"Truth" Du Jour by JW's
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Since: Nov 13

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#1 Jan 23, 2014
Are they to be believed when they state: "This is from the scriptures, you are using something other than the bible as your source. Since you do that, you are wrong. WE TRUST THE BIBLE!"

Sound good? Sure. But let's put a little light on that claim and see if their teaching is from men or the bible as they profess.

Aneirin has also been called Gareth on this forum. With about 50,000 posts, spanning a good number of years, I wonder if he is actually a paid JW working to spread their lies, or if he is really that brainwashed.

Exactly how fluid is his "truth?"

The New FDS teaching: 2013- the WT GB

Gareth- June 5, 2009 "The GB are one member of the body of anointed that make up the faithful slave."
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-...

I love his conviction in his charge against what someone else knows in this next one:

Gareth- Sept. 10, 2009 "You don't know what the faithful and desceet slave is.
You have the teaching all wrong.
Jesus appointed the faithful slave in the first century. It is his anointed congregation.
Every anointed Christian over the last 2000 years is part of that slave.
NOT just the GB, or the modern day anointed ones."
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-...

Gareth- Jan 11, 2011 "Nothing has happened to the faithful and discrete slave. It continues to fashion itself after the Bible example with a central governing body."
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-...

Do JW cultists admit their errors and apologize for being wrong and misleading people?

Nope. They spin it as a positive= New Light!

Can JW's think for themselves so as to come to their own conclusion before the official change? Nope. I doubt they would even consider such a thing anyway. They like the "scratch" on the ears.

aadriver

Since: Aug 09

Bedfordshire, England

#2 Jan 23, 2014
Just like their mother organisation they never admit their mistakes. When Garath wrote those words he was just parroting what he had been told by the org. He and others would swear blind that it was God's truth and they would mock anyone who thought different. I really have no idea why anyone in their right mind would want to stay a part of this org that has got everything wrong in the past and yet never admits to it.

Since: Nov 13

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#3 Jan 23, 2014
aadriver wrote:
Just like their mother organisation they never admit their mistakes. When Garath wrote those words he was just parroting what he had been told by the org. He and others would swear blind that it was God's truth and they would mock anyone who thought different. I really have no idea why anyone in their right mind would want to stay a part of this org that has got everything wrong in the past and yet never admits to it.
The principle in Mat. 15:9 and 2 Thess. 2:11 comes to mind.

“Paradise Earth”

Since: Sep 11

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#4 Jan 23, 2014
-Drizzt wrote:
Do JW cultists admit their errors and apologize for being wrong and misleading people?
It is not misleading to teach people the best understanding of the Christian congregation as the best understanding of the Christian congregation.

Does the understanding ever change?

Sure with prayer and study over time Bible understanding improves for the entire congregation. Jesus said his people would be lead into truth.

Jehovah's Witnesses have always been open about the fact that their teachings change as their understanding of the Bible improves. This is a GOOD THING. It is a FEATURE not a bug.

Since: Nov 13

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#5 Jan 23, 2014
Aneirin wrote:
<quoted text>
It is not misleading to teach people the best understanding of the Christian congregation as the best understanding of the Christian congregation.
Does the understanding ever change?
Sure with prayer and study over time Bible understanding improves for the entire congregation. Jesus said his people would be lead into truth.
Jehovah's Witnesses have always been open about the fact that their teachings change as their understanding of the Bible improves. This is a GOOD THING. It is a FEATURE not a bug.
Two major problems with your reasoning.

If God did not provide the understanding, then people are following other people who obviously don't know anymore than they do. That is not being led by, or into, truth by Jesus or anyone.

God did not instruct people to obey the teachings and explanations of men. The 1st century Christians were not required to follow uninspired people or teachings.

This is why your reasoning on the bible, since it is not yours but the WT's, is useless and not from the bible.

Like I titled this: "Truth" Du Jour by JW's

“come to Richie,, ”

Since: Nov 10

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#6 Jan 23, 2014
Aneirin wrote:
<quoted text>
It is not misleading to teach people the best understanding of the Christian congregation as the best understanding of the Christian congregation.
Does the understanding ever change?
Sure with prayer and study over time Bible understanding improves for the entire congregation. Jesus said his people would be lead into truth.
Jehovah's Witnesses have always been open about the fact that their teachings change as their understanding of the Bible improves. This is a GOOD THING. It is a FEATURE not a bug.
So the TRUTH is not in you? Its just a guessing game of understanding? That Improves? Ah, ok, nevermind! Next time a JW tells a "understanding", i will say, dont worry its changing!!! Someday the TRUTH will be told, and the LIGHT! Woo, Jesus said HE was those things!! Cool!

Since: Nov 13

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#7 Jan 23, 2014
The other issue is that JW's are required to believe in, and teach, whatever the GB says is the current truth. if they don't, they face the consequences of being categorized as standing apart from their leadership and could be disfellowshipped.

Forced unity based on uninspired teachings & (false prophecies) is not part of God's arrangement.

http://www.quotes-watchtower.co.uk/false_prop...

Since: Jul 10

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#8 Jan 23, 2014
Aneirin wrote:
<quoted text>
It is not misleading to teach people the best understanding of the Christian congregation as the best understanding of the Christian congregation.
Does the understanding ever change?
Sure with prayer and study over time Bible understanding improves for the entire congregation. Jesus said his people would be lead into truth.
Jehovah's Witnesses have always been open about the fact that their teachings change as their understanding of the Bible improves. This is a GOOD THING. It is a FEATURE not a bug.
.
. First off..there was no command to teach In the manner the Church thinks they need to...One wonders why Hebrews 5:12.-14 is neglected..

“Paradise Earth”

Since: Sep 11

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#9 Jan 23, 2014
Richies Cool Man Diary wrote:
<quoted text> So the TRUTH is not in you? Its just a guessing game of understanding? That Improves?!
Let me get this straight.

* If someone does not know absolutely everything then the truth is not in them according to you?

Do you know absolutely everything? If you don't know absolutely everything does that mean the truth is not in you also?

* When it comes to Bible study is that a "guessing game" for you? Do you actually try to guess what is in the Bible?

Jehovah's Witnesses do not guess, they study the Bible by actually reading it and draw logical conclusions.

You keep guessing if you like, see how that works out for you.

“Paradise Earth”

Since: Sep 11

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#10 Jan 23, 2014
-Drizzt wrote:
Two major problems with your reasoning.
If God did not provide the understanding, then people are following other people who obviously don't know anymore than they do. That is not being led by, or into, truth by Jesus or anyone.
God did not instruct people to obey the teachings and explanations of men. The 1st century Christians were not required to follow uninspired people or teachings.
This is why your reasoning on the bible, since it is not yours but the WT's, is useless and not from the bible.
Like I titled this: "Truth" Du Jour by JW's
I'm guessing you have not read the Bible.

The first century Christians were absolutely told to obey the teachings and explanations of men:

*** Heb 13:7 Remember your leaders, men who spoke to you the word of God, and considering the results of their conduct, imitate their faith.

*** Heb 13:17 Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they watch on behalf of your souls, as those who will give account, that they may do this with joy, and not with groaning, for that would be unprofitable for you.

In fact that was the whole reason for the Christian congregation's existence- to TEACH people:

*** Matt 28:19,20 Go, and make disciples of all nations,... teaching them to observe all things that I commanded you.

*** 2 Tim 4:2 preach the word; be urgent in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with all patience and teaching.

Man it is unbelievable you don't know this.

“Paradise Earth”

Since: Sep 11

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#11 Jan 23, 2014
READERS this is a classic thread where all these people are going to criticize Jehovah's Witnesses because their teachings are not perfect and they change over time as better Bible understanding emerges. They will argue that God can not be with Jehovah's Witnesses because if God was with them, they would have no mistakes and no errors in their teachings.

HOWEVER

None of these people criticizing Jehovah's Witnesses are perfect either. So they are really being hypocrites.

The truth is the Bible records that NONE of God;s servants have been perfect and error free. They have ALL made mistakes, sometimes really big ones.

So the Bible is not with them in their criticisms.

Since: Jul 10

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#12 Jan 23, 2014
Aneirin wrote:
READERS this is a classic thread where all these people are going to criticize Jehovah's Witnesses because their teachings are not perfect and they change over time as better Bible understanding emerges. They will argue that God can not be with Jehovah's Witnesses because if God was with them, they would have no mistakes and no errors in their teachings.
HOWEVER
None of these people criticizing Jehovah's Witnesses are perfect either. So they are really being hypocrites.
The truth is the Bible records that NONE of God;s servants have been perfect and error free. They have ALL made mistakes, sometimes really big ones.
So the Bible is not with them in their criticisms.
.
. Garth..does it ever occur to you ..that much of what is so called taught by the WTS.. doesn't need to be taught in the first place ..if people were instructed to read their bibles in the manner that God's word has told us to... We ARE to be united.. only .. in the fact that we are followers of Christ... To get our so called learning from the knee's of the WTS..is not a biblical command... OUR ... teachers..died ...long ago..yet their words are there for all who really want to be mature enough to read them themselves. Many.. are not babies.. pablum is not necessary..

aadriver

Since: Aug 09

Bedfordshire, England

#13 Jan 23, 2014
Aneirin wrote:
READERS this is a classic thread where all these people are going to criticize Jehovah's Witnesses because their teachings are not perfect and they change over time as better Bible understanding emerges. They will argue that God can not be with Jehovah's Witnesses because if God was with them, they would have no mistakes and no errors in their teachings.
HOWEVER
None of these people criticizing Jehovah's Witnesses are perfect either. So they are really being hypocrites.
The truth is the Bible records that NONE of God;s servants have been perfect and error free. They have ALL made mistakes, sometimes really big ones.
So the Bible is not with them in their criticisms.
The rest of us to not claim to be God's representatives on earth through whom all mankind will learn the truth. Not only do JWs get everything wrong but they flip flop from one idea to another then sometimes go back to their original idea. In truth they have no clue, and any truth today will be totally different tomorrow.

“come to Richie,, ”

Since: Nov 10

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#14 Jan 23, 2014
Aneirin wrote:
<quoted text>
Let me get this straight.
* If someone does not know absolutely everything then the truth is not in them according to you?
Do you know absolutely everything? If you don't know absolutely everything does that mean the truth is not in you also?
* When it comes to Bible study is that a "guessing game" for you? Do you actually try to guess what is in the Bible?
Jehovah's Witnesses do not guess, they study the Bible by actually reading it and draw logical conclusions.
You keep guessing if you like, see how that works out for you.
You want straight? Nice twist saying i guess what is in the bible, you say you dont guess but call it logical conslusions Truth! Truth is Truth, no twisting needed. Want Truth, Pray, want logical, guess! simple, Oh and I dont preach something that later will be changed by other men...... Preach Truth, Its Christ Jesus... anyother way is just guessing.. Peace!

Do i know everything? naw... I know Jesus is King of King, Lord of Lord, Alpha and Omega... thats enough.. Truth! ah.. now thats preachin.... hahaha. Cool man.....
FutureMan

Australia

#15 Jan 23, 2014
Aneirin wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm guessing you have not read the Bible.
The first century Christians were absolutely told to obey the teachings and explanations of men:
*** Heb 13:7 Remember your leaders, men who spoke to you the word of God, and considering the results of their conduct, imitate their faith.
*** Heb 13:17 Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they watch on behalf of your souls, as those who will give account, that they may do this with joy, and not with groaning, for that would be unprofitable for you.
In fact that was the whole reason for the Christian congregation's existence- to TEACH people:
*** Matt 28:19,20 Go, and make disciples of all nations,... teaching them to observe all things that I commanded you.
*** 2 Tim 4:2 preach the word; be urgent in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with all patience and teaching.
Man it is unbelievable you don't know this.
Like you said, men do not know everything, and the truth is progressive, an ongoing understanding of things pertaining to spiritual matters and our universe at large.

Jesus left the talents of truth with his disciples, and this was to be added to.
But unfortunately, the unholy bishops got control of the original truth (the talents) and closed it of in what we now term as the (Holy Scriptures). And there is where the truth has been stifled until people start to think outside the box of the "Holy Scriptures" that was set up to restrain Christianity. And so in effect it is the "Bible" that has become the veil over the people's eyes.
jace

Clinton, MD

#16 Jan 23, 2014
-Drizzt wrote:
Are they to be believed when they state: "This is from the scriptures, you are using something other than the bible as your source. Since you do that, you are wrong. WE TRUST THE BIBLE!"

Sound good? Sure. But let's put a little light on that claim and see if their teaching is from men or the bible as they profess.

Aneirin has also been called Gareth on this forum. With about 50,000 posts, spanning a good number of years, I wonder if he is actually a paid JW working to spread their lies, or if he is really that brainwashed.

Exactly how fluid is his "truth?"

The New FDS teaching: 2013- the WT GB

Gareth- June 5, 2009 "The GB are one member of the body of anointed that make up the faithful slave."
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-...

I love his conviction in his charge against what someone else knows in this next one:

Gareth- Sept. 10, 2009 "You don't know what the faithful and desceet slave is.
You have the teaching all wrong.
Jesus appointed the faithful slave in the first century. It is his anointed congregation.
Every anointed Christian over the last 2000 years is part of that slave.
NOT just the GB, or the modern day anointed ones."
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-...

Gareth- Jan 11, 2011 "Nothing has happened to the faithful and discrete slave. It continues to fashion itself after the Bible example with a central governing body."
http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-...

Do JW cultists admit their errors and apologize for being wrong and misleading people?

Nope. They spin it as a positive= New Light!

Can JW's think for themselves so as to come to their own conclusion before the official change? Nope. I doubt they would even consider such a thing anyway. They like the "scratch" on the ears.
Wt throws all jw under the bus and they keep laying there to be run over again and again

Gareth- Sept. 10, 2009 "You don't know what the faithful and desceet slave is.
You have the teaching all wrong.
Jesus appointed the faithful slave in the first century. It is his anointed congregation.
Every anointed Christian over the last 2000 years is part of that slave.
NOT just the GB, or the modern day anointed ones."
Priceless

Since: Jul 10

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#17 Jan 23, 2014
Aneirin wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm guessing you have not read the Bible.
The first century Christians were absolutely told to obey the teachings and explanations of men:
*** Heb 13:7 Remember your leaders, men who spoke to you the word of God, and considering the results of their conduct, imitate their faith.
*** Heb 13:17 Obey your leaders and submit to them, for they watch on behalf of your souls, as those who will give account, that they may do this with joy, and not with groaning, for that would be unprofitable for you.
In fact that was the whole reason for the Christian congregation's existence- to TEACH people:
*** Matt 28:19,20 Go, and make disciples of all nations,... teaching them to observe all things that I commanded you.
*** 2 Tim 4:2 preach the word; be urgent in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with all patience and teaching.
Man it is unbelievable you don't know this.
.
. Hebrews..13 :17.. garth.. who today is going to give an account of our worship to God .??? None of the leaders today.. NOT their job... They..like the rest of us...will stand naked before GOD.. and give their own accounting.. Naked.. meaning with no two witnesses.. As with GOD..they are not needed.. He see you when your sleeping..he knows when your awake.. he knows when you've been bad or good ..so be good for goodness sake.. hee hee. had to throw that in..as it does kind of tell it..like it is..
jace

Clinton, MD

#18 Jan 23, 2014
Aneirin"

Let me get this straight........

"Jehovah's Witnesses do not guess"

I thought you always quoted they SURMISE ??
jace

Clinton, MD

#19 Jan 23, 2014
jace wrote:
<quoted text>Wt throws all jw under the bus and they keep laying there to be run over again and again

Gareth- Sept. 10, 2009 "You don't know what the faithful and desceet slave is.
You have the teaching all wrong.
Jesus appointed the faithful slave in the first century. It is his anointed congregation.
Every anointed Christian over the last 2000 years is part of that slave.
NOT just the GB, or the modern day anointed ones."
Priceless
Another jw poster who was clueless

Merely parrots wt press releases

Topsey says

"You know the JW believe that the FDS is the 144,000 represented by teh GB"

They don't know what to believe many times

DOA. TEACHINGS
jace

Clinton, MD

#20 Jan 23, 2014
Aneirin wrote:
READERS this is a classic thread where all these people are going to criticize Jehovah's Witnesses because their teachings are not perfect and they change over time as better Bible understanding emerges. They will argue that God can not be with Jehovah's Witnesses because if God was with them, they would have no mistakes and no errors in their teachings.

HOWEVER

None of these people criticizing Jehovah's Witnesses are perfect either. So they are really being hypocrites.

The truth is the Bible records that NONE of God;s servants have been perfect and error free. They have ALL made mistakes, sometimes really big ones.

So the Bible is not with them in their criticisms.
But Gareth

You guys log 1 billions hours to tell folks THEir church ain't got perfect teachings

Lol

We post a few threads and you start to cry

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