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#41 Nov 18, 2012
UNchained wrote:
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That will never happen because satan controls the Watchtower Publishing Company and God let him have it.
Satan controls the whole world, and everything in it. They are just a part of it.

sidgi

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#42 Nov 18, 2012
sidgi wrote:
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the answer is in the pudding. Men, on their own, don't serve God. They've been alienated from being able to do so since Adam sinned. That means that whatever they come up with, apart from the bible's instruction, is from Satan's world. Sometimes I think that if God didn't provide breathing as an automatic thing, most men and women would even mess that up. Try applying this principle to the equation.......
15 That which is made crooked cannot be made straight, and that which is wanting cannot possibly be counted
Men are imperfect. Humility could keep them from going too far out of bounds, but in general they don't pursue it. No, not humility they pretend in front of other men, but the humility it takes to please God, who is invisible, and it takes faith to even believe exists.They pursue whatever they come up with themselves, instead.
23 I well know, O Jehovah, that to earthling man his way does not belong. It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step
If someone takes this to heart, they will eventually see clearly what God wants, as opposed to what men do.
sidgi
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. Somehow it appears that man was slated to fail to begin with..
Does it not seem strange that there was but one tree mentioned ..as to not to be eaten from.. And yet..after they ate from it..there was another tree that they were kept away from.. So where did this tree sprout from???

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#43 Nov 18, 2012
Kind of lets you know where Alice in Wonderland came from..

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#44 Nov 18, 2012
Maravilla wrote:
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. Somehow it appears that man was slated to fail to begin with..
Does it not seem strange that there was but one tree mentioned ..as to not to be eaten from.. And yet..after they ate from it..there was another tree that they were kept away from.. So where did this tree sprout from???
It is obvious that you've not spent any of your time in trying to understand who or what God is. Most fit into that category. They imagine, for some reason that God is something like them. Here is what the bible says about that.

See! This only I have found, that the [true] God made mankind upright, but they themselves have sought out many plans.”

It has been a godless world since it began. Not since creation began, but since men decided to go their own way. If someone really wants to know God, they can't find do so by listening to other men. They have to search for Him their self........

. If you search for him, he will let himself be found by you; but if you leave him, he will cast you off forever

I don't mean men can't assist one another in their search, just that your relationship is just that, YOUR relationship. If you don't build it, it won't be there.

sidgi

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#45 Nov 18, 2012
sidgi wrote:
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It is obvious that you've not spent any of your time in trying to understand who or what God is. Most fit into that category. They imagine, for some reason that God is something like them. Here is what the bible says about that.
See! This only I have found, that the [true] God made mankind upright, but they themselves have sought out many plans.”
It has been a godless world since it began. Not since creation began, but since men decided to go their own way. If someone really wants to know God, they can't find do so by listening to other men. They have to search for Him their self........
. If you search for him, he will let himself be found by you; but if you leave him, he will cast you off forever
I don't mean men can't assist one another in their search, just that your relationship is just that, YOUR relationship. If you don't build it, it won't be there.
sidgi
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I agree that one needs to personally search for him.. Yet!.. that kind of throws out the scriptures that speak of man being made in God's image.. Don't you think.. IF..we have his attributes and yet are expected not to use them???

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#46 Nov 18, 2012
Maravilla wrote:
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I agree that one needs to personally search for him.. Yet!.. that kind of throws out the scriptures that speak of man being made in God's image.. Don't you think.. IF..we have his attributes and yet are expected not to use them???
I was waiting for someone to pick up on that point. What, about that fact, changes anything I've said, or the impact it has on this discussion? If Adam had not sinned, we wouldn't be having this conversation. The verse in Ecclesiastes explains the reality of that.

See! This only I have found, that the [true] God made mankind upright, but they themselves have sought out many plans.”

Men were created in God's image, but they threw that image away in imperfection. Adam and Eve were the only ones who knew what that meant in practice. None of their descendants have.

22 All things have been delivered to me by my Father, and who the Son is no one knows but the Father; and who the Father is, no one [knows] but the Son, and he to whom the Son is willing to reveal him.”

If men's being created in God's image meant anything in that regard, that statement in Luke wouldn't have been applicable, because all men would have been able to know God. Yes men are capable of understanding, but not on their own, and not without the proper motive.

sidgi
Gotyou

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#47 Nov 18, 2012
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and your point is?
sidgi
Sidgi, if a JW says that he or she has to travel to another part of the country, let us Los Angeles, for Christmas. What does that mean? For what purpose does he or she had to travel to Los Angeles? Is it not FOR THE PURPOSE OF CHRISTMAS? These Watchtower's Witnesses, like Sidgi, are something else, wow!!!!!!!

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#48 Nov 19, 2012
Gotyou wrote:
<quoted text>Sidgi, if a JW says that he or she has to travel to another part of the country, let us Los Angeles, for Christmas. What does that mean? For what purpose does he or she had to travel to Los Angeles? Is it not FOR THE PURPOSE OF CHRISTMAS? These Watchtower's Witnesses, like Sidgi, are something else, wow!!!!!!!
First off, it is a hypothetical situation that you bring up. Secondly, if it was related to anyone in reality, it is called anecdotal. Thirdly, did you determine the time the individual or family, had been associated with the Witness organization?(as in if they were a newbie) If you did a scientific study of all of Jehovah's Witnesses, and found that a certain percentage of Jehovah's Witnesses traveled to other cities for the purpose of Christmas, in their vernacular, your study would also have to determine the reason for the Christmas travel. For example.....

1. Being sent their for business related purposes by their employer.
2. Was their employer's business closed down for that time period, so that the Witness took advantage of the vacation period to visit family in Los Angeles?
3. Did said Witness live in San Diego and have a legitimate reason, other than holiday celebrating purposes since you seem concerned with the hypocrisy that might entail, and the actual trip by car might only be an hour or two, depending on where in the San Diego area the person lived, and where in the Los Angeles are they were traveling to.
4. Have you looked in the mirror lately, and evaluated yourself morally, and cleared yourself of all sin and error, in order to properly judge the motives of all others, in regards to their own individual motives, for doing whatever they might all individually do at Christmas time, or is this just an exorcise in trouble making, to ease your own conscience of it's continually accusing you for your own shortcomings?

sidgi
Gotyou

Houston, TX

#49 Nov 19, 2012
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First off, it is a hypothetical situation that you bring up. Secondly, if it was related to anyone in reality, it is called anecdotal. Thirdly, did you determine the time the individual or family, had been associated with the Witness organization?(as in if they were a newbie) If you did a scientific study of all of Jehovah's Witnesses, and found that a certain percentage of Jehovah's Witnesses traveled to other cities for the purpose of Christmas, in their vernacular, your study would also have to determine the reason for the Christmas travel. For example.....
1. Being sent their for business related purposes by their employer.
2. Was their employer's business closed down for that time period, so that the Witness took advantage of the vacation period to visit family in Los Angeles?
3. Did said Witness live in San Diego and have a legitimate reason, other than holiday celebrating purposes since you seem concerned with the hypocrisy that might entail, and the actual trip by car might only be an hour or two, depending on where in the San Diego area the person lived, and where in the Los Angeles are they were traveling to.
4. Have you looked in the mirror lately, and evaluated yourself morally, and cleared yourself of all sin and error, in order to properly judge the motives of all others, in regards to their own individual motives, for doing whatever they might all individually do at Christmas time, or is this just an exorcise in trouble making, to ease your own conscience of it's continually accusing you for your own shortcomings?
sidgi
are you saying that I am the one judging the motives of others for doing what they want to do. Am I who writes an article at Christmas to condenm that celebration. The Bible says that Jesus went to that place for (meaning: for the purpose) of that holiday. They you are saying, as if you were there, that Jesus could not participated in that celebration. You notice that Jesus did not write stupid articles , unlike the dumb WTS, to condemn that celebration. No matter how long your narrative is, your dumb WTS is more judgemental than Satan himself.

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#50 Nov 20, 2012
Gotyou wrote:
<quoted text>are you saying that I am the one judging the motives of others for doing what they want to do. Am I who writes an article at Christmas to condenm that celebration. The Bible says that Jesus went to that place for (meaning: for the purpose) of that holiday. They you are saying, as if you were there, that Jesus could not participated in that celebration. You notice that Jesus did not write stupid articles , unlike the dumb WTS, to condemn that celebration. No matter how long your narrative is, your dumb WTS is more judgemental than Satan himself.
What I am saying is that you couldn't possibly know the motives of a whole organization based on the statements of one individual. Also I am saying that you are just trying to create a controversy on a platform that is ripe for it, in order to create joy for yourself. If you check, 45% agree with the Witness position on Christmas........ http://www.cnbc.com/id/49880517 :-)))
Pat

Rockford, IL

#51 Nov 20, 2012
The Real Karen wrote:
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They don't believe they are still his chosen people though. They believe that they are now the spiritual Jews.
They are very wrong .Replacement theology is a lie.

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#52 Nov 20, 2012
Pat wrote:
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They are very wrong .Replacement theology is a lie.
Yes, and one day they are going to see that. Jehovah is not a God of lies and to have told them they were his chosen people and then take it back would be a lie. Many God chose in the bible did bad things, but he still used them in a mighty way.
Pat

Rockford, IL

#53 Nov 20, 2012
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Yes, and one day they are going to see that. Jehovah is not a God of lies and to have told them they were his chosen people and then take it back would be a lie. Many God chose in the bible did bad things, but he still used them in a mighty way.
As for Israel
"God has given them a spirit of stupor
I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not! But through their fall, to provoke them to jealousy, salvation has come to the Gentiles.{12} Now if their fall is riches for the world, and their failure riches for the Gentiles, how much more their fullness!{13} For I speak to you Gentiles; inasmuch as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry,{14} if by any means I may provoke to jealousy those who are my flesh and save some of them.{15} For if their being cast away is the reconciling of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead?
For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.{26} And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The Deliverer will come out of Zion, And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob; {27} For this is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins." {28} Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers.{29} For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.{30} For as you were once disobedient to God, yet have now obtained mercy through their disobedience,{31} even so these also have now been disobedient, that through the mercy shown you they also may obtain mercy.{32} For God has committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all.

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#54 Nov 20, 2012
Pat wrote:
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As for Israel
"God has given them a spirit of stupor
I say then, have they stumbled that they should fall? Certainly not! But through their fall, to provoke them to jealousy, salvation has come to the Gentiles.{12} Now if their fall is riches for the world, and their failure riches for the Gentiles, how much more their fullness!{13} For I speak to you Gentiles; inasmuch as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry,{14} if by any means I may provoke to jealousy those who are my flesh and save some of them.{15} For if their being cast away is the reconciling of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead?
For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.{26} And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The Deliverer will come out of Zion, And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob; {27} For this is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins." {28} Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers.{29} For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.{30} For as you were once disobedient to God, yet have now obtained mercy through their disobedience,{31} even so these also have now been disobedient, that through the mercy shown you they also may obtain mercy.{32} For God has committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all.
Great scriptures Pat, thank you.
Pat

Rockford, IL

#55 Nov 20, 2012
The Real Karen wrote:
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Great scriptures Pat, thank you.
no problem .

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