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gareth has shown on this forum time and time again that he thinks its ok to lie for the WT and its ok to twist as much as he can when issues come up that he cannot defend mainly because the WT itself has shown to be contradictory, so what does he do, he either puts it back on the poster and calls them a liar or out right lies himself.

but I think really it has come to not really being concerned about the reputation of the Wt but rather his own reputation as time and time again he has been caught out where he can no longer defend the Wt on certain issues so its become personal, admitting the the Wt is wrong is admitting he is wrong, which is more important to him, that he is wrong, poor thing

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hey garreff, i was just wondering..... how is claiming not to be a baptized jw pr rep, as you do, but instead claiming you are a street person, who is a non practicing homosexual, who studies with jws, and posts from the local library, "just witholding certain information"?

i mean, it sounds like a blatant lie to me..... you know, kinda like inventing a FAKE COMING OF JESUS, in 1874, and then claiming it was all invisible, and then claiming you never said that, and swapping it to another fake coming in 1914, and then claiming its just theocratic warfare and god approves of it.

the articles your leadership present about witholding information doesn't seem to be what they themselves are doing.

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They will huff and they will puff, but it is clear to those who take the time to read the whole article that "theocratic war strategy" has nothing whatsoever to do with telling lies.

In fact when people read it, it is actually telling people that they can NOT lie, even when their life is threatened.

The MOST we can do under such EXTREME circumstances is AVOID giving away information that may cause someone physical harm.

That's all.

But they latch on to snippet quotes out of context to try to prove their lies.

Some people are fooled by it. But then Jesus said that not everyone can be saved. Not everyone wants to know the truth.

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And not everyone wants to get baptized.

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Aneirin wrote:
They will huff and they will puff, but it is clear to those who take the time to read the whole article that "theocratic war strategy" has nothing whatsoever to do with telling lies.
In fact when people read it, it is actually telling people that they can NOT lie, even when their life is threatened.
The MOST we can do under such EXTREME circumstances is AVOID giving away information that may cause someone physical harm.
That's all.
But they latch on to snippet quotes out of context to try to prove their lies.
Some people are fooled by it. But then Jesus said that not everyone can be saved. Not everyone wants to know the truth.
true, we know what Theocratic Warfare is and it has nothing to do with lying to someone.

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red blood relative wrote:
hey garreff, i was just wondering..... how is claiming not to be a baptized jw pr rep, as you do, but instead claiming you are a street person, who is a non practicing homosexual, who studies with jws, and posts from the local library, "just witholding certain information"?
i mean, it sounds like a blatant lie to me..... you know, kinda like inventing a FAKE COMING OF JESUS, in 1874, and then claiming it was all invisible, and then claiming you never said that, and swapping it to another fake coming in 1914, and then claiming its just theocratic warfare and god approves of it.
the articles your leadership present about witholding information doesn't seem to be what they themselves are doing.
hey garreff.... ummmm.... are you a baptized jw?.... is the jw gov body appointed by god?...... is it all theocratic warfare?

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YKN0T wrote:
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Wow!
So when did Jah give the ability to read hearts/minds to a non-JW like yourself?
Aneirin wrote:
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Your intentions are transparent. No special powers needed.
You're as phoney as a Three Dollar Bill, Aneirin/Gareth. Yknot merely exposed you for what you are.

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YNOT is a YNUT,as evidenced by her weird comments.

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Why don't you admit it, that you are really Noah's Day, or one of her buddies. I will say tho, I think you may have improved a bit(not sure how tho).

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I guess you should ask yourself why you are on a JW forum poorly attempting a defense of a religion you reject personally and how you reconcile your impending destruction by Jah...

So now you became a Judge? How quaint.
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The quote is entirely IRRELEVANT to the thread considering it does NOT tell people that they can lie.
But Anti-JWs are ALWAYS quoting only a small part of it to promote the idea that Jehovah's Witnesses are "taught to lie".
You are no exception.
Did the wtbts threaten to disfellowship brothers and sisters that voted for President of the US? Is that a lie? Can a baptised jw vote for any politician, yes or no?

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Nomi wrote:
Why don't you admit it, that you are really Noah's Day, or one of her buddies. I will say tho, I think you may have improved a bit(not sure how tho).
no Nomi you are wrong, and I hardly ever reply to ynot, your just being trouble maker again. I don't come on as other people, when I changed my name I said so straight away.
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YKN0T wrote:
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Nope not judging a bit....
As a person who claims to have spent most of her life an active JW (but now inactive)I find it strange that I would need to remind you of our beliefs regarding those who aren't sheltered securely in the Ark before it is too late....and we all have seen studies like Gareth so I don't think I need to illuminate further...
Better yet, since you are inactive and your behavior is embarrassing and a blight to Brothers/Sisters worldwide I think it is best you stop randomly addressing me.....better for you to focus on returning to the Truth (as in become active not just occasionally claiming to call in every now and then
A-men..
Shes just a nasty old mean person..Like so many others are/
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Florida Sunshine wrote:
<quoted text>A-men..
Shes just a nasty old mean person..Like so many others are/
I think it is time for her (or him) to leave the WTS and turn to our Lord and God Jesus Christ to be saved. The WTS cannot save anyone but they are deceiving as many as they can.
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Aneirin wrote:
They will huff and they will puff, but it is clear to those who take the time to read the whole article that "theocratic war strategy" has nothing whatsoever to do with telling lies.
In fact when people read it, it is actually telling people that they can NOT lie, even when their life is threatened.
The MOST we can do under such EXTREME circumstances is AVOID giving away information that may cause someone physical harm.
That's all.
But they latch on to snippet quotes out of context to try to prove their lies.
Some people are fooled by it. But then Jesus said that not everyone can be saved. Not everyone wants to know the truth.
Direct and Cross-Examination Questions in Child Custody Cases
WTB&TS, page 42
"Be careful that they [JW children being questioned] don't get the impression that they are in a demonstration at the circuit assembly, when they would show that the first things in life are service and going to the Kingdom Hall. Show hobbies, crafts, social activity, sports, and especially plans for the future".

Gareth:
"The MOST we can do under such EXTREME circumstances is AVOID giving away information that may cause someone physical harm.
That's all".

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If children would show that the first things in life are service and going to the Kingdom Hall, how would that cause somebody physical harm?

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stup wrote:
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Direct and Cross-Examination Questions in Child Custody Cases
WTB&TS, page 42
"Be careful that they [JW children being questioned] don't get the impression that they are in a demonstration at the circuit assembly, when they would show that the first things in life are service and going to the Kingdom Hall. Show hobbies, crafts, social activity, sports, and especially plans for the future".
What is the problem with this?

It is simply legal advice to let parents know that they need to show the court that their children are getting a rounded upbringing.

Children may forget to point out their diverse interests or they may not think to mention them because, being children, they don't know how important it is.

So why do you have a problem with this?

If you are in a child custody case and someone is trying to take your children away, YOUR lawyer will give you the same DECENT advice.

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stup wrote:
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Direct and Cross-Examination Questions in Child Custody Cases
WTB&TS, page 42
"Be careful that they [JW children being questioned] don't get the impression that they are in a demonstration at the circuit assembly, when they would show that the first things in life are service and going to the Kingdom Hall. Show hobbies, crafts, social activity, sports, and especially plans for the future".
Gareth:
"The MOST we can do under such EXTREME circumstances is AVOID giving away information that may cause someone physical harm.
That's all".
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If children would show that the first things in life are service and going to the Kingdom Hall, how would that cause somebody physical harm?
Looks like they want them to basically deny they are witnesses.
Odd, it seems they have reason to not disclose this.

And yes, how is saying that you are a devoted witness child (especially when they are talking to authorities) going to cause anyone physical harm?

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YKN0T wrote:
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Nope not judging a bit....
As a person who claims to have spent most of her life an active JW (but now inactive)I find it strange that I would need to remind you of our beliefs regarding those who aren't sheltered securely in the Ark before it is too late....and we all have seen studies like Gareth so I don't think I need to illuminate further...
Better yet, since you are inactive and your behavior is embarrassing and a blight to Brothers/Sisters worldwide I think it is best you stop randomly addressing me.....better for you to focus on returning to the Truth (as in become active not just occasionally claiming to call in every now and then
You really are a piece of work aren't you!

Jehovah loves Nomi and so do his Witnesses.

What you are trying to do to this wonderful sister is quite nauseating. You should be really ashamed of yourself.

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Aneirin wrote:
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What is the problem with this?
It is simply legal advice to let parents know that they need to show the court that their children are getting a rounded upbringing.
Children may forget to point out their diverse interests or they may not think to mention them because, being children, they don't know how important it is.
So why do you have a problem with this?
If you are in a child custody case and someone is trying to take your children away, YOUR lawyer will give you the same DECENT advice.
Really??

"If you are in a child custody case and someone is trying to take your children away, YOUR lawyer will give you the same DECENT advice."

The lawyer will tell you to not mention so much about being a devoted witness and christian and all that?
You may be right some would consider raising a child as a JW could be a bad thing. Better hide it.

Or... would Jehovah rejoice at the one who steadfastly held his belief 'in all aspects of life'.

But who knows, maybe the Court is one that is considered not worthy of the truth.

Oh, and how many jw children are encouraged to play sports, further their education, etc etc?

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Nomi wrote:
I guess you should ask yourself why you are on a JW forum poorly attempting a defense of a religion you reject personally and how you reconcile your impending destruction by Jah...
So now you became a Judge? How quaint.
I guess you should ask yourself why you chose to return to using an avatar that promotes halloween. You are no jw nomi.

You are flaunting your defiance in the face of your leaders, the gb. But hey, carry on. I'm sure the readers who may be interested in studying with jws will have no problem wondering why a jw would deliberately choose a halloween avatar.

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