“the truth will set you free...”

Since: Nov 10

League City, TX

#2 Jun 18, 2011
Seventh-day Adventists

The Seventh-day Adventist Church is a Christian denomination which is distinguished by its observance of Saturday the original seventh day of the Judeo-Christian week, as the Sabbath, and by its emphasis is on the imminent second coming of Jesus Christ. Among its founders was William Miller and Ellen G. White, whose extensive writings are still held in high regard by the church today. Much of the theology of the Seventh-day Adventist Church corresponds to Protestant Christian teachings such as the Trinity and the infallibility of Scripture. The denomination grew out of the Millerite movement in the United States during the middle part of the 19th century and was formally established in 1863. The Millerites were the followers of the teachings of William Miller who, in 1833 first shared publicly his belief in the coming Second Advent of Jesus Christ.

William Miller claimed a prophetic dream from God bestowed him with the power of prophecy in the same manner recorded in Daniel 2:29-45 where the Babylonian King Nebuchadnezzar received a dream vision from God as interpreted by Daniel. Daniel himself had a dream from God in which he beheld four huge beasts coming up out of the sea, these creatures representing human governments.(Da 7:1, 3, 17)

http://www.temcat.com/L-2-Prophecy-Library/JP...

The interpretation of William Miller's dream as quoted in the early writings of Ellen G. White:

Page: 229:“God sent His angel to move upon the heart of a farmer who had not believed the Bible, to lead him to search the prophecies. Angels of God repeatedly visited that chosen one, to guide his mind and open to his understanding prophecies which had ever been dark to God’s people. The commencement of the chain of truth was given to him, and he was led on to search for link after link, until he looked with wonder and admiration upon the Word of God. He saw there a perfect chain of truth. That Word which he had regarded as uninspired now opened before his vision in its beauty and glory.... He regarded the sacred Word of God with joy and with the deepest respect and awe.

“As he followed down the prophecies, he saw that the inhabitants of the earth were living in the closing scenes of this world’s history, yet they knew it not. He looked at the churches and saw that they were corrupt; they had taken their affections from Jesus and placed them on the world; they were seeking for worldly honor, instead of that honor which cometh from above; grasping for worldly riches, instead of laying up their treasure in heaven. He could see hypocrisy, darkness, and death everywhere. His spirit was stirred within him. God called him to leave his farm, as He called Elisha to leave his oxen and the field of his labor to follow Elijah. With trembling, William Miller began to unfold to the people the mysteries of the kingdom of God, carrying his hearers down through the prophecies to the second advent of Christ.”

In September 1822, Miller formally stated his conclusions in a twenty-point document; “I believe that the second coming of Jesus Christ is near, even at the door, even within twenty-one years,—on or before 1843.” This was reaffirmed in the Jewish year 1843, stating:“My principles in brief, are, that Jesus Christ will come again to this earth, cleanse, purify, and take possession of the same, with all the saints, sometime between March 21, 1843 and March 21, 1844.”

“the truth will set you free...”

Since: Nov 10

League City, TX

#3 Jun 18, 2011
On October 22, 1844, that day of great hope and promise, ended like any other day to the disappointment of the Millerites. Both Millerite leaders and followers were left generally bewildered and disillusioned.

The Seventh-day Adventist, Ellen G White that followed the work of William Miller likewise claimed to have visions and prophetic dreams as recorded in “A Word to the Little Flock” distributed in 1847, in which her first vision in 1844 was described. Ellen continued to have alleged visions and divinely inspired dreams from then on until her death in 1915. The frequency of these was much greater in the early years, however. According to her grandson Arthur White, she had visions until 1884, and mostly "prophetic dreams" at night from then on. Arthur has estimated that she had approximately 2000 visions over her lifetime.

The principle teaching channel of Jehovah's Witnesses from the inception of organization's history up to now has never claimed infallibility or divine inspiration. They have also left the results of candid Bible research open to the possibility of unfulfillment.

Indeed, as respects the date 1914, which we have emphasized, and respecting which we have repeatedly expressed our faith, our conviction--even respecting this date we have never knowingly spoken in infallible terms. June 1, 1913 Watchtower

We are waiting for the time to come when the government of the world will be turned over to the Messiah. We cannot say that it may not be either October 1914, or October 1915. It is possible that we might be out of the correct reckoning on the subject a number of years. We cannot say with certainty. October 15, 1913 Watchtower

The faithful and discreet slave identified in Matthew 24:45-47 doesn't claim a special relationship with God that is inaccessible to any and all members or claim its means of teaching is limited to a select few.

w09 10/1 p. 8 The Holy Spirit—A Force You Need in Your Life

Like Isabel and Roberto, millions of Jehovah’s Witnesses have experienced the power of the holy spirit in their lives. Jehovah’s active force—the force behind the creation of the universe—can be made available to you if you wish. God is willing and eager to share his spirit with you if you earnestly request it. But to receive that spirit, you need to learn the truth about him and sincerely seek to do his will.—Isaiah 55:6; Hebrews 11:6.

Under the empowering force of holy spirit, you may receive the strength to serve God successfully and to face whatever challenges may arise in your life. This is what the Bible assures us:“[Jehovah] is giving to the tired one power; and to the one without dynamic energy he makes full might abound.... Those who are hoping in Jehovah will regain power. They will mount up with wings like eagles. They will run and not grow weary; they will walk and not tire out.”
little lamb

Australia

#4 Jun 18, 2011
In john when some of Jesus disciples would no longer walk with him..He asked Peter was he going to go to?

peter asked " where can we go to Lord..you have the sayings of everlasting life"

In the knowledge that its Jesus who has the sayings of everlasting life..then we know where to go and listen to him..Because the gospels hold the witness account of those who actually talked and walked with him..And he tells us that he sends us the comfortor that lives within us forever..because we are his temple..So its very true the Kingdom is within you, if Christ dwells through FAITH in our hearts.

God will do the gathering .

“Bustin' Myths”

Since: Dec 09

Location hidden

#5 Jun 18, 2011
Dream-weaver wrote:
Jehovah's Witnesses don't claim to be visited from celestial beings including members of the Governing Body from the inception of Jehovah's Organization.
Rutherford said he was. That's how he wrote. Look it up.

“Bustin' Myths”

Since: Dec 09

Location hidden

#6 Jun 18, 2011
Ah, you won't look it up so here it is. Not that you'll believe it either but it will be fun to watch you sing and dance your way around it.

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These angels are invisible to human eyes and are there to carry out the orders of the Lord. No doubt they first hear the instruction which the Lord issues to his remnant and then these invisible messengers pass such instruction on to the remnant. The facts show that the angels of the Lord with him at his temple have been thus rendering service unto the remnant since 1919. Vindication, Rutherford, 1932, Vol. 3, p. 250.

"Certain duties and kingdom interests have been committed by the Lord to his angels, which include the transmission of information to God's anointed people on the earth for their aid and comfort. Even though we cannot understand how the angels transmit this information, we know that they do it; and the Scriptures and the facts show that it is done." Preparation, Rutherford, 1933, p. 36, 37.

"The remnant do not hear audible sounds, because such is not necessary. Jehovah has provided his own good way to convey thought to the minds of his anointed ones. To all on the outside of the organization of Jehovah his is a secret organization." ibid., p. 64

“the truth will set you free...”

Since: Nov 10

League City, TX

#7 Jun 18, 2011
Mythbusters wrote:
<quoted text>
Rutherford said he was. That's how he wrote. Look it up.
http://www.jwfiles.com/wt_teachings/rutherfor...

Rutherford may have made some mention of angels playing some role in directing Kingdom affairs, but Joseph Smith claims the angel named Moroni took physical form and delivered to him the Book of Mormon in "reformed Egyptian" engraved on golden plates. William Miller claimed an angel visited him in his dreams.

“Bustin' Myths”

Since: Dec 09

Location hidden

#8 Jun 18, 2011
No, no. You can't do that. You can't claim JWs never did something in their entire history and then when shown proof switch over to talking about Mormons. Nope. Sorry.
little lamb

Australia

#9 Jun 18, 2011
Jesus said " everyone that has come in place of him is a thief and plunderer.

That includes Joseph Smith and rutherford and miller

At best paul said they were ministers through whom we became believers in Christ..when they went from promoting Christ to promoting themselves..they began to sin and misdirect people from jesus who has the 'sayings' of everlasting life

To promoting the 'organization' as falsely having the sayings of everlasting life

While they then managed to systematically rob Christians of the 'crown' of life.

New Student

“Jesus's Father is NOT Jehovah”

Since: Apr 08

Beamsville, Canada

#10 Jun 18, 2011
Without Ellen G. White's demonic trance, Jehovah's Witnesses would not believe that Jesus is Michael.

The cult of Jehovah's Witnesses owes so much to Miller & White!

“the truth will set you free...”

Since: Nov 10

League City, TX

#11 Jun 18, 2011
Mythbusters wrote:
No, no. You can't do that. You can't claim JWs never did something in their entire history and then when shown proof switch over to talking about Mormons. Nope. Sorry.
Jehovah's Witnesses still acknowledge that God's angelic sons play a part in directing the Kingdom preaching work. There's a realistic division in the part angels play in human affairs in contrast with what has been claimed by religions of Christendom. Joseph Rutherford clearly stated; “Even though we cannot understand how the angels transmit this information, we know that they do it; and the Scriptures and the facts show that it is done."

bt chap. 7 pp. 58-59 par. 16 Declaring “the Good News About Jesus”

Christians today are privileged to share in work like that done by Philip. Often, they are able to present the Kingdom message to those they meet in informal settings, such as when traveling. In many cases, it is apparent that their meeting up with an honesthearted individual is no coincidence. This is to be expected, for the Bible makes clear that the angels are directing the preaching work so that the message reaches “every nation and tribe and tongue and people.”(Rev. 14:6) Angelic direction in the preaching work is precisely what Jesus foretold. In his illustration about the wheat and weeds, Jesus said that during the harvesttime—the conclusion of the system of things—“the reapers are angels.” He added that these spirit creatures would “collect out from his kingdom all things that cause stumbling and persons who are doing lawlessness.”(Matt. 13:37-41) At the same time, the angels would gather prospective heavenly heirs of the Kingdom—and later “a great crowd” of “other sheep”—whom Jehovah wants to draw to his organization.—Rev. 7:9; John 6:44, 65; 10:16.

“Bustin' Myths”

Since: Dec 09

Location hidden

#12 Jun 18, 2011
Dream-weaver wrote:
<quoted text>
Jehovah's Witnesses still acknowledge that God's angelic sons play a part in directing the Kingdom preaching work. There's a realistic division in the part angels play in human affairs in contrast with what has been claimed by religions of Christendom. Joseph Rutherford clearly stated; “Even though we cannot understand how the angels transmit this information, we know that they do it; and the Scriptures and the facts show that it is done."
bt chap. 7 pp. 58-59 par. 16 Declaring “the Good News About Jesus”
Christians today are privileged to share in work like that done by Philip. Often, they are able to present the Kingdom message to those they meet in informal settings, such as when traveling. In many cases, it is apparent that their meeting up with an honesthearted individual is no coincidence. This is to be expected, for the Bible makes clear that the angels are directing the preaching work so that the message reaches “every nation and tribe and tongue and people.”(Rev. 14:6) Angelic direction in the preaching work is precisely what Jesus foretold. In his illustration about the wheat and weeds, Jesus said that during the harvesttime—the conclusion of the system of things—“the reapers are angels.” He added that these spirit creatures would “collect out from his kingdom all things that cause stumbling and persons who are doing lawlessness.”(Matt. 13:37-41) At the same time, the angels would gather prospective heavenly heirs of the Kingdom—and later “a great crowd” of “other sheep”—whom Jehovah wants to draw to his organization.—Rev. 7:9; John 6:44, 65; 10:16.
How is that possible that this comes from angels when it so wrong so much of the time? I don't understand. Is it like the telephone game?

“Mystical Atheism for everyone!”

Since: Nov 08

El Cerrito California

#13 Jun 19, 2011
Dream-weaver said "Jehovah's Witnesses don't claim to be visited from celestial beings including members of the Governing Body from the inception of Jehovah's Organization."

This is not true. There is ample evidence, court documents, books on record,... etc.,, to show how very wrong you are.

The claims of your leaders could be made into a blockbuster comedy on religious wackiness if it was not for the amount of suffering caused by the insanity of the teachings to the many families that have been wrongly divided by your hateful policies!

For example your primitive god "jehovah" was derived from the pages of an occult novel that was allegedly channelled from a repentant demon:

http://www.seanet.com/~raines/jehovah.html

And there is also the matter of your denial of the OMNIPRESENT GOD of Israel is on your website even though it is no longer possible to claim your god of conditional love is real based on the confirmation of Bell's theorem which confirms what the historical Jesus said concerning our relationship with the OMNIPRESENT GOD who has been removed from your New World translation to protect your governing body from the truth that contradicts their message of hate and fragmentation of humanity.

We all need to get informed as to the danger that is presented by the Roman hoax and those who have based their religions on it and pitch in and restore the true Christianity of the historical Jesus to humanity.

GOD is LOVE. WE are ALL ONE WITH GOD, even the unloving!
Beowulf

Pueblo, CO

#14 Jun 19, 2011
Dream-weaver wrote:
This article presents information on several religions remarkably similar to Jehovah's Witnesses;
Mormons
Seventh-day Adventists
Christadelphians
Worldwide Church of God
Bible Students
"The Bible Students movement founded by Charles Taze Russell had in its early development close connections with the Millerite movement and stalwarts of the Adventist faith, including George Storrs and Joseph Seiss. The various groupings of Bible Students currently have a cumulative membership of less than 20,000 worldwide. Although the Jehovah's Witnesses (who emerged in 1931 following a schism in the Bible Students movement that began in 1917) and remaining Bible Students are not generally regarded as part of the Millerite Adventist movement, Russell attended and eventually led an Adventist oriented Bible study church from 1870–74. Avowing his indebtedness to Adventism, he "was deeply influenced by Adventist thought."[7] As of December 2008 there were approximately 7 million Jehovah's Witnesses worldwide."

Your spiritual heritage can be traced back as far as William Miller. I think you should recognize a few name along the way of who influenced your teachings. Also, the date setting patterns.

Since: Aug 07

Location hidden

#15 Jun 19, 2011
Times of Awakening in the Late 19th Century

Another period of spiritual awakening happened close to the end of the Nineteenth Century. At that time, once again, the availability of new Bible translations caused people to examine the things they were being taught in their churches. Also, people started to recognize from Bible prophecies that world events seemed to indicate that the time Jesus foretold at Matthew 24 may have been close. So, Bible reading and research peaked as people once again started searching for the truth.
The several different religions that started to form then were referred to as 'Adventists,' although most didn't adopt Adventist as part of their name. They were called this, because they were looking for the advent (or coming) of Jesus. These Adventist groups were unique in that they rejected the doctrines and creeds of established religions and once again started searching the Bible to find truth. And some did find more truth. How? Not by accepting the views of 'authorities,' but by sitting down together and discussing all the scriptures on a subject, then trying to find the harmonious truth that proves all the Scriptures to be true.
Notice that Adventists aren't true Protestants, because they weren't protesting the teachings of the Catholic Church, as were the earlier religions that formed, they were just looking for something new and better.
dee lightful

Easley, SC

#16 Jun 19, 2011
Dream-weaver wrote:
<quoted text>
Jehovah's Witnesses still acknowledge that God's angelic sons play a part in directing the Kingdom preaching work. There's a realistic division in the part angels play in human affairs in contrast with what has been claimed by religions of Christendom. Joseph Rutherford clearly stated; “Even though we cannot understand how the angels transmit this information, we know that they do it; and the Scriptures and the facts show that it is done."
bt chap. 7 pp. 58-59 par. 16 Declaring “the Good News About Jesus”
Christians today are privileged to share in work like that done by Philip. Often, they are able to present the Kingdom message to those they meet in informal settings, such as when traveling. In many cases, it is apparent that their meeting up with an honesthearted individual is no coincidence. This is to be expected, for the Bible makes clear that the angels are directing the preaching work so that the message reaches “every nation and tribe and tongue and people.”(Rev. 14:6) Angelic direction in the preaching work is precisely what Jesus foretold. In his illustration about the wheat and weeds, Jesus said that during the harvesttime—the conclusion of the system of things—“the reapers are angels.” He added that these spirit creatures would “collect out from his kingdom all things that cause stumbling and persons who are doing lawlessness.”(Matt. 13:37-41) At the same time, the angels would gather prospective heavenly heirs of the Kingdom—and later “a great crowd” of “other sheep”—whom Jehovah wants to draw to his organization.—Rev. 7:9; John 6:44, 65; 10:16.
After Charles Russell the first president of WTS died in 1916 the following was said about him keeping contact with the WTS:

This verse (Revelation 8:3) shows that, though Pastor Russell has passed beyond the veil, he is still managing every feature of the harvest work…We hold that he supervises, by the Lord’s arrangement, the work yet to be done.
The Finished Mystery 1917 pp. 144, 256

Hence our dear Pastor, now in glory, is without doubt, manifesting a keen interest in the harvest work, and is permitted by the Lord to exercise some strong influence thereupon.
Watch Tower 1917, November 1 p. 6161 [ WTS’s reprints]

Has Russell been resurrected before Armageddon? Is Russell one of those angels you mentioned play a part in what JW's believe or is it made up to bolster WT faulty doctrine ... convincing the emperor that he indeed has new clothes and few JW's can see the truth of his nudity.?

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