Was it righteous of God to kill David...

Since: Dec 09

Harrogate, UK

#22 Dec 15, 2009
ablebodiedman wrote:
BornAthiest,
Do you want Jesus Christ to be your King?
Yes or No - No dancing.
In Christ
abe
Which version of Jesus Christ exactly? There are many, as I am sure you already know. Answer me that, then I'll happily answer the question.

Since: Dec 09

Harrogate, UK

#23 Dec 15, 2009
ablebodiedman wrote:
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Why?
He made you in the first place.
If he decides that something he made is not working properly he has every right to get rid of it or try to fix it so that it does work properly.
If you planted a tree in your front yard and it didn't grow properly you have every right to chop it down.
In Christ
abe
You equate a tree with a human? Interesting...

And by your logic, if my daughter grows up to not function in the way I hope, I can kill her? Wow.

Might does not make right - do you understand that?

And if your god wants to put the condemnation upon me and all other humans for his rubbish creation, then so be it - he can do it according to you - he can wipe us out in a second.

Doesn't stop him being an evil tyrant though, does it?:)

The picture you paint of your god is, quite frankly, a nightmarish malevolent beast. If I were him, I'd be pretty annoyed at you right now.
jimi

United States

#24 Dec 15, 2009
BornAtheist wrote:
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I didn't miss the point, I'm basically trying to see if anyone will say, "Yeah, God was right to kill that baby to punish David".
God did not kill the little bastard...he died, as do many babies. David prayed for God to save the child, as do many parents. His prayers went unanswered. Many self serving prayers are.

Since: Dec 09

Harrogate, UK

#25 Dec 15, 2009
ablebodiedman wrote:
and... even if it did grow properly, you still have every right to chop it down.
In Christ
abe
That is despicable... absolutely vile.

Do you understand what sort of sick world view you have?

Of course you don't, you're brainwashed to think your god is nice when in reality he is a fiend.

Since: Dec 09

Harrogate, UK

#26 Dec 15, 2009
ablebodiedman wrote:
Luke 13:6
6 Then he went on to tell this illustration:“A certain man had a fig tree planted in his vineyard, and he came looking for fruit on it, but found none. 7 Then he said to the vinedresser,‘Here it is three years that I have come looking for fruit on this fig tree, but have found none. Cut it down! Why really should it keep the ground useless?’ 8 In reply he said to him,‘Master, let it alone also this year, until I dig around it and put on manure; 9 and if then it produces fruit in the future,[well and good]; but if not, you shall cut it down.’”
And then it's back to the bible to find a verse to justify your sick outlook - seriously, from what is written here, you could justify the killing of disabled people.
ablebodiedman

Canada

#27 Dec 15, 2009
BornAtheist wrote:
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Which version of Jesus Christ exactly? There are many, as I am sure you already know. Answer me that, then I'll happily answer the question.
The Jesus Christ that was appointed by God.

Yes or No

No dancing around.

In Christ

abe

Since: Dec 09

Harrogate, UK

#28 Dec 15, 2009
ablebodiedman wrote:
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The Jesus Christ that was appointed by God.
Yes or No
No dancing around.
In Christ
abe
So, Jesus who isn't God, but who does endorse the things he says?

Hmmmm... sorry, I don't follow might-makes-right... that's for playground bullies and sicko insane gods of the desert. So I'd say, no, I don't want it.

Of course, if the alternative is that I have to be tortured forever, then I will have to submit - see how that works? I am bening forced against my will to accept Jesus.

Your god's a real nice guy - hahahaha!
ablebodiedman

Canada

#30 Dec 15, 2009
The alternative is to continue dying in this slime pit of a world with no hope.

No, I am not going to bully you into living in a world where true peace and justice exists. You don't have to live in a world where every man treats each other the way they also would like to be treated.

Jesus Christ will not bully into making the right decision either.

If these things were understood then the world could have been a paradise right from the start.

It IS your choice.

Genesis 2
15 And Jehovah God proceeded to take the man and settle him in the garden of E´den to cultivate it and to take care of it. 16 And Jehovah God also laid this command upon the man:“From every tree of the garden you may eat to satisfaction. 17 But as for the tree of the knowledge of good and bad you must not eat from it, for in the day you eat from it you will positively die.”

In Christ

abe

“There is no fear in love”

Since: Dec 09

Location hidden

#31 Dec 16, 2009
BornAtheist wrote:
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How about if we use a model of God's justice system in our societies and start putting to death the baby child of a murderer or thief? Does that sound good to you people?
Sorry to chip in. I like to voice what Justice is from the Bible's standpoint and our existence in relation to our universe.
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First Biblical Justice is NOT like a weighing scale. To illustrate, a person may say, "I did good deeds all my life. But of course, there are occasions where I failed, but those are nothing when compared to all the goods I did." Hence, the person should gain life from God because he did more good than bad in his life? The answer is NO. As long as a person sins, it does not matter how much good he had done. He WILL die. So from this standpoint, everyone including David's child dies. It's only when.
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Now let's touch on ourselves. How "big" am I (are you)? In relation to ourselves, we can be really big. But the English word for it is "boasting" and is vain.
Even if we're really someone, where do we stand in relation to the universe? Will our life or death cause a difference to the functioning of the Sun, moon, or the smallest asteroid that is flying around? Even if it affects our immediate family members, the time frame is just 70 or 80 years. Divide this number by the age of the Earth, our existence is as good as zero.
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Due to our limited wisdom, we may not know the complete reason why God allow David's child to die.
But for sure, Justice was not violated because that child was born in sin. Also, the true blessings for that Child is not it has died, but it has been remembered by God. By the grace of Christ, that child WILL be resurrected, a prospect many now living may not have!
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Hence, let's not delve on how "unrighteous" God was to make us more righteous. On the contrary, seek out His love in Jesus, as the Apostle Paul puts it: "So, then, as through one trespass the result to men of all sorts was condemnation, likewise also through one act of justification the result to men of all sorts is a declaring of them righteous for life."
Yes, we may feel unjustified on many matters. But won't God's consideration to give us life freely through Jesus actually undone all those injustices?

Since: Aug 08

Location hidden

#32 Dec 16, 2009
Excellent points made PARTYDELIGHTS.

Since: Dec 09

Phoenix, AZ

#33 Dec 16, 2009
Topsy...is it you that AMOM and MegaRude call Tipsy? If so, did you know they think that we are one in the same? Now that I think of it, maybe it is they who are actually the same person. Is there a way to check isps.. that would answer alot.

Since: Aug 08

Location hidden

#34 Dec 16, 2009
I know who MEGARUDE is, and who AMOM is.

MEGARUDE has gone by many different accounts, he has even made one to impersonate me!

He does this because he gets banned quite often for abusive posts.

AMOM has had her account liquidated as well.

Yes, it is me they call TIPSY, it is me they accus e of being a pedophile, etc...

They have said many things simply because I refuse to join in teh JW bashing to the level they consider needed to prove I am not of of "them".

Make no mistake, Conditional acceptance exists on both sides here.
ablebodiedman

Canada

#35 Dec 16, 2009
Topsy Crett wrote:
Anybody know the name of David and Bthsheba's second child?
I see this story two fold.
One, one will pay for the consequences of thier actions.
TWO, GOD forgives, and can make something wonderfull come out of something terrible.
The thought of it to any parent is so horrible, so overwhelming, so traumatic that we dont even have a word to define it or name it.
Topsy,

Yes!

GOD forgives, and can make something wonderfull come out of something terrible.

Look at what God allowed to happen to his own perfect absolutely righteous son, Jesus Christ!

If God is going to be defamed then certainly this might be a valid reason.

When the situation is more closely examined however, the resulting justice is overwhelming.

Once a person understands this how can they ever bring into question God's actions?

and yet they do!

In Christ

abe
ablebodiedman

Canada

#36 Dec 16, 2009
partydelights wrote:
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partydelights,

I thought that Singapore is a country where you can be criminalised for being a Jehovah's Witness.

Are you taking risks posting here?

In Christ

abe
RevelationTime

Atlanta, GA

#37 Dec 16, 2009
BornAtheist wrote:
Please can someone defend this - again, it's a case of the children suffering for the crimes of their fathers'
You can't argue that it is not in God's "loving" character - that's exactly what he did with Adam and Eve.
So the life that is in us comes from YOU? Hmm...I didn't realize that. I was under the impression, and according to the scriptures, that our ruach comes from YAH (YHWH), which means HE decides who gets it, and who gets to keep it.

What happened between the Father, David and Bathsheba, was between them, and they both were wise enough to accept the Father's decision regarding that child, which they experienced because of their actions. In fact, David even apologized to YAH after.

I have to say: You remind me very much of a man's whiny son... His dad tells him he can't do something or will no get this or cannot have that, and he throws an unsightly tantrum. Of course that doesn't change his dad's decision ;-)

You have a lot to learn about our Creator. Not only is He real, but it matters not if you believe it. His existence is independent of your belief or lack thereof. And when you are cold bones in your grave, YAH (YHWH) will still exist, and even afterward...
HalleluYAH.
brother winston

London, KY

#38 Dec 16, 2009
Have none of you read nor considered what is written in the law? "A ba**ard shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the Lord." Deuteronomy 23:2. This son, unnamed, was a bast**d and could have been a troublesome rival to Solomon.

David would have been hard pressed to keep this son from the congregation, for he would have been required to live in exile all his days.

That son will be raised in a resurrection to grow up and to be offered salvation, so he is not gone forever.

Since: Dec 09

Location hidden

#39 Dec 16, 2009
Good question.Apparently david and bathsheba kept their sin hidden for at least nine months .we know that because gods prophet said "the child just born"..Could the 9 months of mental pressure bathsheba went thru have made the baby sickly? Under the law of moses david and bathsheba should have been stoned to death so i guess you could say it was an act of mercy to allow the parents to live.either way I for one will never criticize gods judgement.
RevelationTime

Atlanta, GA

#40 Dec 16, 2009
brother winston wrote:
Have none of you read nor considered what is written in the law? "A ba**ard shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the Lord." Deuteronomy 23:2. This son, unnamed, was a bast**d and could have been a troublesome rival to Solomon.
David would have been hard pressed to keep this son from the congregation, for he would have been required to live in exile all his days.
That son will be raised in a resurrection to grow up and to be offered salvation, so he is not gone forever.
Yes, and the most important thing is this: the first-born has rights to the throne, and MashiYah the King was prophecied to come through that line. How would it have affected the legitimacy of the lineage had the MashiYAH been born through an illegitimate bloodline? An illegitimate lineage would have meant that MashiYAH would NOT have been qualified for his office, as he has now received in heaven....

And not to mention that David made himself a thief by stealing the first-fruits of the womb that belong to a husband and his wife for an inheritance. Even considering this, David brought trouble into his household that lasted for generations because of his unlawful union with Uriah's wife, even on David's deathbed there was trouble within his house.

2 Samuel 12:1-11

The Devil is ever scheming against David's seed...
brother winston

London, KY

#41 Dec 16, 2009
Go back and look at David's father Judah.

Genesis 38 gives this story. He took a Canaanite woman to procreate with. She produced 3 sons. YHWH took the lives of the eldest two, then He became a widower and produced twins by his widowed daughter-in-law. He didn't seem to have really that great morals, did he?
RevelationTime

Atlanta, GA

#42 Dec 16, 2009
brother winston wrote:
Go back and look at David's father Judah.
Genesis 38 gives this story. He took a Canaanite woman to procreate with. She produced 3 sons. YHWH took the lives of the eldest two, then He became a widower and produced twins by his widowed daughter-in-law. He didn't seem to have really that great morals, did he?
In this instance, though, the scriptures are clear that his daughter in-law disguised herself, so he didn't know who she was. Read on through verses 27 of Genesis 38, for the outcome of that debacle.

In any event, you see within the scriptures the behaviors and double standards of people who did not live by YAH's standards for them--the prohibitions against adultery and fornication according to the Fther's laws are a few examples, and humans' not following those guidelines.

Just the fact that he was willing to sleep with a harlot and yet kill his daughter-in-law because someone told him she prostituted herself, is the PRIME example of the double-standard. So much for imperfection...

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