I'm having doubts that the Jws are th...
Wendy in Illinois

Warrenville, IL

#22 Mar 25, 2013
yogosans14 wrote:
<quoted text>
Greetings.
Thank you for your concern but Jesus gave us the model pray to pray to the father (Yahweh/Jehovah/LORD)
I do not accept the Trinity yet so I cannot pray directly to Jesus.
Thanks and God bless
~Yogo
Hi Yogosans14

Please read 1st Corinthians 1:2

In the New King James it says:

To the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called [to be] saints, with all who in every place call on the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

Acts 7:59 and 7:60 in the English Standard Version says:

And as they were stoning Stephen, he called out, "Lord Jesus, receive my spirit."
And falling to his knees he cried out with a loud voice, "Lord, do not hold this sin against them." And when he had said this, he fell asleep.

Acts 9:5

And he said, "Who are you, Lord?" And he said, "I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting.

9:14 and 9:15

And here he has authority from the chief priests to bind all who call on your name."
9:15 But the Lord said to him, "Go, for he is a chosen instrument of mine to carry my name before the Gentiles and kings and the children of Israel.

As you can see from the scriptures above, the early Christians were calling on the name of Jesus. Don't let the JWs fool you and lie to you. Let the bible guide you instead.

I would also suggest that you read Romans chapter 10, the whole chapter and see who it is really talking about, who we are to call on as our Lord for Salvation. Pray first and then read, the whole of Romans chapter 10 and you will see how God opens eyes.

God bless!!!
Wendy in Illinois

Warrenville, IL

#23 Mar 25, 2013
Yogosans14,

One thing I did not emphasize enough, if you really want the truth, just pray to God to show you the truth, no matter what it is. He is faithful, if you sincerely ask him to reveal his truth to you in the scriptures, he will do it. Seek him and you will find him. That is what changed my life, the day I told God I would not trust anything but the bible and I asked him to show me the truth no matter what it was. That was the day he opened my eyes to Jesus.
Tao itness

United States

#24 Mar 25, 2013
I can understand youre aversion to the trinity.In its original creed it runs contraty to alot of scriptures. But the WT has.went to the other extreme and dont give Him the worship He deserves.In Hebrews 1 you can see thar Yahweh gave Him Godship. JWs will admit He is a God,then they give the same honor to the.gov erning body ! This is what cults do,they put themselves on par with God and scare you into obeying them. No religion will be 100% right until.Christs authentic return when He will set all matters straight and He will gather His sheep out of all religions. What is ironic ,if they are who they say they are,then they fit the profile of the stupid orophets in Ezekiel 13 that speak in the name of Jehovah and not a word comes true. Wheather JWs admit it or not,its a fact!
Tao itness

United States

#25 Mar 25, 2013
Read and meditate on Gods word and pray for His Spirit and what youre Father wants to show you will become obvious. We will be praying for you,sweetie.
Booker

United States

#26 Mar 25, 2013
I would really appreciate the absolute truth . PLEASE ! IS JEHOVAH'S WITNESS A TYPE OF CULT ?? PLEEZE I MUST KNOW! I Love my little grandbaby so very much tho I've never seen her . I do have a few pictures . My son & his ex wife married young . He was Soo in love but she did not feel the same after a while . Her Family lived in Montana & my son packed everything up & they all three went to Mt when my grandaughter was only two I think . When they got there he said after only a week or so things were changing and for the worst . She said she was staying with her Family and her Mother offered him money to stay away from his child ( My Grandchild)!! She is the spitting image of her Daddy ( my child ). I MUST KNOW the Truth ABOUT jEHOVAH'S WITNESS . fOR THE LOVE OF MY GRANBABY , MY SON & ME . THANK YOU. MY SON IS GOOD MAN & ADORES HIS CHILD !
Again , thanks.
Jon

Milwaukee, WI

#27 Mar 26, 2013
yogosans14 wrote:
So I have been studying with my JW grandma for about 3 years and I have believe pretty much all of it because I have never been exposed to other religious teachings. She always tells me how the NWT is the most accurate bible ever and the other translations have removed Gods holy name and mistranslate purposely to support the Trinity doctrine.
She always tells me how Christendom is blood guility and would be destoryed at Aramgeddon, they use some scriptures in revelation to prove that if you refuse to leave the other churches you will be destroyed at Armageddon, which to me is just a fearful as the Hellfire doctrine. I have been snooping around the internet looking at NWT possible errors and beginning to realize that maybe this isnt a bias free translation, mabye there is scriptures translated to fit the JW anti-trinitarian theology. But I just shrugg it off and think what the WT tells us, that those websites are Satan himself trying to decieve JWs. I looked up John 20:28 where Thomas calls Jesus his Lord and His God, it even says it like that in the NWT!I was amazed and asked some JWs online and they said that he said it as an expression like we say Oh MY GOD!but it didnt make ANY sense to me. Also the word structure in John 1:1 has me to believe that "a god" doesnt sound right with the overall context of the passage. I'm really starting to have doubts if they are the true relgion and I find the shunning practice to be horrible!I dont think Jesus would shun someone and never look at them just because they made some mistakes. I have been looking "Apostate" websites and I tell myself this is all lies, but in the back of my head I'm thinking what if some of this stuff is right, what if the NWT isnt an accurate translation, what if the JWs has predicted false prophecies. All these questions, I know if I did choose to not become a JW and join another relgion (Methodist) I would most likely be shunned by her and some of my other family members.
I'm only 16 help!I've even been having thoughts of attending this big methodist church thats really close to me!I have been in it before when I was little and would like to go in it again to see if I like what they teach. I'm just confused because my grandma always makes me feel guilty or I'm not "progressing spiritually" fast enough and its really bugging me. Now shes talking about me becoming an unbaptized published but she never asked me what I wanted to do...My parents are both non relgious btw, my dad was an unbaptized JW but he left and moved out.
Forums and chat rooms are bad places to have these kind of discussions. You will only get one sided opinions here.
Jehovah's Witnesses socialize to people face to face because they can protect themselves from apostates and imitators by being able to vouch who they are talking to as being a Jehovah's Witness.
Most supposed Jehovah's Witness chat rooms and forums even though they claim to be genuine and claim they can "prove" they are the real article are NOT and no true Jehovah's Witness of sound mind would be in there chatting to people they cannot see and guarantee who it is they are talking to.
(Matthew 10:16) "prove yourselves cautious as serpents and yet innocent as doves."
Jehovah's Witnesses have plenty of oportunities to meet such as kingdom hall meetings, assemblies, conventions and ministry meetings and schools as well as through family and friends and social activities provided by Jehovah's Witnesses. These ways are safe for Jehovah's Witnesses and approved.
If you look for your answers here you will only get 1 sided answers and not the truth. I would recommend speaking to someone at your JW hall and at the Methodist Church you are interested in to find the answers you seek to make your decisions.
unsurejwdude12

Manchester, UK

#28 Mar 26, 2013
yogosans14 wrote:
So I have been studying with my JW grandma for about 3 years and I have believe pretty much all of it because I have never been exposed to other religious teachings. She always tells me how the NWT is the most accurate bible ever and the other translations have removed Gods holy name and mistranslate purposely to support the Trinity doctrine.
She always tells me how Christendom is blood guility and would be destoryed at Aramgeddon, they use some scriptures in revelation to prove that if you refuse to leave the other churches you will be destroyed at Armageddon, which to me is just a fearful as the Hellfire doctrine. I have been snooping around the internet looking at NWT possible errors and beginning to realize that maybe this isnt a bias free translation, mabye there is scriptures translated to fit the JW anti-trinitarian theology. But I just shrugg it off and think what the WT tells us, that those websites are Satan himself trying to decieve JWs. I looked up John 20:28 where Thomas calls Jesus his Lord and His God, it even says it like that in the NWT!I was amazed and asked some JWs online and they said that he said it as an expression like we say Oh MY GOD!but it didnt make ANY sense to me. Also the word structure in John 1:1 has me to believe that "a god" doesnt sound right with the overall context of the passage. I'm really starting to have doubts if they are the true relgion and I find the shunning practice to be horrible!I dont think Jesus would shun someone and never look at them just because they made some mistakes. I have been looking "Apostate" websites and I tell myself this is all lies, but in the back of my head I'm thinking what if some of this stuff is right, what if the NWT isnt an accurate translation, what if the JWs has predicted false prophecies. All these questions, I know if I did choose to not become a JW and join another relgion (Methodist) I would most likely be shunned by her and some of my other family members.
I'm only 16 help!I've even been having thoughts of attending this big methodist church thats really close to me!I have been in it before when I was little and would like to go in it again to see if I like what they teach. I'm just confused because my grandma always makes me feel guilty or I'm not "progressing spiritually" fast enough and its really bugging me. Now shes talking about me becoming an unbaptized published but she never asked me what I wanted to do...My parents are both non relgious btw, my dad was an unbaptized JW but he left and moved out.
I'll tell you about me, it may help or not. I'm the only jw in my family and I'm pleased about that even though I'm an active publiisher. Why? Because I have always had doubts about the GB or now faithful slave as they put it. It occurred to me this early on about the GB jws kinda worship them following them like sheep. Whatever they sat goes. But with that they used the bible and I liked that as that what I was interested in. So I got baptized etc and was the model jw. Everyone in our circuit knew me, I was a prodigy. Then I got married and my wifes family are jws. They look down on me because I wasn't always a jw. They will not even talk to them. Not all jws are like this but my wife and her family look down on us. It came out after I was married so I was lied to so I've disassociated myself from her family completely. I also found out about the GB being involved as a NGO in the dpi of the UN. After being found out they left showing they knew it was wrong and tried covering it up. I've found jws as a whole are nice people but they are like any other religion imperfect. The human organisation side ie the GB atee corrupt just like the del ai lama, the pope, Buddhists, muslims etc. They are just like everyone else. When someone says don't check everything out like other religions to me that's fishy. Speak your mind and look to the bible not a man organisation. Hope you take the right path in life.

“"Leave the dead horses alone"”

Since: Nov 11

Location hidden

#29 Mar 26, 2013
dee lightful wrote:
<quoted text> Not associating does not not mean shunning esp not the hurtful WT shunning which breaks up families.Can you imagine Jesus telling a parent to shun their child or a child to shun a parent when you are to honor your mother and father. Jesus never shunned anyone even the sinners.
It was Jesus that said this Dee:- Matthew 10:34 Do not think I came to put peace upon the earth; I came to put, not peace, but a sword. 35For I came to cause division, with a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a young wife against her mother-in-law. 36 Indeed, a man’s enemies will be persons of his own household. 37 He that has greater affection for father or mother than for me is not worthy of me; and he that has greater affection for son or daughter than for me is not worthy of me.
BUDGIE

UK

#30 Mar 26, 2013
Gods Kingdom Rules wrote:
<quoted text> Please tell me if someone was going to go by the bible 100 percent would they practice some form of shunning in the light of what the bible says here:-
1Cor 5:9&#8239;In my letter I wrote YOU to quit mixing in company with fornicators, 10&#8239;not [meaning] entirely with the fornicators of this world or the greedy persons and extortioners or idolaters. Otherwise, YOU would actually have to get out of the world. 11&#8239;But now I am writing YOU to quit mixing in company with anyone called a brother that is a fornicator or a greedy person or an idolater or a reviler or a drunkard or an extortioner, not even eating with such a man. 12&#8239;For what do I have to do with judging those outside? Do YOU not judge those inside, 13&#8239;while God judges those outside?“Remove the wicked [man] from among yourselves.
Or would they disagree with what the Apostle Paul wrote?
Regardless of whether you believe in the bible or not. If you accept the bibles/Pauls council then the one true Christian Religion would in some way implement the practice of shunning suggested even if the method may be up for debate to some correct?
Jesus Himself did not shun sinners , He acctually mixed with them and ate with them, tax collectors, adulterers, theives, all were welcome at his table. He was even riddiculed for it.. This is not surprising cos he did say "I have not come for the righteous, but for sinners". Jesus came for sinners , a person who is well does not need a doctor... The father of the prodigal waited on the doorstep every day for him to return, and look what happened when he did. He fell on his neck and kissed him he had a feast and wlcomed him with joy. He didn't order him to sit at the back of the house in disgrace and isolation for six months to prove his repentance. No his father waited eagerly and welcomed his son immediatly he saw him, in fact he ran to meet him... So diferent to the watchtowers idea of handling such matters, take note..
UNchained

Louisville, TN

#31 Mar 26, 2013
I suggest that you pray to Jesus since the bible says this about Him:

2 Peter 1:1
To those who have obtained a faith of equal privilege with ours through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ.
yogosans14 wrote:
<quoted text>
2 Peter 1:1--Simon Peter, a slave+ and apostle+ of Jesus Christ, to those who have obtained a faith, held in equal privilege with ours,+ by the righteousness+ of our God* and [the] Savior Jesus Christ(NWT)
The NWT says it differently.
I agree that the NWT says it differently.

Here is the Greek text:

Nestlé-Aland 26:

Sumewn Petrov doulov kai apostolov Ihsou Xristou toiv isotimon hmin laxousin pistin en dikaiosunh tou qeou hmwn kai swthrov Ihsou Xristou;

1894 Textus Receptus:

Sumewn ‡1 [FN1 Simwn ] Petrov doulov kai apostolov Ihsou Xristou toiv isotimon hmin laxousin pistin en dikaiosunh tou yeou hmwn kai swthrov ‡2 [FN2 hmwn ] Ihsou Xristou

1991 Byzantine text:

Greek -

Sumewn Petrov doulov kai apostolov Ihsou Xristou toiv isotimon hmin laxousin pistin en dikaiosunh tou yeou hmwn kai swthrov Ihsou Xristou

English -

Simon Peter, a bond-servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours, by the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ:

WHY do you think the NWT says 2 Peter 1:1 differently?

WHY do you think the NWT says John 1:1 differently?

WHY do you think the NWT says John 8:58 differently?

WHY?
Gotyou

Houston, TX

#32 Mar 26, 2013
Gods Kingdom Rules wrote:
<quoted text> I would be happy to have a study with you and go through all of your concerns with regards to the NWT, Apostate misinformation, the biblical practice of not associating with unrepentant wrongdoers that are baptized Christians and anything else you want to discuss about the bible.
I checked out all the apostate and opposer arguments before becoming a baptized Jehovah's Witness. The result was i am even more convinced that JW's are the true religion from everything i researched. If you would like to study the ins and outs of everything to do with the bible, JW's and the information that you may have seen on the internet then feel free to private message me and i would be happy to go through it all with you.
Take care
GKR
Boy! You are a worst liar than Satan himself. There is no way a person can become a JW after he or she checked the internet. There is not even 1% chance. You probably joined the WTS because you were lonely and found some instant friends (conditional so-called friends).
Gotyou

Houston, TX

#33 Mar 26, 2013
Booker wrote:
I would really appreciate the absolute truth . PLEASE ! IS JEHOVAH'S WITNESS A TYPE OF CULT ?? PLEEZE I MUST KNOW! I Love my little grandbaby so very much tho I've never seen her . I do have a few pictures . My son & his ex wife married young . He was Soo in love but she did not feel the same after a while . Her Family lived in Montana & my son packed everything up & they all three went to Mt when my grandaughter was only two I think . When they got there he said after only a week or so things were changing and for the worst . She said she was staying with her Family and her Mother offered him money to stay away from his child ( My Grandchild)!! She is the spitting image of her Daddy ( my child ). I MUST KNOW the Truth ABOUT jEHOVAH'S WITNESS . fOR THE LOVE OF MY GRANBABY , MY SON & ME . THANK YOU. MY SON IS GOOD MAN & ADORES HIS CHILD !
Against , thanks.
Jehovah witnesses are not only cultic BUT THEY ARE ONE OF THE WORST CULT. THEY ARE REALLY THE POSTER BOYS FOR CULTS.

“"Leave the dead horses alone"”

Since: Nov 11

Location hidden

#34 Mar 26, 2013
BUDGIE wrote:
<quoted text>Jesus Himself did not shun sinners , He acctually mixed with them and ate with them, tax collectors, adulterers, theives, all were welcome at his table. He was even riddiculed for it.. This is not surprising cos he did say "I have not come for the righteous, but for sinners". Jesus came for sinners , a person who is well does not need a doctor....


You really need to read the scriptures presented again:-

1Cor 5:9In my letter I wrote YOU to quit mixing in company with fornicators, 10not [meaning] entirely with the fornicators of this world or the greedy persons and extortioners or idolaters. Otherwise, YOU would actually have to get out of the world. 11But now I am writing YOU to quit mixing in company with anyone called a brother that is a fornicator or a greedy person or an idolater or a reviler or a drunkard or an extortioner, not even eating with such a man. 12For what do I have to do with judging those outside? Do YOU not judge those inside, 13 while God judges those outside?“Remove the wicked [man] from among yourselves.

So those that commit fornication or adultery and who are brothers or sisters are different than those who are in the world and who are not brothers and sisters and commit these sins.

We are told to not mix in company with brothers and sisters that do this but no such directive is given regarding those in the world.

It is up to the congregation to Judge those on the inside. Whether you agree with this or not does not matter. It is what the bible says and seeing as JWs would rather go by what the bible says instead of what opposers say whatever you believe does not effect us.

The facts are that the true Christian religion practiced removing fornicators that were classed as brothers from among themselves. JW's do this where as other so called christian faiths do not.

This is just one evidence in favor for JW's being the true Christian Religion. whether you agree with the methods we use in disfellowshipping unrepentant or persistent wrongdoers really doesn't matter. JWs have been instructed to Judge sinners that are among them as brothers and sisters.

“"Leave the dead horses alone"”

Since: Nov 11

Location hidden

#35 Mar 26, 2013
Gotyou wrote:
<quoted text>Boy! You are a worst liar than Satan himself. There is no way a person can become a JW after he or she checked the internet. There is not even 1% chance. You probably joined the WTS because you were lonely and found some instant friends (conditional so-called friends).
I assure you it is very possible to not only become a JW after checking the internet but also to be even more convinced than ever that Jehovah's people are Jehovah's Witnesses.

I checked absolutely everything and left no stone unturned.

I assure you I am not lying. You are free to accept what i say about myself or not. It does not matter nor change anything.
UNchained

Louisville, TN

#36 Mar 26, 2013
Gods Kingdom Rules wrote:
<quoted text>
I assure you it is very possible to not only become a JW after checking the internet but also to be even more convinced than ever that Jehovah's people are Jehovah's Witnesses.
I checked absolutely everything and left no stone unturned.
I assure you I am not lying. You are free to accept what i say about myself or not. It does not matter nor change anything.
I believe that you are more convinced than ever that Jehovah's people are Jehovah's Witnesses.

I also believe this scripture...

2 Corinthians 4:4

“"Leave the dead horses alone"”

Since: Nov 11

Location hidden

#37 Mar 26, 2013
UNchained wrote:
<quoted text>
I believe that you are more convinced than ever that Jehovah's people are Jehovah's Witnesses.
I also believe this scripture...
2 Corinthians 4:4
We can all apply 2Cor 4:4 to other people who do not share our beliefs about who Jesus really is.
UNchained

Louisville, TN

#39 Mar 26, 2013
Gods Kingdom Rules wrote:
<quoted text> We can all apply 2Cor 4:4 to other people who do not share our beliefs about who Jesus really is.
The bible clearly identifies who Jesus really is and He is not an angel.
dee lightful

Stanley, NC

#40 Mar 26, 2013
Gods Kingdom Rules wrote:
<quoted text> It was Jesus that said this Dee:- Matthew 10:34 Do not think I came to put peace upon the earth; I came to put, not peace, but a sword. 35For I came to cause division, with a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a young wife against her mother-in-law. 36 Indeed, a man’s enemies will be persons of his own household. 37 He that has greater affection for father or mother than for me is not worthy of me; and he that has greater affection for son or daughter than for me is not worthy of me.
Why did Jesus say that? Matt 10 is speaking of what happens to those that reject jesus and what happens when Jesus returns.
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Matt 10 is no reason to deny Jesus' message for man to love and care for all as you would yourself
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.Nor is it a reason to deny Gods' Commandment to honor you mother and father.
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Your teaching is another example of the lack of knowledge of scriptures in context taught to you by men.

“"Leave the dead horses alone"”

Since: Nov 11

Location hidden

#41 Mar 26, 2013
dee lightful wrote:
<quoted text> Why did Jesus say that? Matt 10 is speaking of what happens to those that reject jesus and what happens when Jesus returns.
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Matt 10 is no reason to deny Jesus' message for man to love and care for all as you would yourself
.
.Nor is it a reason to deny Gods' Commandment to honor you mother and father.
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Your teaching is another example of the lack of knowledge of scriptures in context taught to you by men.
It is you that is disagreeing with this unambiguous set of verses:-

1Cor 5:9In my letter I wrote YOU to quit mixing in company with fornicators, 10not [meaning] entirely with the fornicators of this world or the greedy persons and extortioners or idolaters. Otherwise, YOU would actually have to get out of the world. 11But now I am writing YOU to quit mixing in company with anyone called a brother that is a fornicator or a greedy person or an idolater or a reviler or a drunkard or an extortioner, not even eating with such a man. 12For what do I have to do with judging those outside? Do YOU not judge those inside, 13 while God judges those outside?“Remove the wicked [man] from among yourselves.

It is you that is misapplying scriptures to disagree with these verses. You are disagreeing with the bible not JWs.
Claude Kenneson

Crawfordville, FL

#42 Mar 26, 2013
Gods Kingdom Rules wrote:
<quoted text> It was Jesus that said this Dee:- Matthew 10:34 Do not think I came to put peace upon the earth; I came to put, not peace, but a sword. 35For I came to cause division, with a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a young wife against her mother-in-law. 36 Indeed, a man’s enemies will be persons of his own household. 37 He that has greater affection for father or mother than for me is not worthy of me; and he that has greater affection for son or daughter than for me is not worthy of me.
Do you imagine that Jesus went around actively trying to promote divisions? No. He knew how people responded to him and his message is what would divide. There are some people who make Jesus number one in their lives and there are others who do not. One's choice is what causes the division. But, he is cautioning us to make the CORRECT choice--HIMSELF. Notice he says ME.

Jesus told us how we are to deal with a brother who sins against a fellow believer. Go to him one to one and show him his fault. If that doesn't work, bring one or two along with you and try again. If that still doesn't do it, tell it to the congregation and if he refuses to listen to it, treat him as a tax collector. And how did Jesus treat tax collectors? Remember Matthew? See Matt. 9:9-11 Sounds more like we are to treat the brother with love then anything else.

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