JW's - OK to Walk Away From Debt?

JW's - OK to Walk Away From Debt?

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“Family comes First”

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#1 Dec 3, 2012
WT 8 - 1 - 67
As to the sabbath year, according to Deuteronomy 15:1, 2, there was a releasing from debt:“At the end of every seven years you should make a release. And this is the manner of the release: there will be a releasing by every creditor of the debt that he may let his fellow incur. He should not press his fellow or his brother for payment, because a release to Jehovah must be called.” The expression “at the end of every seven years” is understood as meaning ‘in the seventh year.’ Compare Deuteronomy 14:28.

This sabbath year was thus fittingly called “the year of the release.”(Deut. 15:9; 31:10) During that year, not only the land enjoyed a rest or release, lying uncultivated (Ex. 23:11), but there was also to be a rest or a release in connection with debts incurred.(Deut. 15:3) It was a “release to Jehovah,” in honor of him.

As to the matter of the releasing of debts on the sabbath year, though some commentators view it differently, apparently the debts were not canceled, but a creditor was not to press a fellow Hebrew for payment of a debt. He was released from paying on any debt that year. This was a loving provision, especially since the land was not cultivated during the sabbath year and, with no crops, there would be no income for the farmer during the year.

This year of release from being pressed for payment of debts did not bring release to slaves, many of whom would be in slavery because of indebtedness. Rather, the Hebrew slave was released on the seventh year of his servitude, or on the Jubilee if it came first.(Deut. 15:12; Lev. 25:10, 54) This regulation is mentioned at Exodus 21:2:“In case you should buy a Hebrew slave, he will be a slave six years, but in the seventh he will go out as one set free without charge.” It is to be noted that the freedom of the slave here did not necessarily coincide with the sabbath year.

However, on the Jubilee year all who had sold themselves into servitude, whether the six years of servitude had been completed or not, were set free; there was liberty.“You must sanctify the fiftieth year and proclaim liberty in the land to all its inhabitants. It will become a Jubilee for you, and you must return each one to his possession and you should return each man to his family.”—Lev. 25:10.

As to the Jubilee year, seven of the seven-year periods (7 X 7 = 49) were to be counted, and the following year, the fiftieth, was a Jubilee year. The land again had complete rest.(Lev. 25:11, 12) The Jubilee was in a sense an entire year of festival, a year of liberty. The keeping of it would demonstrate Israel’s faith in their God Jehovah and would be a time of thanksgiving and happiness in his provisions.—Lev. 25:20-22.
Borderline Diagnosis

Monticello, NY

#2 Dec 3, 2012
Business partnerships and significant relationships come under pressure today. Unpredictable influences rule the day, so stay on your toes. A competitor may be turning up the heat, so stay focused and ready to defend your ground. In matters of the heart, you will need to stay calm in the face of escalating emotions. Balance is the key word for the day (1st Peter 5 vs 5 through 19)

“Family comes First”

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#3 Dec 3, 2012
Borderline Diagnosis wrote:
Business partnerships and significant relationships come under pressure today. Unpredictable influences rule the day, so stay on your toes. A competitor may be turning up the heat, so stay focused and ready to defend your ground. In matters of the heart, you will need to stay calm in the face of escalating emotions. Balance is the key word for the day (1st Peter 5 vs 5 through 19)
Seems sensible!
Bhull Schitt

Middletown, NY

#4 Dec 3, 2012
Borderline Diagnosis wrote:
Business partnerships and significant relationships come under pressure today. Unpredictable influences rule the day, so stay on your toes. A competitor may be turning up the heat, so stay focused and ready to defend your ground. In matters of the heart, you will need to stay calm in the face of escalating emotions. Balance is the key word for the day (1st Peter 5 vs 5 through 19)
Excellent post!. Both astrological and biblical advice combined.

“Family comes First”

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#5 Dec 3, 2012
See, I'm just curious. The WT article quoted above seems to say that 7 years was the maximum anyone could be beholden (in "slavery")to someone for a debt.

If the jubilee year came before the 7 years was up, maybe even after 1 year, all debts were off.

So will JW's apply this priciple when (and if) they lend money to someone else, in particular another JW?

Could a witness invoke the 7 year rule as justification for not paying any debts to anyone once 7 years had passed, such as would be the case of a debt repayable over 120 months?

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#6 Dec 3, 2012
Very fitting when it comes to debt:(Matthew 5:37) 37 Just let YOUR word Yes mean Yes, YOUR No, No; for what is in excess of these is from the wicked one.

“Tight lines”

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#7 Dec 3, 2012
That was old testament stuff.
It is very common knowledge that it is not OK for a Christian to walk away from a debt.

So, your assumption is incorrect.

“Family comes First”

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#8 Dec 3, 2012
florida native wrote:
That was old testament stuff.
It is very common knowledge that it is not OK for a Christian to walk away from a debt.
So, your assumption is incorrect.
No assumption. I'm only asking the question. Plus, how come JW's reckon some of the OT is applicable and some isn't, bearing in mind that the Jubilee Year is supposed to be a a forerunner of Jehovah's great jubilee?

“A VERY BAD MAN”

Since: Dec 06

Republic of Elbonia

#9 Dec 3, 2012
Do you walk away from debt as easily as you walk away from other ugly truths, Mike?

El cacique

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#10 Dec 3, 2012
FH Chandler wrote:
Do you walk away from debt as easily as you walk away from other ugly truths, Mike?
It me TPMP

What is this about Topsy's wife on the "topsy last laugh" thread?

Any idea. Or should it just be ignored?.

“A VERY BAD MAN”

Since: Dec 06

Republic of Elbonia

#13 Dec 3, 2012
El cacique wrote:
It me TPMP
What is this about Topsy's wife on the "topsy last laugh" thread?
Any idea. Or should it just be ignored?.
It's about Dan MEGA Bite My Teach [and his 30 other sockpuppets] latest attempt to stir up drama over that little situation him and Bob created. Now they're spreading a rumor that Rita attempted/contemplated suicide. There may or may not be communication between those two, or Dan might just want people to think there's communication between the two.

What a "man" that guy is, huh? Sniffing around another guy's wife, stirring up trouble in another man's marriage - or, I think more accurately, pretending to - for nothing more than that the aging, busybodying ex/antiJW harridans on this forums can be "entertained" and have something to gossip about.

“A VERY BAD MAN”

Since: Dec 06

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#14 Dec 3, 2012
El cacique wrote:
Or should it just be ignored?.
Without question.

“Tight lines”

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#15 Dec 3, 2012
Mikronboy wrote:
<quoted text>
No assumption. I'm only asking the question. Plus, how come JW's reckon some of the OT is applicable and some isn't, bearing in mind that the Jubilee Year is supposed to be a a forerunner of Jehovah's great jubilee?
The OT is applicable unless it is specifically countered with stuff from the NT.
The OT spoke of multiple wives and stuff but Jesus (NT) was clear on Marriage.
His words override the OT.
TPMP

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#16 Dec 3, 2012
florida native wrote:
That was old testament stuff.
It is very common knowledge that it is not OK for a Christian to walk away from a debt.
So, your assumption is incorrect.
A christian pays his/her debts. Period. As any decent person of good moral fiber would.

They would also take great care to not overspend beyond their means and go over budget.(Luke 14:28)

The bible also says that the borrower is the servant to the man doing the lending (Proverbs 22: latter part of verse 4)

To live beyond one's means is doing harm to oneself. It is a form servitude. It would no be the loving thing to do, especially if one is head of a household and has his/her family to look after. What happens if the head of household falls sick and or suddenly dies? The other spouse is stuck with the debt.

Moderation is the key.(Proverbs 11:2) To Live with ones means is an art form that takes discipline. It can be a real test in this day an age of instant gratification.
Jorge

San Juan, Puerto Rico

#17 Dec 3, 2012
TPMP wrote:
<quoted text>A christian....As any decent person of good moral fiber....
TPMP wrote:
<quoted text> Jorge... probably has HIV too boot.
You read in the Bible how "a Christian, decent person of good moral fiber" ought to live, TPMP.

Why not try it, for a change?

LOL

El cacique

Since: Dec 12

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#18 Dec 3, 2012
Whoever was the wisezz that put the silly judging icons up?.

Too bad.

That post was the truth.

Some people don't like to be held down self-imposed discipline.

It is not easy. I know.

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That is partly the reason why the majority of Americans are, in debt.

Some people had to learn the hard way on how to shore their personal financial portfolio to a viable state.

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Individual conspicuous consumption has its inherent limits.

Someone has to pay that bill "sooner or later".

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#19 Dec 3, 2012
Mikronboy wrote:
See, I'm just curious. The WT article quoted above seems to say that 7 years was the maximum anyone could be beholden (in "slavery")to someone for a debt.
If the jubilee year came before the 7 years was up, maybe even after 1 year, all debts were off.
So will JW's apply this priciple when (and if) they lend money to someone else, in particular another JW?
Could a witness invoke the 7 year rule as justification for not paying any debts to anyone once 7 years had passed, such as would be the case of a debt repayable over 120 months?
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nope! won't work. God is not ruling in the manner that he was back then..and.. people would be going into debt ..with the very idea of not paying it off.

“Family comes First”

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#20 Dec 3, 2012
Just recalling after my father's demise... A local JW couple had lent him a few grand so my brother and I took it on board to settle the debt to ease pressure on momma. They reduced the payable debt by around 30% which was a nice gesture.

“Family comes First”

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#21 Dec 3, 2012
TPMP wrote:
<quoted text>A christian pays his/her debts. Period. As any decent person of good moral fiber would.
They would also take great care to not overspend beyond their means and go over budget.(Luke 14:28)
The bible also says that the borrower is the servant to the man doing the lending (Proverbs 22: latter part of verse 4)
To live beyond one's means is doing harm to oneself. It is a form servitude. It would no be the loving thing to do, especially if one is head of a household and has his/her family to look after. What happens if the head of household falls sick and or suddenly dies? The other spouse is stuck with the debt.
Moderation is the key.(Proverbs 11:2) To Live with ones means is an art form that takes discipline. It can be a real test in this day an age of instant gratification.
Good point. Delaying gratification is a major step towards achieving emotional intelligence.

“Family comes First”

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#22 Dec 3, 2012
FH Chandler wrote:
Do you walk away from debt as easily as you walk away from other ugly truths, Mike?
Oh hi Junior, thanks for dropping by. Listen. I don't want to piss all over your fireworks, but unless you get your act together some day soon and get a handle on that tantrum problem you've got, you ain't never even gonna make paralegal.

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