1969 Awake! "you will never grow old ...

“All the best to you, in life!”

Since: Oct 07

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#328 Dec 1, 2009
Thanks, Christian Trucker! Much appreciated.

“By grace you have been saved”

Since: May 09

Croydon, UK

#329 Dec 1, 2009
WIZARD wrote:
That is one of the first steps a JW must take in order to see the Watchtower for what it is and as soon as they begin to slowly realise it the JW is soon faced with a momentous decision...
Should I stay and continue to believe in the Governing Body or should I leave and lose my entire network of friends and family?
It's a hard call. It's a very hard call.

I visited my estranged Jehovah's Witness sister's grave on Sunday, she died in June, just to make sure it was clean and tidy.

I then walked the places we would play as children, visited old non-Witness friends and neighbours we had known, just to capture a flavour of the sister I had known and loved.

Then, standing alone on the beach watching a glorious sunset, my heart nearly broke with an outpouring of grief and sobbing.

To misquote Bob Dylan:

"I’ve still got the scars that the Son didn’t heal."


It will be my Jehovah's Witness father next. He is 94.

I hate this religion.

I love Jehovah's Witnesses, they are are the hapless victims of deception, but I hate this religion.

“GOD IS LOVE”

Since: Aug 09

WE ARE ALL ONE

#330 Dec 1, 2009
Stanley Walker wrote:
<quoted text>
It's a hard call. It's a very hard call.
I visited my estranged Jehovah's Witness sister's grave on Sunday, she died in June, just to make sure it was clean and tidy.
I then walked the places we would play as children, visited old non-Witness friends and neighbours we had known, just to capture a flavour of the sister I had known and loved.
Then, standing alone on the beach watching a glorious sunset, my heart nearly broke with an outpouring of grief and sobbing.
To misquote Bob Dylan:
"I’ve still got the scars that the Son didn’t heal."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =1REs1WOGRhoXX
It will be my Jehovah's Witness father next. He is 94.
I hate this religion.
I love Jehovah's Witnesses, they are are the hapless victims of deception, but I hate this religion.
((((((Stanley Walker)))))

I DO understand and empathize with you in your pain. I have loved ones that have died while their affections for others had been affected by WTS policies and doctrines too. Our family has been torn and shredded by this evil and damaging form of religion.

“By grace you have been saved”

Since: May 09

Croydon, UK

#331 Dec 1, 2009
Nedoba wrote:
I DO understand and empathize with you in your pain. I have loved ones that have died while their affections for others had been affected by WTS policies and doctrines too. Our family has been torn and shredded by this evil and damaging form of religion.
Thanks Nedoba, and likewise reciprocated.

What a great quality is empathy, so much more poignant than sympathy.

Which makes Jesus such a great Saviour.

"I've been there, I too have felt that pain," our Saviour says.

"He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him." -- John 1:11

“Delivering the Gospel”

Since: Feb 09

Location hidden

#332 Dec 2, 2009
Stanley Walker wrote:
<quoted text>
It's a hard call. It's a very hard call.
I visited my estranged Jehovah's Witness sister's grave on Sunday, she died in June, just to make sure it was clean and tidy.
I then walked the places we would play as children, visited old non-Witness friends and neighbours we had known, just to capture a flavour of the sister I had known and loved.
Then, standing alone on the beach watching a glorious sunset, my heart nearly broke with an outpouring of grief and sobbing.
To misquote Bob Dylan:
"I’ve still got the scars that the Son didn’t heal."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =1REs1WOGRhoXX
It will be my Jehovah's Witness father next. He is 94.
I hate this religion.
I love Jehovah's Witnesses, they are are the hapless victims of deception, but I hate this religion.
Hey Stanley
Sad to say, but you're not standing alone on this one.The marjority of my family are jws, who cannot answer anything beyond their "reason " book,so they just refuse to talk about this religion.
I feel like my hands are tied and pray daily for a open door.I share the same love/hate feeling.I will keep you and yours in my prayers.

Your brother in Christ
CT

“All the best to you, in life!”

Since: Oct 07

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#333 Dec 2, 2009
My family is in the same state, Stanley. You have my deepest empathy. My family will not speak to me, save my brother and one niece who are no longer Jehovah's Witnesses.

My wife has remained by my side, so far, but there is a large portion of our individual lives that she refuses to share with me and that she refuses to let me share with her.

Our spiritual lives are separated by religious decree, because the religion is terrified that she would leave if she considered what I have discovered.

In my opinion, in that most important aspect of successful marriage—the spiritual union—the religion I left brings itself under divine judgment by putting apart what God has yoked together.

“GOD IS LOVE”

Since: Aug 09

WE ARE ALL ONE

#334 Dec 2, 2009
~~~In my opinion, in that most important aspect of successful marriage—the spiritual union—the religion I left brings itself under divine judgment by putting apart what God has yoked together.~~~

My hubby and I shared the same beliefs when we were married although he had no interest in attending the church of his childhood but agreed to bring our children up in it.

It was ME that put the monkey wrench into the marriage by coming into the WTS and then being very insistent about birthdays, holidays, going to clubs with friends (back when we were in our 30's), no longer attending church weddings and funerals and EVERYTHING that the men of the WTS say is a no-no to them.

Now SOMEHOW the WTS overlooks this negative behavior, the unyoking of the couple at THEIR demand, and whatever fails IN the marriage because of their edicts and expectations....is winked at and not taken seriously at all. Ho hum...big deal...the evil worldly one is unhappy, shrug, shrug. In this aspect, the WTS has no concept of the sanctity of marriage.
NoGodNeeded

Palermo, ME

#335 Dec 2, 2009
Nedoba wrote:
~~~In my opinion, in that most important aspect of successful marriage—the spiritual union—the religion I left brings itself under divine judgment by putting apart what God has yoked together.~~~
My hubby and I shared the same beliefs when we were married although he had no interest in attending the church of his childhood but agreed to bring our children up in it.
It was ME that put the monkey wrench into the marriage by coming into the WTS and then being very insistent about birthdays, holidays, going to clubs with friends (back when we were in our 30's), no longer attending church weddings and funerals and EVERYTHING that the men of the WTS say is a no-no to them.
Now SOMEHOW the WTS overlooks this negative behavior, the unyoking of the couple at THEIR demand, and whatever fails IN the marriage because of their edicts and expectations....is winked at and not taken seriously at all. Ho hum...big deal...the evil worldly one is unhappy, shrug, shrug. In this aspect, the WTS has no concept of the sanctity of marriage.
This is true. Sometimes what happens is the only reason people get married (other then attraction) is these so called spiritual goals set up by the org. And when the couple finds out these goals are false and the leave the cult, they have trouble finding any common bonds in the marriage because it was founded upon the lies of these men.
T D Runkshore Jr

Middletown, NY

#336 Dec 2, 2009
Jehovah Witnesses banned in Russia.What country is next?

“By grace you have been saved”

Since: May 09

Croydon, UK

#337 Dec 2, 2009
Christian Trucker wrote:
Hey Stanley
Sad to say, but you're not standing alone on this one.The marjority of my family are jws, who cannot answer anything beyond their "reason " book,so they just refuse to talk about this religion.
I feel like my hands are tied and pray daily for a open door.I share the same love/hate feeling.I will keep you and yours in my prayers.
Your brother in Christ
CT
Likewise reciprocated CT.

I have deep respect for your posts.

Just keep your eyes on that better country. Hebrews 11:16

“By grace you have been saved”

Since: May 09

Croydon, UK

#338 Dec 2, 2009
AuldSoul1 wrote:
My family is in the same state, Stanley. You have my deepest empathy. My family will not speak to me, save my brother and one niece who are no longer Jehovah's Witnesses.
My wife has remained by my side, so far, but there is a large portion of our individual lives that she refuses to share with me and that she refuses to let me share with her.
Our spiritual lives are separated by religious decree, because the religion is terrified that she would leave if she considered what I have discovered.
In my opinion, in that most important aspect of successful marriage—the spiritual union—the religion I left brings itself under divine judgment by putting apart what God has yoked together.
Very sorry to hear that AuldSoul, my heart goes out to you.

I very much identify with and agree on your point on the Organization coming between you are your wife. Such a pile of judgement is stacked up against this false idol.

“GOD IS LOVE”

Since: Aug 09

WE ARE ALL ONE

#339 Dec 2, 2009
Isn't it nothing short of amazing for those of us that were married before we ever heard of the WTS....

that we allowed our heads to be messed with and our minds to be so manipulated to the point that we were willing to sacrifice our marriages in order to bend to the expectations and demands of some men in Brooklyn?

Frightening, isn't it?

“By grace you have been saved”

Since: May 09

Croydon, UK

#340 Dec 2, 2009
Nedoba wrote:
Isn't it nothing short of amazing for those of us that were married before we ever heard of the WTS....
that we allowed our heads to be messed with and our minds to be so manipulated to the point that we were willing to sacrifice our marriages in order to bend to the expectations and demands of some men in Brooklyn?
Frightening, isn't it?
If any one of us wrote our personal experience as a screenplay for a film [movie], highlighting the devastation caused to marriage and the family, it would be dismissed as incredulous.

"No one would believe that."
Stanley Steamer

Lakewood, WA

#341 Dec 2, 2009
Stanley Walker wrote:
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If any one of us wrote our personal experience as a screenplay for a film [movie], highlighting the devastation caused to marriage and the family, it would be dismissed as incredulous.
"No one would believe that."
What movie is that...Revenge of the Nerds?

“GOD IS LOVE”

Since: Aug 09

WE ARE ALL ONE

#342 Dec 3, 2009
Stanley Walker wrote:
<quoted text>
If any one of us wrote our personal experience as a screenplay for a film [movie], highlighting the devastation caused to marriage and the family, it would be dismissed as incredulous.

"No one would believe that."
I daresay you're right :o)

“By grace you have been saved”

Since: May 09

Croydon, UK

#343 Dec 5, 2009
NoGodNeeded wrote:
This is true. Sometimes what happens is the only reason people get married (other then attraction) is these so called spiritual goals set up by the org. And when the couple finds out these goals are false and the leave the cult, they have trouble finding any common bonds in the marriage because it was founded upon the lies of these men.
That's true. A lot of congregation match-making goes on, especially by the women folk, lining up the likely candidates.

“All the best to you, in life!”

Since: Oct 07

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#344 Dec 7, 2009
*** SPOOF ARTICLE ***
This article is recreated by BARELY CHANGING ANYTHING in the original article that actually appeared in Awake! in the May 22, 1969 issue.

Awake! 2009, May 22, p.15

If you were a young person in 1969, you also need to face the fact that your grandchildren will never grow old in this present system of things. Why not? Because all the evidence in fulfillment of Bible prophecy indicates that this corrupt system is due to end in a few years. Of the generation that observed the beginning of the 'last days' in 1914, Jesus foretold:'This generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur.'

Therefore, as young persons, your grandchildren will never fulfill any career that this system offers. If they are in high school and thinking about a college education, it means at least four, perhaps even six or eight more years to graduate into a specialized career. But where will this system of things be by that time? It will be well on the way towards its finish, if not actually gone!

This is why grandparents who base their lives on God's prophetic Word find it much more practical to direct their grandchildren into trades that do not require such long periods of additional schooling. True, those who do not understand where we are in the stream of time from God's viewpoint will call this impractical. But which is really practical: preparing your grandchildren for a position in this world that soon will pass away? or helping them work toward surviving this system's end and enjoying eternal life in God's righteous new order?

If you were 20 in 1969, put confidence in the Governing Body writing as God's Channel, did not pursue a career or education, and you are 58 years old now with no education and no career — would YOU call this "false prophecy"?

“All the best to you, in life!”

Since: Oct 07

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#345 Dec 7, 2009
Sorry, I got that wrong. You'd be 60 now, wouldn't you?
isnrblog

Ocala, FL

#346 Dec 7, 2009
Stanley Walker wrote:
<quoted text>
It's a hard call. It's a very hard call.
I visited my estranged Jehovah's Witness sister's grave on Sunday, she died in June, just to make sure it was clean and tidy.
I then walked the places we would play as children, visited old non-Witness friends and neighbours we had known, just to capture a flavour of the sister I had known and loved.
Then, standing alone on the beach watching a glorious sunset, my heart nearly broke with an outpouring of grief and sobbing.
To misquote Bob Dylan:
"I’ve still got the scars that the Son didn’t heal."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =1REs1WOGRhoXX
It will be my Jehovah's Witness father next. He is 94.
I hate this religion.
I love Jehovah's Witnesses, they are are the hapless victims of deception, but I hate this religion.
I know the feeling Stan.

I guess I am not as bothered by the family shunning as you are. Even growing up as a JW, my family was not that close.

I do know it causes many people pain.

But you have to be you, you have to go with what you believe. The guy at Bethel who thought up shunning should get a big fat bonus. It held me in the JW's for far to long. I should have left years earlier.

With the JW's you're either for them or against them. No middle ground, no neutrality.

However they can't understand why their "neutrality" makes people hate them.

I am sorry that many of my family and friends no longer speak to me. However painfull that is, it is better than pretending and staying in that awful religion.

Hypocrisy is hard work.

I am sorry for your pain.
isnrblog

Ocala, FL

#347 Dec 7, 2009
Stanley Steamer wrote:
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What movie is that...Revenge of the Nerds?
My movie would be:

"How could I have been so stupid for so long"

Story line: Wide eyed, gullibale and raised as a JW from birth in 1951, Fred Dumbazz stays a JW even after the following prophesies from the Watchtower didn't happen:

At age 18 Fred was reading this from the Awake, May 22, 1969 page 15:

"All the evidence in fulfillment of Bible prophesy indicates that this corrupt system is due to end in a few years. Jesus foretold "This generation will by no means pass away until all these things occur".

And from the same Awake, page 15:

"Therefore as a young person you will never fulfill any career that this system offers."

From “Our Kingdom Ministry”, May 1974, page 3:

“Yes, since the summer of 1973 there have been new peaks in pioneers every month. Now there are 20,394 regular and special pioneers in the United States, an all-time peak. That is 5,190 more than there were in February 1973! A 34-percent increase! Does that not warm our hearts? Reports are heard of brothers selling their homes and property and planning to finish out the rest of their days in this old system in the pioneer service. Certainly this is a fine way to spend the short time remaining before the wicked world’s end.—1 John 2:17.”

So Fred, sold his house, quit his job, sold his stocks, quit college? "Hey, Fred, who told you to do that?"

But Fred had faith in this:

In 1971, they said it would come in the 20th century:”Shortly, within our twentieth century, the “battle in the day of Jehovah” will begin”. From: The Nations Shall Know That I Am Jehovah - How? 1971 p. 216”

But Fred had this to fall back on from the Watchtower, 7/1/69 pg395:

“People who were only just old enough to understand what was happening to the world in 1914 are now approaching seventy years of age. Yes, the numbers of that generation are dwindling fast, but before they all pass away this system must meet its end in the war of Armageddon.”

But his hopes are dashed in 1995 when the Jo Ho's change this to.

Watch Fred waste a good part of his life.

Cast: Big Azzhole..........Stanley Steamer

You brainless twit. Nice fellow feeling for Stan the ex Jo Ho with his sister passing. I can feel the love.

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