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#41 Jan 24, 2014
-Drizzt wrote:
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The people who Jesus assigned to take the lead were inspired. Their inspired writings were to be used. When individuals went astray of that, Paul gave warnings about teaching their own things. The WT teaches their own uninspired teachings like Paul warned about.
If t you think the scriptures are talking about people other than the 1st century contemporaries, then tell me who was taking the lead, so as to be followed, after the death of the Apostles?
Does it apply to all religions and their leaders since then?
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. Opps! seems we think in the same vain.. There is no one today that fits the bill.

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#42 Jan 24, 2014
-Drizzt wrote:
The people who Jesus assigned to take the lead were inspired.
At times yes, but the people the Apostles assigned to take the lead were NOT inspired, they were just elders.
-Drizzt wrote:
Their inspired writings were to be used.
And they still are even today among Jehovah's Witnesses (not so much in churches).
-Drizzt wrote:
When individuals went astray of that, Paul gave warnings about teaching their own things.
Jehovah's Witnesses agree with that. Tht is why people are not allowed to teach their own things among the Christian congregation. Normally you criticize them for that, nice to see you agreeing with them now.
-Drizzt wrote:
The WT teaches their own uninspired teachings like Paul warned about.
That is not true.

Jehovah's Witnesses teach the inspired word of God - the holy Bible. They do it to the very best of their understanding.
-Drizzt wrote:
If t you think the scriptures are talking about people other than the 1st century contemporaries, then tell me who was taking the lead, so as to be followed, after the death of the Apostles?
Well the Apostles and various overseers (like Timothy) appointed elders in the various congregations that were being built. The Bible does not record who they all were.
-Drizzt wrote:
Does it apply to all religions and their leaders since then?
The Bible only teaches one religion, not man religions.

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#43 Jan 24, 2014
Maravilla wrote:
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. the people back then were a whole lot different in that they had received a helper... Do you have a helper Garth??? Does it steer you in the right direction.. AND do you have any of the gifts they were given???? Hmm??
So you are saying there is no holy spirit now but there was back then?

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#44 Jan 24, 2014
Aneirin wrote:
At times yes, but the people the Apostles assigned to take the lead were NOT inspired, they were just elders.
Did the apostles or Jesus assign the WT to anything? No.

Are the WT leaders and their extra biblical teachings inspired? No.

Does God require anyone to be associated with them? No.

When I know that WT teachings are wrong, like their FDS beliefs, before they do-and change it-, or other doctrines, which some they have and some they have yet to change, are wrong, why would I want to follow them? I don't believe in the trinity so why would I subject myself to a trinitarian religion?

I learn from the bible, not people who play "surmising" games with the bible and take action against their membership who don't hold to their doctrines. Since Jesus didn't appoint anyone in the WT religion, they have appointed themselves like the rest of their brethren in Christendom.

Here is a bible proven fact for you: God never has used anyone who is not inspired by him to act or teach on his behalf. If anyone went beyond his word, it was not from him.

You have no idea who was and who was not inspired in the 1st century aside form those mentioned in the bible. But, you do know the WT GB is not.

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#45 Jan 24, 2014
Aneirin wrote:
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At times yes, but the people the Apostles assigned to take the lead were NOT inspired, they were just elders.
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And they still are even today among Jehovah's Witnesses (not so much in churches).
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Jehovah's Witnesses agree with that. Tht is why people are not allowed to teach their own things among the Christian congregation. Normally you criticize them for that, nice to see you agreeing with them now.
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That is not true.
Jehovah's Witnesses teach the inspired word of God - the holy Bible. They do it to the very best of their understanding.
<quoted text>
Well the Apostles and various overseers (like Timothy) appointed elders in the various congregations that were being built. The Bible does not record who they all were.
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The Bible only teaches one religion, not man religions.
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. And yet.. it is the religion of man that is being preached... The bible becomes blurred.. extended... misapplied ..when men ..take over and produce their own written word.. Men.. pick and choose ..to build themselves up to look important... Jehovah's Witness ..is a name that was chosen ,,because it was a display of themselves... The scripture ..was about those that had literally witnessed what God had done.... And yet it fit the image they wanted for themselves..

“The proof is in the pudding!”

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#46 Jan 24, 2014
Maravilla wrote:
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. And yet.. it is the religion of man that is being preached... The bible becomes blurred.. extended... misapplied ..when men ..take over and produce their own written word.. Men.. pick and choose ..to build themselves up to look important... Jehovah's Witness ..is a name that was chosen ,,because it was a display of themselves... The scripture ..was about those that had literally witnessed what God had done.... And yet it fit the image they wanted for themselves..
You're way off. Jehvovah's Witnesses is another way of saying Christian? How so? Well, who was the foremost witness of Jehovah God?

Revelation 5 Jesus Christ,“the Faithful Witness,”

So when we call ourselves Christians, i.e. imitators of Christ, we are calling ourselves witnesses of Jehovah, i.e. Jehovah Witnesses.

If calling ourselves Jehovah's Witnesses is arrogant, then calling yourself Christian must be too.

“The proof is in the pudding!”

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#47 Jan 24, 2014
*Revelation 1:5
UNchained

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#48 Jan 24, 2014
Aneirin wrote:
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God provides spiritual food through the Christian congregation arrangement that publishes its best understanding of scripture through the Watchtower publications.
So what you are saying is that what is printed in Watchtower publications is NOT from God, right?
Marley

San Fernando, Trinidad and Tobago

#49 Jan 24, 2014
Aneirin wrote:
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Perhaps Marley can tell us from the Bible what it means to love God?
You see it is not enough to invent a God that you can love nor is it good enough to decide how God wants to be loved.
The Bible tells us what God requires of us in terms of loving him.
I mean can we love God and reject his son Jesus Christ?
No. By rejecting Jesus we show that we do not love God how he wants to be loved, however much we may think we do.
So there are REQUIREMENTS to how we show love for God.
Now this is what Jesus made the Christian congregation for, to teach people God's requirements that we may love him.
http://jw.org
When you figure out what it is you should be teaching that is. Remember you said your organization is still trying to figure things out so at this time those "requirements" are still being worked out (according to you that is).
So in the meantime... love God with all your heart and mind and love your neighbor as yourself. You may have to rely on the teachings of the Holy Spirit for now since the JWs are still a bit confused.

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#50 Jan 24, 2014
Aneirin wrote:
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So you are saying there is no holy spirit now but there was back then?
Who was the first person affiliated with the JW religion to be appointed by God to represent his interests?

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#51 Jan 24, 2014
Marley wrote:
When you figure out what it is you should be teaching that is.
I know exactly what I should be teaching - the best understanding of the Christian congregation.
Marley wrote:
Remember you said your organization is still trying to figure things out so at this time those "requirements" are still being worked out (according to you that is).
No, NOT according to me. I said they were still trying to figure SOME things out. Those things are few and insignificant and have nothing to do with God's requirements for salvation.

The churches, on the other hand, still have not even figured who God is who Jesus Christ is or how even to be saved.
Marley wrote:
So in the meantime... love God with all your heart and mind and love your neighbor as yourself. You may have to rely on the teachings of the Holy Spirit for now since the JWs are still a bit confused.
Jehovah's Witnesses are not confused at all and simply deciding to love God without even knowing who he is or who his son is will not be enough.

Talk to Jehovah's people: http://jw.org
Marley

San Fernando, Trinidad and Tobago

#52 Jan 25, 2014
Aneirin wrote:
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I know exactly what I should be teaching - the best understanding of the Christian congregation.
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No, NOT according to me. I said they were still trying to figure SOME things out. Those things are few and insignificant and have nothing to do with God's requirements for salvation.
The churches, on the other hand, still have not even figured who God is who Jesus Christ is or how even to be saved.
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Jehovah's Witnesses are not confused at all and simply deciding to love God without even knowing who he is or who his son is will not be enough.
Talk to Jehovah's people: http://jw.org
Can you state the gospel?

So according to you the founder of the Watchtower Society was Jesus Christ and not CT Russell/ Judge Rutherford.

Without posting your boring links, can you state who is Jesus Christ, what is His nature, and if He is not God, why do you listen to Him?

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#53 Jan 25, 2014
Marley wrote:
Can you state the gospel?
The gospel is not a statement but a teaching.
Marley wrote:
So according to you the founder of the Watchtower Society was Jesus Christ and not CT Russell/ Judge Rutherford.
I never said that.
Marley wrote:
Without posting your boring links, can you state who is Jesus Christ, what is His nature, and if He is not God, why do you listen to Him?
Jesus Christ is the first-born only begotten son of Jehovah God. He is a powerful spirit being and we should listen to him because God chose him, sent him and told us to listen to him:

*** Luke 9:35 A voice came out of the cloud, saying, "This is my Son, my chosen. Listen to him!"

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#54 Jan 25, 2014
Learn about the Bible from Bible students!

Jehovah's Witnesses:
http://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/

Jehovah's Witnesses' publications:
http://www.jw.org/en/publications/

Jehovah's Witnesses' Bible teachings:
http://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/
BUDGIE

UK

#55 Jan 25, 2014
Aneirin wrote:
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Let me get this straight.
* If someone does not know absolutely everything then the truth is not in them according to you?
Do you know absolutely everything? If you don't know absolutely everything does that mean the truth is not in you also?
* When it comes to Bible study is that a "guessing game" for you? Do you actually try to guess what is in the Bible?
Jehovah's Witnesses do not guess, they study the Bible by actually reading it and draw logical conclusions.
You keep guessing if you like, see how that works out for you.
What's the difference between GUESSING and SURMISING..You have allways maintained that the WT don't prophecy but they SUMMISE.. Then you say that the WT and JW's don't guess.. Lay off the Watchtower Pal it's confusing you... YOU ARE TALKING IN RIDDLES...Oh what a tangled web we weave when we practice to decieve...
BUDGIE

UK

#56 Jan 25, 2014
UNchained wrote:
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So what you are saying is that what is printed in Watchtower publications is NOT from God, right?
I'll be suprised if Gareth will answer that one Jace because.....

1931 The Watchtower is not the instrument of any man or set of any of men,
nor is it published according to the whims of men. No man's opinion is
expressed in the Watchtower.(Watchtower, Nov. 1 1931 p. 327)

"God uses The Watchtower to communicate to his people; it does not consist of men's opinions."
Watchtower 1/1/1942, page 5..

“Respond to the directions of the organization as you would the
voice of God.“( Watchtower 6/15/1957, p. 370)

If no mans opinion is expressed in the WT... then who's opinion is it ???
Marley

San Fernando, Trinidad and Tobago

#57 Jan 25, 2014
Aneirin wrote:
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The gospel is not a statement but a teaching.
And you better get that teaching right!

Galatians 1:
6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!

Now can you state the gospel?
Hint:
It starts out like this:

1 Corinthians 15:
1 Now, brothers and sisters, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. 2 By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain. 3 For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that he appeared to Cephas, and then to the Twelve. 6 After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers and sisters at the same time, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep. 7 Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles, 8 and last of all he appeared to me also, as to one abnormally born.
jace

Clinton, MD

#58 Jan 25, 2014
Aneirin wrote:
<quoted text>So Bible understanding is either perfect and error free if it is God given or, if it contains errors it is not God given ACCORDING TO YOU.

So then either you are claiming that you have nothing wrong with your understanding of the Bible and that your knowledge is perfect and without error that you never had to learn anything bout the Bible. Or are you admitting that none of your Bible understanding is God given!

Which is it?

Holy spirit teaches people by making them humble and wise for understanding. They still have to learn for themselves. This is what Jehovah's Witnesses are doing. This is why over time their understanding improves. This is why the Bible prophecies says that God's people will be refined and cleansed.
But Gareth you can condemn folks while you are "learning" that the human OPINON teaching is wrong

Being dogmatic on things not directly addressed in the bible always put egg on your face

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#60 Jan 25, 2014
Aneirin wrote:
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At times yes, but the people the Apostles assigned to take the lead were NOT inspired, they were just elders.
<quoted text>
And they still are even today among Jehovah's Witnesses (not so much in churches).
<quoted text>
Jehovah's Witnesses agree with that. Tht is why people are not allowed to teach their own things among the Christian congregation. Normally you criticize them for that, nice to see you agreeing with them now.
<quoted text>
That is not true.
Jehovah's Witnesses teach the inspired word of God - the holy Bible. They do it to the very best of their understanding.
<quoted text>
Well the Apostles and various overseers (like Timothy) appointed elders in the various congregations that were being built. The Bible does not record who they all were.
<quoted text>
The Bible only teaches one religion, not man religions.
You make the comparison, now come up with a foundation on where to begin that comparison. If it is so, then this should be easy to answer:

Who was the first person affiliated with the JW religion to be appointed by God to represent his interests?

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#61 Jan 25, 2014
Aneirin wrote:
Holy spirit teaches people by making them humble and wise for understanding. They still have to learn for themselves. This is what Jehovah's Witnesses are doing. This is why over time their understanding improves. This is why the Bible prophecies says that God's people will be refined and cleansed.
You know, this is easy to prove as a JW illusion.

http://www.quotes-watchtower.co.uk/flip-flops...

Are those few examples IMPROVED UNDERSTANDING?

They are not even examples of "new light." More like BLINKING lights. Why would anyone want to subject themselves to that kind of confusion?

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