CHURCHIanity says Jesus WASN'T dead t...

CHURCHIanity says Jesus WASN'T dead those 3 days!

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“EXPOSING CHURCHianity!”

Since: Oct 07

Seattle, WA

#1 Sep 10, 2011
He was alive preching to prisoners in 'Hellfire'(for some unknown reason...maybe saying "I TOLD you so- now you're all stuck here FOEVER!")...

“EXPOSING CHURCHianity!”

Since: Oct 07

Seattle, WA

#2 Sep 10, 2011
This is quite simply the Absloute Proof they have a spirit- but it's not God's!

“Bustin' Myths”

Since: Dec 09

Location hidden

#3 Sep 11, 2011
the Mad JW wrote:
He was alive preching to prisoners in 'Hellfire'(for some unknown reason...maybe saying "I TOLD you so- now you're all stuck here FOEVER!")...
Do you have anything to back up that "they" believe this?

“EXPOSING CHURCHianity!”

Since: Oct 07

Seattle, WA

#4 Sep 11, 2011
You haven't been reading their posts?

He had an "Immortal" soul, too- so he was alive- ELSEWHERE!

“EXPOSING CHURCHianity!”

Since: Oct 07

Seattle, WA

#5 Sep 11, 2011
See the Topic: "Did Jesus have an 'immortal' soul?"

Since: Dec 07

Melbourne, Australia

#6 Sep 11, 2011
I do not know how widely you have read scholarly studies on the subject, so let me enlighten you.

The Jews expected their Messiah to be a warrior, a strong king figure who would release them from the yoke of the heathens, such as the Romans. When the followers of this Jewish Rabbi Yeshua said this was the promised Messiah (="Christ"/"Ano inted One"), the Jews could not believe it, since he had been murdered by these Roman overlords.

So the churchianities invented the stories that he had been raised from death. In the process, the stories they created of the length of his death vary, up to 3 days and 3 nights, the events surrounding the resurrection discovery are at odds, and certain events, such as the waving of the branches, indicate some writers wished to place the death in the religiously significant month of Tishri (September/October).

This resurrected person could suddenly appear, pass through locked doors, travel enormous distances in a short time, and could survive altitude sickness as it floated like a fairy into the stratosphere to the heaven that sat just above the sky (near the International Space Station).

You are absolutely correct my friend, it is amazing what stories churchainity has invented. Little wonder it took the trinitarians 300 years to get their way with deciding which writings to stick into their Scriptures. No wonder they made so many serious mistakes when they selected the writings for the Christian Scriptures (that's another subject you can attach Churchianity over).

BTW. Their story says Yeshua's followers ran away when their leader was arrested in Gesthemane, yet they were able to write what happened during his trial, even what Pilate's wife said to hubby in bed. More invention stories for you to lay at the feet of Churchianity.

Go for it, Mad JW. I am with you all the way.

Doug

“EXPOSING CHURCHianity!”

Since: Oct 07

Seattle, WA

#7 Sep 11, 2011
Well, not QUITE all the way, Doug, if you don't know Jesus WAS the Messiah, and WAS resurrected.

The details, written by different writers at different times & places COULD have minor discrepencies, yet to fool so many people that someone WAS resurrected (if he wasn't) is beyond ME- especially when parents would let themselves WITH THEIR CHILDREN be thrown to the Lions to follow Christ's example of faith...but thanks anyhow!

“EXPOSING CHURCHianity!”

Since: Oct 07

Seattle, WA

#8 Sep 11, 2011
But they stick BOTH feet in their mouths, don't they?

Jesus died...well,KINDA died for our sins....it was his BODY- he went preaching to those in Hellfire those 3 days, then re-entered his bloodless corpse, later returning to heaven in it as the glorifed Zombie-Son-God!

Hoo- HAH!

Since: Aug 07

Location hidden

#9 Sep 11, 2011
animals are souls, anima means soul.

what happens to all the souls of the animials when they die then, if one believes the soul is something that leaves the body at death. Numb 31:28, Rev 16:3, Lev 24:18

Not only that the belief in the immortality of the soul is a satanic lie. "You possitivly will not die" Gen 3:4

The wages of sin is death, but it is Christ that gives life through his ransom sacrifice. 1John 2:2 Rom 5:12,18

“KeepProclaiming Christ Death ”

Since: Dec 09

Johnson City, TN

#10 Sep 11, 2011
You certianly are persistant with christ is a zombie for three days. Christ was asleep just like the rest of the dead. His body had to be new like those who are going to be resurrected in the paradise earth.

30 "For in the [resurrection] neither do men marry nor are women given in marriage, but [are as angels in heaven]."

31 "As regards the [resurrection of the dead], did YOU not read what was spoken to YOU by God, saying,"

32 ‘I am the God of Abraham and the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob’? He is the [God], not of the dead, but of the [living].”- Matthew 22:30-32

Since: Dec 07

Melbourne, Australia

#11 Sep 12, 2011
the Mad JW wrote:
Well, not QUITE all the way, Doug, if you don't know Jesus WAS the Messiah, and WAS resurrected.
The details, written by different writers at different times & places COULD have minor discrepencies, yet to fool so many people that someone WAS resurrected (if he wasn't) is beyond ME- especially when parents would let themselves WITH THEIR CHILDREN be thrown to the Lions to follow Christ's example of faith...but thanks anyhow!
I am very pleased we are agreed that Yeshua was supposed to have been dead for 3 days. Churchianity goes from Friday afternoon to the early hours of Sunday morning, which is not 3 days and 3 nights by any stretch of the imagination. I think that is something you should have emphasised more strongly than you did. Better next time, eh.

Why do you accept the writings created by Churchianity? Those NT writings were decided on by the 4th century trinitarians along with their Roman Emperors. You will be aware of the mistakes Churchianity made when they selected some of those writings as Scrpture? Or are you in reality trying to defend Churchianity, and what you are doing is a disguise, a farce?

Was there a resurrection? How do you know? Only because some Churchianities told you?

What are the statistics for Christians being thrown to lions? Do these figures come from Churchianity or from official state statistics? In which years were these sacrifices meant to have occurred? How come the Romans went from persecuting Christian Jews to adopting them by the time of the Councils of the 4th century? When did this supposed persecution finish?

Who told you that Rabbi Yeshua was the Messiah? Churchianity did.

Doug

“EXPOSING CHURCHianity!”

Since: Oct 07

Seattle, WA

#12 Sep 12, 2011
Great questions, Doug!

First- one for YOU!

What was God's purpose in having the geneology so painstaking recorded in Israel all those centuries?

“EXPOSING CHURCHianity!”

Since: Oct 07

Seattle, WA

#13 Sep 12, 2011
LordyLordy- "zombie" is MY spin, since in sci-fi zombies are living, bloodless humans.
By saying Jesus is in HEAVEN- the SPIRIT realm- in a bloodless, human body (no toilets, food stores, etc) the theology you've been taught makes him a Zombie-God in heaven...

“EXPOSING CHURCHianity!”

Since: Oct 07

Seattle, WA

#14 Sep 12, 2011
Is there ANTYHING in the Bible churchianity DOESN'T screw up?

“KeepProclaiming Christ Death ”

Since: Dec 09

Johnson City, TN

#15 Sep 12, 2011
the Mad JW wrote:
LordyLordy- "zombie" is MY spin, since in sci-fi zombies are living, bloodless humans.
By saying Jesus is in HEAVEN- the SPIRIT realm- in a bloodless, human body (no toilets, food stores, etc) the theology you've been taught makes him a Zombie-God in heaven...
I believe in that context it is a good reference to zombies. I don't believe Jesus went to heaven in a bloodless human body but as a spirit. I'm still not sure how anyone believes he went to heaven in a human body.

“EXPOSING CHURCHianity!”

Since: Oct 07

Seattle, WA

#16 Sep 12, 2011
That's ENCOURAGING, LL- it shows you can still THINK!
Their claim is that Acts 1 SHOWS his ascention in the human body he had (blood spilled when nailed up).

We show the context- where a cloud IMMEDIATELY caught him from their vision, and that we know he left that body since he WAS raised to heaven as "a life-giving spirit".(1 Cor 15)

Since: Dec 07

Melbourne, Australia

#18 Sep 13, 2011
the Mad JW wrote:
Great questions, Doug!
First- one for YOU!
What was God's purpose in having the geneology so painstaking recorded in Israel all those centuries?
He didn't.

The writers wrote for their own purposes, often to show their descent to a certain hero figure. Thus the Aaronide priests wrote their accounts and their genealogies to promote Aaron, and hence their sect. Likewise with their opposing priests.

It is better understood when one realises that the bulk of the Hebrew Scriptures was written during a 200 year period from the 8th to the 6th centuries BCE. Yes, I know that many scholars put a more recent date for the composition of these religious writings, but let's be conservative

Only about 2% could read and less could write; the People of the Land had a great dislike for writing as a form of communication.

So what we read are propaganda statements aimed at their opposing groups of priests (people who were caable of reading). Generally, we are speaking about priests at Shiloh and priests at Jerusalem.

Thus when we read about the pressures on the monarch to centralise worship at Jerusalem, we are reading propaganda.

The same goes with the genealogies -- they were a signifiant part of the propaganda warfare. It also goes for their historical records; their historiography were distorted accounts rendered to meet their own political ends.

Doug

Since: Dec 07

Melbourne, Australia

#19 Sep 13, 2011
This should update you on the subject of resurrection and ascension:

http://www.jwstudies.com/Spong_resurrection_a...

Doug

“EXPOSING CHURCHianity!”

Since: Oct 07

Seattle, WA

#21 Sep 13, 2011
Surprised you THINK that, Doug. WE believe the scriptures are from GOD- and he has that geneology also extend into the Greek scriptures...

So, you're saying it was the vanity of man- that God didn't motivate its being preserved?

Have you forgotten the LINE of DESCENT the Messiah was prophesied to be from?

Since: Dec 07

Melbourne, Australia

#22 Sep 13, 2011
We each have our own understandings, and I fully respect your right to have yours. And we should be able to have a mature discussion about our respective postions, so that we may remove our own unfounded baggage.

God has done a poor job of preserving the original texts; none exists and there are so many variants that any endeavouor to discern any original is, as the scholars tell us, like trying to unscramble an omelette.

Just consider the several variants of the Greek (LXX) scriptures and then contrast them against the existing Masoretic Texts (which are not that old), and compare them with the variants of the Dead Sea community.

Look at the wide range of LXX citations used by the NT writers, some of which no longer exist.

People wrote these words. They wrote them to influence their own immediate community, with the objective of attaining change they wished to achieve in that community.

To fully understand what a writer(s) intended we have to understand the culture of the community in which it was ceated.

Have you studied how and who wrote? For example, the OT scriptures were fundamentally written during the 8th to 6th centuries. Have you studied the politics involved in the canonisation of the respective writings?

What they wrote might benefit us, but they were not writing to us.

I suggest a wider range of reading is required.

The Jews expected a warrior king messiah, not a small baby or a man who was murdered by the ruling forces they were trying to be freed from.

Doug

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