Waiting for the world to end

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Scripture says you are wrong
Romans 10:18
But I ask: Did they not hear? Of course they did: "Their voice has gone out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world."
But what has happened is, that in every place the word of God has traveled, oppositions and persecutions have occurred.
Muslims killed and destroyed the Christian nestorian churches in the east
churches were destroyed in China...Japan crucified any Christians prior to being forced to open its nation..
this is a hidden history that many are unaware of...but scripture tells us above that Christs words have gone to the ends of the world
That they don't know them today , is because their forefathers persecuted and killed Christ [ in his people] and chose another path for their children
you talk nonsense, the word has not at this stage gone out to all the world at all, otherwise the preaching would have stopped, and as on the other thread already explained not everyone will hear the message, besides do you agree with the message that the missionaies have taken to china and other parts, they don't use Gods name and most are trinitarians, are you saying that is the message of Christ, I know you don't believe in the trinity and you do believe that all must call on Jehovah's name, so has the missionaries taught them to call on Jehovah's name LL.
So in your little world LL all will get a personal witness, how long LL did it take you to find what you believe to be the truth?
You are naive and show a lack of love not the love of Christ at all, so because of geography one is much more in line to be saved.
The end is not here yet LL don't give up you may be able to climb every mountain in Peru and Lima wherever and preach the real Christ and covant to that have not had a chance to here the message, hurry up it all hangs on you we don't want Jehovah to kill these people.
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<quoted text>you talk nonsense, the word has not at this stage gone out to all the world at all, otherwise the preaching would have stopped, and as on the other thread already explained not everyone will hear the message, besides do you agree with the message that the missionaies have taken to china and other parts, they don't use Gods name and most are trinitarians, are you saying that is the message of Christ, I know you don't believe in the trinity and you do believe that all must call on Jehovah's name, so has the missionaries taught them to call on Jehovah's name LL.
So in your little world LL all will get a personal witness, how long LL did it take you to find what you believe to be the truth?
You are naive and show a lack of love not the love of Christ at all, so because of geography one is much more in line to be saved.
The end is not here yet LL don't give up you may be able to climb every mountain in Peru and Lima wherever and preach the real Christ and covant to that have not had a chance to here the message, hurry up it all hangs on you we don't want Jehovah to kill these people.
Gods word says you are wrong...

Romans 10:18

But I ask: Did they not hear? Of course they did: "Their voice has gone out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world."

Whether missionaries added on to the word of God or not...doesn't mean every Christian who responded to the gospels ,hasn't had the opportunity to ' test the spirits' as we are commanded.

You confuse two issues..that the gospels have gone out into all the earth as scripture says..and the other which men have added or taken away from his word in every denomination.

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My mother was raised in this religion. She has regular pioneered for several decades and has, as the term goes,'aided many into the truth.' Her faith was unshakeable and she has always been one of the stronger sisters or pillars in the congregation that people went to.
So it was very weird to see her fall into such depression. She had back surgery and knee replacement surgery which has slowed her down, but I could not figure how someone who all her life witnessed about the hope she was taught, could fall into deep depression.
I was at a loss at what to say to comfort her because you know "Jehovah's people are the happiest on Earth" as the WT claims. I kept telling her to draw on her faith and her hope.
But I wonder if living in "this system" much longer than she expected due to the false prophecies from the FDS is what is bringing her down. I never thought I would hear her say she wanted to die! But this is exactly what she felt.
I wonder how many other JWs are suffering from dashed expectations. Most of the older JWs never expected to grow old in "this system of things." They expected "the end" to arrive before the infamous 1914 generation died. Now the goal posts have been moved much further out and those JWs who thought they were near the finish line now learn they have run a lot further.
Its truly sad what is happening to these folks. Proverbs 13:12 Expectations postponed is making the heart sick."
I am so sorry to hear that about your mother, but it does seem to be the normal for many JW's.

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Gods word says you are wrong...
Romans 10:18
But I ask: Did they not hear? Of course they did: "Their voice has gone out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world."
Whether missionaries added on to the word of God or not...doesn't mean every Christian who responded to the gospels ,hasn't had the opportunity to ' test the spirits' as we are commanded.
You confuse two issues..that the gospels have gone out into all the earth as scripture says..and the other which men have added or taken away from his word in every denomination.
does not say every person will get a personal witness does it, if you think that everyone will before armageddon comes, then you ignore the scirptures yourself, it does not say everyone will does it, and how can that be possible dear, unless these days are cut short no one would be saved.

Jehovah looks at peoples hearts, and you fail to see that, are you really saying before the end every single person will have heard about the Christ and his message of salvation?

And the missionaries did not preach what you believe so they would be calling on a different God according to you anyway.

You don't know Jehovah at all if you think that he will kill of people that have not heard about his Son.

Again I ask you do you believe that everyone will hear the message before amageddon and what message will they hear the truth will all hear Jehovah's name as you say they must call on his name to be saved.
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Gods word says you are wrong...
Romans 10:18
But I ask: Did they not hear? Of course they did: "Their voice has gone out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world."
Whether missionaries added on to the word of God or not...doesn't mean every Christian who responded to the gospels ,hasn't had the opportunity to ' test the spirits' as we are commanded.
You confuse two issues..that the gospels have gone out into all the earth as scripture says..and the other which men have added or taken away from his word in every denomination.
The immediate context of Romans 10, shows that Paul is talking about the fleshly Israel of his day, were without excuse of hearing the gospel message.

10 Brothers and sisters, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is that they may be saved. 2 For I can testify about them that they are zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. 3 Since they did not know the righteousness of God....

18 But I ask: Did they not hear? Of course they did:......

It is evident from church history that Paul's journeys were limited. The RCC was used by God to spread the gospel throughout Europe and later after the reformation through many denominations is spreading throughput the world...The evidence in scriptures shows that Jesus said the wheat would grow with the weeds until HE come to separate the wheat from the weed at the end of preaching the eternal and ORIGINAL gospel.

Galatians 1:
6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!

Revelation 14:
6 Then I saw another angel flying in midair, and he had the eternal gospel to proclaim to those who live on the earth—to every nation, tribe, language and people. 7 He said in a loud voice,“Fear God and give him glory, because the hour of his judgment has come. Worship him who made the heavens, the earth, the sea and the springs of water.”

Shalom sister in Christ :)
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Jehovah looks at peoples hearts, and you fail to see that, are you really saying before the end every single person will have heard about the Christ and his message of salvation?
And the missionaries did not preach what you believe so they would be calling on a different God according to you anyway.
You don't know Jehovah at all if you think that he will kill of people that have not heard about his Son.
Again I ask you do you believe that everyone will hear the message before amageddon and what message will they hear the truth will all hear Jehovah's name as you say they must call on his name to be saved.
Yes.. I believe that is what the thousand year rule by Christ is about..

every individual will be judged in the last day BY THE WORD..that is recorded in scripture.

I believe Armageddon occurs after the thousand year reign , after the time all have had the opportunity to hear

In this period of time..Jesus is calling his bride..and many are called but few chosen, as they are to overcome.

Notice Array that the thousand year reign is called the LAST DAY

Have you ever wondered why its called the LAST DAY?...because its the time when no one will have an excuse.

After all scripture tells Christians, we will judge the world...

To be in a position of judging the 'world' means the world has to still exist at the judgment.

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Yes.. I believe that is what the thousand year rule by Christ is about..
every individual will be judged in the last day BY THE WORD..that is recorded in scripture.
I believe Armageddon occurs after the thousand year reign , after the time all have had the opportunity to hear
In this period of time..Jesus is calling his bride..and many are called but few chosen, as they are to overcome.
Notice Array that the thousand year reign is called the LAST DAY
Have you ever wondered why its called the LAST DAY?...because its the time when no one will have an excuse.
After all scripture tells Christians, we will judge the world...
To be in a position of judging the 'world' means the world has to still exist at the judgment.
ok, so you have a different viewpiont of Armageddon when it will occur, you see two Armageddons, one after the GT and one after the thousand years. I thought there was only one.
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A lot of people are depressed.
Sometimes, they do not eat the food they need.
In This Word, they have a lot of stress.
All are expensive and they must pay in time.
When they Watch TV they see people in suffering.
They meet people but they have no friends.
They have nothing to do, to build, to wait...
They are near us, and we do not know them...
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the devil now walks the earth,thats why there is so much evil. people are wondering if God exists. Of course he does so so does the devil. Bush was a born again christian and this devil destroyed many thousand of innocent peoples lives for another countries wealth. pay back time, along with the others in his administration will all GO TO HELL

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little lamb wrote:
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Gods word says you are wrong...
Romans 10:18
But I ask: Did they not hear? Of course they did: "Their voice has gone out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world."
Whether missionaries added on to the word of God or not...doesn't mean every Christian who responded to the gospels ,hasn't had the opportunity to ' test the spirits' as we are commanded.
You confuse two issues..that the gospels have gone out into all the earth as scripture says..and the other which men have added or taken away from his word in every denomination.
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. The message was the good news of the Kingdom.. The object is to incite others to want to draw closer to God.. That seed ..can be planted by various religions.. they may not literally teach ..all these people ..nor ..will the people be privy to everything a Church teaches..but if they have had their hearts turned toward GOD and his Son.. well then... The seed has been planted.. If that seed get's one to read the bible.. Then the teaching will come..from there... Jesus..has said he will reside with those that put faith in him.. THAT.. is something ..that seems to be forgotten .. Yet..where was the ethopian Eunuch refered to understand the scriptures... TO CHRIST.. not men.
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<quoted text>ok, so you have a different viewpiont of Armageddon when it will occur, you see two Armageddons, one after the GT and one after the thousand years. I thought there was only one.
No there is only one Armageddon..that is when the nations come up over the breadth of the earth to surround the beloved camp, and fire comes out of heaven and destroys them...that is after Satan is let out of his prison.

You have muddled it up with the great tribulation, that starts with the fall of Babylon the Great.

For when Jesus returns he repays tribulation on those who caused tribulation for his people...and those who sit on thrones to judge the nations with him..' dash them to pieces with an iron rod'
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One word, one word has fanned the fear of death to a fever pitch in so many foolish people that are to busy trying to make sure that they personally survive for them to bother to learn to Love one another .

If you want an Armageddon look up to the skies. There are whole galaxies that can be observed crashing into each other as I type this.

The Armageddon scheduled by the Jehovah's Witnesses though here on Earth had to be canceled once again due to unforeseen circumstances.

But with the aid of modern computers it shouldn't take the governing body of the church very long to come up with another date!

But keep your ascension robes just in case. With all these groups based on failed prophecies being so prosperous the Millerites just might want to make a comeback :)
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True Christian witness wrote:
The individual conscience is a persons guide to guilt or innocence, evidently the decisions you made for your life have caused you to become a victim of guilt.
Isaiah 48:17,18
p.s. About miscalculated predictions of Jehovah's witnesses, certain people did misinterpret stated prophecy to their own understanding, just as the apostles and early Christians did, we are all imperfect.
That fact does not alter the prophecy, it will happen.
The end of this world is very close in time, and anyone who wants to remain alive, must be an active publisher of the good news that God's Kingdom is going to stop all ungodliness on this earth. 2Peter 3:7
"The end of this world is very close in time..."

Is it as close as it was in 1914? Closer maybe??? Lol!!!!!

It MAY happen, but it certainly has NOTHING to do with JW's distinctly unbiblical prophetical rantings.

AND, anyone who wants to "remain alive" need not worry about keeping a time card that is filed in a Kingdom Hall.

God will do what he does, no need for false statements from a false religion that uses fear and hate to keep it's adherents in line and donating money. God is LOVE, not a timekeeper.

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The Real Karen wrote:
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I have no guilt, I am a true Christian now who gives her life to the Lord and not to an organization. Read the bible to see once one Jehovah and Jesus would approve of. When I was baptized, I was baptized into the name of The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, both as a JW and as a Baptist. I was not baptized into the organization of JWs as you probably were, nor was I baptized into the religion of Baptist.
The GB aka F&DS called Harold Camping a false prophet in the Feb 2012 Watchtower for setting dates of Armageddon, when they had done the very same thing. If they miscalculate, why couldn't Harold Camping miscalculate as well? Why call him a false prophet when he did the exact same thing they have done now for 130 and more? Of course it does not alter the prophecy, but it will happen in Gods time, not the GB aka F&DS or any other false prophet who wishes to take a guess at it.
The Lord wants everyone to be saved, not just a few who call themselves JW's.
2 Peter 3:9
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Yes, I do believe the end is close, everything about our world today is pointing to it. God is being removed from everything and religions are turning away from God and to themselves. We are living in a modern day Sodom and Gomorrah. Belonging to any religion or organization will not save us, but giving our life to the Lord is what will. Telling others of what is to come, and then what is to come after that is what we are to do. We are not to tell them to come to a religion, or organization, but to come to Jesus Christ.
2 Peter 3:18
18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.
According to the Bible, the true Christian congregation is "built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone" (Ephe. 2:20). The books of Acts , as well as all the NT, teach that those who became Christians were associated with 1 Congregation. Those baptized in the name of the Father (Jehovah God), the Son (Jesus Christ) and the holy spirit were associated with the Christian congregation and were active in speaking the truth, being Witnesses of Jehovah God and his Son Jesus Christ (Acts chapter 2, Acts Acts 3:12-15; Acts 5:18-30; Acts 5:42; Acts 20:20, 21). True they were dedicated to Jehovah God and believed that Jesus was the Head of the Congregation. But Jesus was not the head of multiple churches, that really don't know who the One True God, the Father is, nor who is Son is, the One Sent by the Father.
Unlike, the WT, Harold Camping claims to have the gift of prophecy. Therefore, that evangelical preacher and self-proclaimed prophet is a false prophet. Witnesses, since the time of Russell, have taught that they do not have the gift of prophecy. Russell himself wrote that his chronology is not infallible, and subject to error. And while he was confident 1914 marked the end of gentiles and was date marked in the scriptures, he also wrote that it whether or not the church would be glorified that year or not would not waver...even if it takes a hundred more years for the end to come.

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. Jehovah witnesses don't teach.. they make statements ..point blank and the members either Obey ..believe .. OR they are deemed to lack spirituality.. not doing enough.. or obviously have sins they are hiding.. As far as teaching Jehovah's requirement.. When are you taught that you are to show love for your neighbor??? A sentence in passing??.. on to get out there and waste your life on.. not at homes and not interested people.. Seems like you could find something that is a bit more productive to do with the time allotted you.. But no..your trained to be a wt salesman..and you damn well better tow the line... Some day..hopefully you'll wake up and realize that you frittered your life away and cow towing to men ...not GOD..men. Like in... YOU MUST OBEY GOD AS RULER>>RATHER THEN MEN... hello.. this scripture is never applied to themselves... As they...think they are GOD.
Your comments make no sense to me. If they are making a statement, then there has to be a teaching behind that statement. For instance, when the WT publications quote the statement of Jesus Christ, when he said "No man comes to Father except through me", the FD&S is quoting the Bible, and is quoting a statement from Jesus. And they teach that "no man comes to Father except through" Jesus. All of the teachings of the FD&S is based on the Bible, and they quote from the Bible. Interesting, I recently read an article, written by a non-Witness, who criticizes that Witnesses in some part of his article, but he goes on to say that the Witnesses probably use the Bible more than any other Christian group. The true Christian congregation teaching are based in the Bible, and that is what the WT uses is their yardstick to teach the truth. Why do you think the WT publications are always urging people, both Witnesses and non-Witnesses, to read their Bible every day? At least two surveys that I have come across, including a Pew survey, indicate that Jehovah's Christian Witnesses have the highest percentage of those who read the Bible on a daily basis, when compared to other groups. We are a Bible based group, upholding true Christianity, as taught in the Bible.
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Your comments make no sense to me. If they are making a statement, then there has to be a teaching behind that statement. For instance, when the WT publications quote the statement of Jesus Christ, when he said "No man comes to Father except through me", the FD&S is quoting the Bible, and is quoting a statement from Jesus. And they teach that "no man comes to Father except through" Jesus. All of the teachings of the FD&S is based on the Bible, and they quote from the Bible. Interesting, I recently read an article, written by a non-Witness, who criticizes that Witnesses in some part of his article, but he goes on to say that the Witnesses probably use the Bible more than any other Christian group. The true Christian congregation teaching are based in the Bible, and that is what the WT uses is their yardstick to teach the truth. Why do you think the WT publications are always urging people, both Witnesses and non-Witnesses, to read their Bible every day? At least two surveys that I have come across, including a Pew survey, indicate that Jehovah's Christian Witnesses have the highest percentage of those who read the Bible on a daily basis, when compared to other groups. We are a Bible based group, upholding true Christianity, as taught in the Bible.
You jw idots have been preachin the end for over a hundred years now.The end is coming for the wt org that is.Yes indeed with all the child molestation settelments and blood law suites they are doomed my friend.DOOMED!!! I TELL YA!!!!!Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha !!!!!!!
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Every time JWs speak about the future they get it wrong. It is not just the end of the world they constantly get wrong but anything where they guess what is going to happen on the world stage. Why would anyone in their right mind put any faith in such an organisation.
Yes Correct living in the Future is not living. Its a dream imagining how good things will be at some future date.
You can only live in the present and there is no escape from this.
Any future when it arrives will be the now, with all the same problems.
to spend the "now" yearning for a future that never arrives is to waste our lives. Think of all the now Dead people who spent their lives waiting for a paradise A fools paradise
One that never arrives
The'll tell you its comming soon, no more dates.just soon, but the only thing certian for all of us is death not paradise.
and as people get older they often see they have been deluding themselves. everything lives dies and changes We see it wtih our own eyes. Thats the real truth!
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What was it like to believe that the world would end before you'd reached adulthood?

I was a very serious little boy and took the Jehovah's Witnesses seriously. It was frightening to be brought up in this belief and to realise I had to do my best to be perfect, so that I'd be among the chosen ones when the end came.

Everything went wrong quite a few years before 1975 though. When my mother was sectioned, we were thrown out of the faith. We were led to believe that only families who had a strong patriarch at their helm were eligible to be chosen but dad refused to have anything to do with the Jehovah's Witnesses, So we felt we were damned anyway.

You were 16 in 1975. Did you still believe the end was imminent?

By 1975, I had largely come to realise that it was all rubbish. All about money, power and religious oppression. But there was still a part of me that was keyed in to those beliefs.

How did you feel when the end never came?

My feelings were mixed. What had happened to my mother in the mental health system left me very depressed, so a big part of me was looking forward to it all ending. I didn't move forward easily. I became very lost and pretty mentally ill and stayed in that state for most of my twenties.

There's part of me that's never quite come to terms with the fact that the world didn't end in 1975.

Knitting Time's main theme is psychosis. What's your personal experience of this?

I don't think psychosis is necessarily a bad thing. It's common for toddlers to have imaginary friends and night visions, to see things that aren't there.

I had that facility to a greater degree than most. I remember vividly seeing things at night time like a lion treading up the stairs or a man dressed in an archetypal burglar outfit, swag-bag on back.

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Your comments make no sense to me. If they are making a statement, then there has to be a teaching behind that statement. For instance, when the WT publications quote the statement of Jesus Christ, when he said "No man comes to Father except through me", the FD&S is quoting the Bible, and is quoting a statement from Jesus. And they teach that "no man comes to Father except through" Jesus. All of the teachings of the FD&S is based on the Bible, and they quote from the Bible. Interesting, I recently read an article, written by a non-Witness, who criticizes that Witnesses in some part of his article, but he goes on to say that the Witnesses probably use the Bible more than any other Christian group. The true Christian congregation teaching are based in the Bible, and that is what the WT uses is their yardstick to teach the truth. Why do you think the WT publications are always urging people, both Witnesses and non-Witnesses, to read their Bible every day? At least two surveys that I have come across, including a Pew survey, indicate that Jehovah's Christian Witnesses have the highest percentage of those who read the Bible on a daily basis, when compared to other groups. We are a Bible based group, upholding true Christianity, as taught in the Bible.
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.they tell you to read the bible,,.
but if you discern what is being taught is wrong then your accused of being apostate...heaven forbid if a normal every day person does not accept the Wts. written word as Gospel.. a survey.. Oyi! are you gullible.

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David777 wrote:
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Your comments make no sense to me. If they are making a statement, then there has to be a teaching behind that statement. For instance, when the WT publications quote the statement of Jesus Christ, when he said "No man comes to Father except through me", the FD&S is quoting the Bible, and is quoting a statement from Jesus. And they teach that "no man comes to Father except through" Jesus. All of the teachings of the FD&S is based on the Bible, and they quote from the Bible. Interesting, I recently read an article, written by a non-Witness, who criticizes that Witnesses in some part of his article, but he goes on to say that the Witnesses probably use the Bible more than any other Christian group. The true Christian congregation teaching are based in the Bible, and that is what the WT uses is their yardstick to teach the truth. Why do you think the WT publications are always urging people, both Witnesses and non-Witnesses, to read their Bible every day? At least two surveys that I have come across, including a Pew survey, indicate that Jehovah's Christian Witnesses have the highest percentage of those who read the Bible on a daily basis, when compared to other groups. We are a Bible based group, upholding true Christianity, as taught in the Bible.
David they may well read the bible more than many others, but witnesses cannot read it without always going to the Watchtower for an interpretation of something they don't understand. In fact the society say you can't understand the bible without their help.

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