why wrote:
<quoted text> good scripture!
Yes, it is a good scripture. You see, the Ethiopian eunuch was converted and baptized immediately. There was no extended period of months or years culminating in his being forced to recite the answers to a bunch of questions of men and dedicate his life to a corporation.

Yet another bible account which proves the Watchtower Society religion does not follow scripture.

“the Word was God”

Since: Jul 11

Ashland, OH

#20 Aug 28, 2012
Admiral Kolchak wrote:
<quoted text>
It's interesting that you neglected to quote the rest of the story, Bystander. It is helpful when we read the full account, Acts 8:30-39,(Contemporary English Version):
"Philip ran up close and heard the man reading aloud from the book of Isaiah. Philip asked him,'Do you understand what you are reading?" The official answered,'How can I understand unless someone helps me?' He then invited Philip to come up and sit beside him. The man was reading the passage that said:'He was led like a sheep on its way to be killed. He was silent as a lamb whose wool is being cut off, and he did not say a word. He was treated like a nobody and did not receive a fair trial. How can he have children, if his life is snatched away?' The official said to Philip,'Tell me, was the prophet talking about himself or about someone else?' So Philip began at this place in the Scriptures and explained the good news about Jesus. As they were going along the road, they came to a place where there was some water. The official said,'Look! Here is some water. Why can't I be baptized?' He ordered the chariot to stop. Then they both went down into the water, and Philip baptized him. After they had come out of the water, the Lord's Spirit took Philip away. The official never saw him again, but he was very happy as he went on his way."
I'm not sure how you can honestly use Acts 8:30-31 to justify the Watchtower publishing empire. Philip didn't give the Ethiopian a stack of Watchtower magazines and books to read so that he could understand that Isaiah was speaking of the Christ. Moreover, and you can correct me if I'm wrong, doesn't the JW leadership require potential converts to study JW doctrine for six months and then require them to answer a catechism of 144 questions before a person can be baptized into the JW religion?
So according to JW rules Philip would have to give the Ethiopian six months of instruction in the JW religion, then require him to answer 144 doctrinal questions to see if he was paying attention to the instruction. If the Ethiopian answered all the questions correctly, he could be baptized at a JW convention. Of course Philip was led by Holy Spirit, not JW rules.
I should've read your post before I responded....

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