Lying

[Randall]

When someone lies to a judical committie or there elder or in an given situation to "CYA", it a SIN. But if the elder lies to protect the TRUTH, ie a child molestation investagation, so as to avoid law suits, bad publicity and to "protect Jehovahs name", this is called "theocratic war stragity". Why is this?

[Aneirin]

Randall wrote:

When someone lies to a judical committie or there elder or in an given situation to "CYA", it a SIN. But if the elder lies to protect the TRUTH, ie a child molestation investagation, so as to avoid law suits, bad publicity and to "protect Jehovahs name", this is called "theocratic war stragity". Why is this?

You are just making stuff up.

This thread is well names, you are a liar.

[Mythbusters]

Aneirin wrote:

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You are just making stuff up.
This thread is well names, you are a liar.

So, tell us,what is it called when a jw feels that someone isn't "entitled" to know the "truth" of a matter?

[Nedoba]

Mythbusters wrote:

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So, tell us,what is it called when a jw feels that someone isn't "entitled" to know the "truth" of a matter?

By the same token....how can ANY NONJW be assured that whatever he is being told....is the truth of a matter and NOT the weasel words used by the GB followers to eliminate or cover up the truth of something?

WTS defenders are trained to lie and knowingly distort the truth....so how can anyone ever trust them? "And you will know the Truth, and the Truth will set you free." John 8: 32....for those lying to one another, conversely, you are NOT free at all but are bound by your lies. Theocratic Warfare....no matter how nicely it is dressed up to appear honorable......is still not telling the truth.

[Nomi]

WTS defenders are trained to lie and knowingly distort the truth....so how can anyone ever trust them? "And you will know the Truth, and the Truth will set you free." John 8: 32....for those lying to one another, conversely, you are NOT free at all but are bound by your lies. Theocratic Warfare....no matter how nicely it is dressed up to appear honorable......is still not telling the truth.

Nedoba, that is not true at all. Our Freedom comes from giving up a world steeped in sin, corruption, its traditions, falsehoods, and philosiphies...that is true Freedom..."of the Sons of GOD"..

[hMMMMM]

Nedoba wrote:

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By the same token....how can ANY NONJW be assured that whatever he is being told....is the truth of a matter and NOT the weasel words used by the GB followers to eliminate or cover up the truth of something?
WTS defenders are trained to lie and knowingly distort the truth....so how can anyone ever trust them? "And you will know the Truth, and the Truth will set you free." John 8: 32....for those lying to one another, conversely, you are NOT free at all but are bound by your lies. Theocratic Warfare....no matter how nicely it is dressed up to appear honorable......is still not telling the truth.

Yup.
They are programmed to lie to "protect jehovah"

[Nomi]

From the Queen of lying here, that may be a compliment.

[Remnant143999]

According to the secret elder's manual lying is a disfellowshipable offence, but if the wtbts were to disfellowship for lying there wouldn't be any witnesses left!

[Lol]

Nomi wrote:

WTS defenders are trained to lie and knowingly distort the truth....so how can anyone ever trust them? "And you will know the Truth, and the Truth will set you free." John 8: 32....for those lying to one another, conversely, you are NOT free at all but are bound by your lies. Theocratic Warfare....no matter how nicely it is dressed up to appear honorable......is still not telling the truth.
Nedoba, that is not true at all. Our Freedom comes from giving up a world steeped in sin, corruption, its traditions, falsehoods, and philosiphies...that is true Freedom..."of the Sons of GOD"..

Are you saying you've never heard of "theocratic warfare"?

How long have you been a witness, again? All your life or something like that?

I think you are employing theocratic warfare right now by denying you know that it's used!

[hMMMMM]

Lol wrote:

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Are you saying you've never heard of "theocratic warfare"?
How long have you been a witness, again? All your life or something like that?
I think you are employing theocratic warfare right now by denying you know that it's used!

Yup!!

[Aneirin]

YKN0T wrote:

Photocopy from Aid Book
http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u92/miller...

I strongly recommend that people read that WHOLE PAGE, because YNOT is certainly hoping that you won't bother. He deliberately selected only a small part of the text in his quote because he knows it will give a false impression.

[Aneirin]

YKN0T wrote:

*** it-2 p. 244 Lie ***
Lying generally involves saying something false to a person who is entitled to know the truth and doing so with the intent to deceive or to injure him or another person.
The Aid book puts it this way:
""""While malicious lying is definitely condemned in the Bible, this does not mean that a person is under obligation to divulge truthful information to people who are not entitled to it. """"

This is simply saying that you can keep your mouth shut if you don't want to help somone to hurt you or your friends.

That is NOT lying.

YNOT along with all the anti-JW propaganda fanatics use that selective quote to try to give the FALSE impression that JWs are allowed to lie when needed. This is absolutely not true.

[Aneirin]

Once again this thread is well named.

It was created by the anti-JW fanatics and it describes what they are doing perfectly.

[sick of the cult]

The religion of Islam has a similar belief. They feel it is permissible to lie to infidels to further their religion. I don't find it odd at all that both antichrist religions feel the same way about truth.

[Mythbusters]

Aneirin wrote:

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I strongly recommend that people read that WHOLE PAGE, because YNOT is certainly hoping that you won't bother. He deliberately selected only a small part of the text in his quote because he knows it will give a false impression.

She posted a copy from the book. You are lying by denying that this is what jws are taught to do.

This is from the Insight book since gareth and the faux jos on here distrust the Aid book because it was mostly written by a...gasp..."apostate ".

You have been caught lying gareth. Tsk, tsk!

*** it-2 p. 245 Lie ***
While malicious lying is definitely condemned in the Bible, this does not mean that a person is under obligation to divulge truthful information to people who are not entitled to it. Jesus Christ counseled:“Do not give what is holy to dogs, neither throw your pearls before swine, that they may never trample them under their feet and turn around and rip you open.”(Mt 7:6) That is why Jesus on certain occasions refrained from giving full information or direct answers to certain questions when doing so could have brought unnecessary harm.(Mt 15:1-6; 21:23-27; Joh 7:3-10) Evidently the course of Abraham, Isaac, Rahab, and Elisha in misdirecting or in withholding full facts from nonworshipers of Jehovah must be viewed in the same light.—Ge 12:10-19; chap 20; 26:1-10; Jos 2:1-6; Jas 2:25; 2Ki 6:11-23.

[Nedoba]

sick of the cult wrote:

The religion of Islam has a similar belief. They feel it is permissible to lie to infidels to further their religion. I don't find it odd at all that both antichrist religions feel the same way about truth.

This does put it all into perspective doesn't it? The GB's use of weasel words and their *many* instances of being totally disingenuous...all boil down to intelligent people connecting the dots and uncovering the sordid mess that encompasses the WTS "truths".

[Aneirin]

YKN0T wrote:

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Wow!
So when did Jah give the ability to read hearts/minds to a non-JW like yourself?

Your intentions are transparent. No special powers needed.

[red blood relative]

Nedoba wrote:

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This does put it all into perspective doesn't it? The GB's use of weasel words and their *many* instances of being totally disingenuous...all boil down to intelligent people connecting the dots and uncovering the sordid mess that encompasses the WTS "truths".

yes.... nedoba, its all about the cover up of their fake coming of jesus that appointed them to rule over all of christianity.

they are claiming its ok to lie about something like that, and such a lie is just spiritual warfare to further the truth.

yet the whole concept of jesus already returning and appointing them to rule before he actually returns, IS A HUGE WICKED LIE.... jesus didn't return in 1844 nor 1874, nor 1914.

they are claiming its no big deal if its all a lie, since it fits into the theocratic warfare category.

but they keep claiming its ok if its a lie, since its just spiritual warfare, to lead the sheep.

[MixedMedia]

YKN0T wrote:

*** it-2 p. 244 Lie ***
Lying generally involves saying something false to a person who is entitled to know the truth and doing so with the intent to deceive or to injure him or another person.

The Aid book puts it this way:

""""While malicious lying is definitely condemned in the Bible, this does not mean that a person is under obligation to divulge truthful information to people who are not entitled to it. """"

"Who is entitled to know the truth"?
Wow wonder who decides who is entitled. I'm going to give some here and say that it means not telling people things they have no business knowing as opposed to what it looks like, which is you don't have to be truthful to people you consider unworthy.

[MixedMedia]

YKN0T wrote:

<quoted text>Wow!

So when did Jah give the ability to read hearts/minds to a non-JW like yourself?

You are making false assumptions about my intentions....I suppose I could suggest you are LYING but realistically you are a just an over-emotional man who is way too engaged in a forum about a religion you never bothered to join.

I don't expect you to discern the nuances of my faith as strategy is a policy that is no longer broadly taught.

Didn't you know he is all knowing. But maybe we are not entitled to hear truths.