Russia bans JW.org
JW-CO

Denver, CO

#64 Jan 23, 2014
UNchained wrote:
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Where can I find "earthly organization" in the Bible?
Where can I find "overlapping generations" in the Bible?
Where can I find "Christianity restored" in the Bible?
Where can I find "governing body" in the Bible?
Where can I find "faith in an organisation" in the Bible (March 1, 1979 Watchtower page 12)?
IT is NOT IN the Bible.
You are being deceived and you are deceiving others with the deceit that you have believed.
Do you really want to know? Jw.org and use of the wol.jw.org websites. Sorry to be a wiseguy but I'm sure you've already looked to the research tools there and vehemently disagree.

Where in the world do you find Christian neutrality no matter what land?

Where do you find a group of people that care to share a positive message and show answers to problems people are having in their daily lives? Doing so for one reason, we love Jehovah and we actively preach and use his name as all should know him.

Where do you find individuals who proclaim a coming kingdom of Jehovah which we all obedient mankind can benefit from? All have an opportunity to know him now.

Where do you find ones who focus their lives to doing Jehovah's will by living lives free of sexual immortality, drunkenness and drug use, stealing, lying, killing?

Where do you find an Org that is solely funded by voluntary donations with one focus overall, preaching and declaring God's kingdom and name?

Where on a grand earthwide scale do you see an organization determined to translate bibles and literature in every tongue and dialect? Advances by the jw.org site have aided this endeavor so much more and at no cost.

Where do you find an organization of imperfect humans who try to maintain organizational cleanliness down to each individual?

Where do you find genuine unity and refreshment from a world caught up in pleasing themselves?

Call me what you will. I love Jehovah and will do my all to remain faithful and loyal to him regardless of whether I understand every piece of the Scriptures or not. He is patient with me and will continue to allow me to understand things that I may not have in years past.

“Paradise Earth”

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#65 Jan 24, 2014
RedhorseWoman wrote:
Yes, and she thinks that Scientology is wonderful as well.
In what way?

As far as I have been able to discover she has only done an impartial study of the sociological effects of minority religions - like Scientologists.

I don't see her endorsing the BELIEFS of any religion in particular. She only seems to comment on the sociological impact of the religions.

The Russian Orthodox Church, likes to brand minority religions as "dangerous cults" as a means or turning the government against them. Same thing you people do to Jehovah's Witnesses.

From what I can see all Yekerterina is saying is that Scientology upbringing doesn't appear to harm people any more then mainstream upbringing does.
FutureMan

Australia

#66 Jan 24, 2014
Aneirin wrote:
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The Russian Orthodox Church, likes to brand minority religions as "dangerous cults" as a means or turning the government against them. Same thing you people do to Jehovah's Witnesses.
The organization in turn likes to brand the likes of us as "mentally diseased" so go figure.

They have certainly shot many a fiery missile at their religious opponents, in the past and brought heaps of persecution upon themselves as a result.

You cannot poke a beehive with a stick and expect to come away unscathed.
Ex-JW

Saint Augustine, FL

#67 Jan 24, 2014
Aneirin wrote:
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In what way?
As far as I have been able to discover she has only done an impartial study of the sociological effects of minority religions - like Scientologists.
I don't see her endorsing the BELIEFS of any religion in particular. She only seems to comment on the sociological impact of the religions.
The Russian Orthodox Church, likes to brand minority religions as "dangerous cults" as a means or turning the government against them. Same thing you people do to Jehovah's Witnesses.
From what I can see all Yekerterina is saying is that Scientology upbringing doesn't appear to harm people any more then mainstream upbringing does.
Ameirin says ****a means or turning the government against them. Same thing you people do to Jehovah's Witnesses.*****

Aneirin also said that the WBTS joined the Calfornia Court against the ministry of Jimmy Swaggart.

So the WBTS ride the beast against Christendom ? Go figure ?

Once again the issue here is very clear. The WBTS has a right to fight for all the freedoms to practice and preach their religion. However, they are being exposed as hypocritical for denying these SAME RIGHTS for anyone who leaves their organizations.

Calling those who leave on the grounds of scripture and conscience as apostate, and mentally diseased is bad enough but to order JW family members to cut them off in against all civil liberties, never mind Christian compassion and love !

Shalom :)

“Paradise Earth”

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#68 Jan 24, 2014
Ex-JW wrote:
Aneirin also said that the WBTS joined the Calfornia Court against the ministry of Jimmy Swaggart.
That's not true. I never said that.

The WBTS actually stated that they were neither for, nor against Swaggart. They remained neutral.
Ex-JW

Saint Augustine, FL

#69 Jan 24, 2014
For the those who casually come to this site, here is the REASON the Russian government want JW.org blocked...

http://en.ria.ru/russia/20140113/186483 ... emist.html

MOSCOW, January 13 (RIA Novosti)– A Russian court has declared brochures produced by the Jehovah’s Witnesses to be extremist, the Prosecutor General’s Office said Monday.
The court in the southern city of Kurgan ruled that four pamphlets published by the Christian evangelical sect were discriminatory against people who did not belong to the organization.

The booklets were titled “How to Achieve Happiness in Life,”“What Can People Hope For?”“How to Develop a Close Relationship With God,” and “What You Need to Know About God and His Meaning.”

The prosecutor’s office said that analyses by linguistic experts had concluded that the brochures contained propaganda that promoted the superiority of the Jehovah’s Witnesses and denigrated other faiths as false.

Jehovah’s Witnesses claims more than 7 million followers worldwide, including more than 130,000 in Russia. The religious group frequently faces pressure from Russian authorities for its beliefs and has been banned in a number of regions, as well as in some former Soviet republics.

A Moscow court ordered the dissolution of the local branch of the Jehovah’s Witnesses in 2004 and banned its activities amid allegations that the community was brainwashing children and breaking up families through its teachings.

The European Court of Human Rights ruled that the decision was unlawful in 2010 and ordered Russia to pay 70,000 euro ($95,000) in damages.
Russian courts declared numerous publications by Jehovah’s Witnesses to be extremist in 2009.

“Paradise Earth”

Since: Sep 11

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#70 Jan 24, 2014
Ex-JW wrote:
Once again the issue here is very clear. The WBTS has a right to fight for all the freedoms to practice and preach their religion. However, they are being exposed as hypocritical for denying these SAME RIGHTS for anyone who leaves their organizations.
That's obviously not at all true. People who leave Jehovah's Witnesses are free to practice and preach any religion they choose.
Ex-JW wrote:
Calling those who leave on the grounds of scripture and conscience as apostate, and mentally diseased is bad enough...
That's not what happens. They call apostates who become "false teachers" and try to destroy the Christian faith of Jehovah's Witnesses "mentally diseased" because that is what the Bible says.
Ex-JW wrote:
but to order JW family members to cut them off in against all civil liberties, never mind Christian compassion and love !
Again what you say is not true. They do not "order" any such thing. But they do give SCRIPTURAL ADVICE to similar effect. It remains, however, up to the family members how much or little contact to have.
Ex-JW

Saint Augustine, FL

#71 Jan 24, 2014
Aneirin wrote:
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That's not true. I never said that.
The WBTS actually stated that they were neither for, nor against Swaggart. They remained neutral.
They filed "FRIEND of The court" did they NOT ?

Is not this riding the beast for their own ends ?!....

They did not putting faith in Jehovah alone. Israel was condemned for putting trust in governments and NOT Jehovah ALONE !

Shalom :)

“Paradise Earth”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#72 Jan 24, 2014
Ex-JW wrote:
For the those who casually come to this site, here is the REASON the Russian government want JW.org blocked...
http://en.ria.ru/russia/20140113/186483 ... emist.html
MOSCOW, January 13 (RIA Novosti)– A Russian court has declared brochures produced by the Jehovah’s Witnesses to be extremist, the Prosecutor General’s Office said Monday.
The court in the southern city of Kurgan ruled that four pamphlets published by the Christian evangelical sect were discriminatory against people who did not belong to the organization.
The booklets were titled “How to Achieve Happiness in Life,”“What Can People Hope For?”“How to Develop a Close Relationship With God,” and “What You Need to Know About God and His Meaning.”
The prosecutor’s office said that analyses by linguistic experts had concluded that the brochures contained propaganda that promoted the superiority of the Jehovah’s Witnesses and denigrated other faiths as false.
Jehovah’s Witnesses claims more than 7 million followers worldwide, including more than 130,000 in Russia. The religious group frequently faces pressure from Russian authorities for its beliefs and has been banned in a number of regions, as well as in some former Soviet republics.
A Moscow court ordered the dissolution of the local branch of the Jehovah’s Witnesses in 2004 and banned its activities amid allegations that the community was brainwashing children and breaking up families through its teachings.
The European Court of Human Rights ruled that the decision was unlawful in 2010 and ordered Russia to pay 70,000 euro ($95,000) in damages.
Russian courts declared numerous publications by Jehovah’s Witnesses to be extremist in 2009.
Basically because Jehovah's Witnesses say that the Russian Orthodox church is a false religion they are branded as "dangerous extremists".

Put that in your freedom-of-speech and smoke it!!!

Can you believe that?

“Paradise Earth”

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#73 Jan 24, 2014
Ex-JW wrote:
They filed "FRIEND of The court" did they NOT ?
They did. But the court was not prosecuting Swaggart. The court is impartial. It was the local government that was prosecuting Swaggart.

The "friend of the court" filing explicitly states that the WTS remained neutral taking neither side.
Ex-JW wrote:
Is not this riding the beast for their own ends ?!....
No it is not. Symbolically "riding the beast" represents political control. It has nothing whatsoever to do with using the legal system.
Ex-JW wrote:
They did not putting faith in Jehovah alone. Israel was condemned for putting trust in governments and NOT Jehovah ALONE !
Shalom :)
Apostle Paul was not condemned for appealing to Caesar for help. Are you going to accuse Apostle Paul of not putting faith in Jehovah alone?

Clearly your understanding of the Bible is wrong.

Putting faith in Jehovah alone means adhering to his instructions. Well Apostle Paul made it very clear that appealing to the LEGAL SYSTEM of the government is very much in keeping with Jehovah's purpose.

It is POLITICAL involvement that equates to "going down to Egypt" or turning to the worldly political system for help rather than Jehovah. That is a totally different scenario.
Ex-JW

Saint Augustine, FL

#74 Jan 24, 2014
Aneirin wrote:
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Basically because Jehovah's Witnesses say that the Russian Orthodox church is a false religion they are branded as "dangerous extremists".
Put that in your freedom-of-speech and smoke it!!!
Can you believe that?
*****because Jehovah's Witnesses say that the Russian Orthodox church is a false religion they are branded as "dangerous extremists".

They were considered EXTREMISTS ...show me where it says "dangerous extremists"

Freedom of speech does NOT allow one to shout FIRE in a packed cinema to cause panic and possible death.

Free of speech and all freedoms comes with blessings and responsibilities.,
The WBTS has abused this freedom in their judgement on all religions and denial of basic civil liberties for their own members, subsequently they are reaping a whirl wind of back lash from their hate filled propaganda as outlined in the reason why the Russian government took this action.

Shalom :)
Ex-JW

Saint Augustine, FL

#75 Jan 24, 2014
Aneirin may not understand freedom of speech, considering he thinks it's ok for the WBTS to judge all others as false Christians ....

Shouting fire in a "crowded theater" is a popular metaphor for speech or actions made for the principal purpose of creating unnecessary panic. The phrase is a paraphrasing of Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.'s opinion in the United States Supreme Court case Schenck v. United States in 1919, which held that the defendant's speech in opposition to the draft during World War I was not protected free speech under the First Amendment of the United States Constitution.....

The paraphrasing does not generally include the word "falsely", i.e., "falsely shouting fire in a crowded theater", which was the original wording used in Holmes's opinion and highlights that speech which is dangerous and false.

“Paradise Earth”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#76 Jan 24, 2014
Ex-JW wrote:
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*****because Jehovah's Witnesses say that the Russian Orthodox church is a false religion they are branded as "dangerous extremists".
They were considered EXTREMISTS ...show me where it says "dangerous extremists"
Freedom of speech does NOT allow one to shout FIRE in a packed cinema to cause panic and possible death.
Free of speech and all freedoms comes with blessings and responsibilities.,
The WBTS has abused this freedom in their judgement on all religions and denial of basic civil liberties for their own members, subsequently they are reaping a whirl wind of back lash from their hate filled propaganda as outlined in the reason why the Russian government took this action.
Shalom :)
READERS Ex-JW is arguing that it is wrong to say that another religion is false.

HOWEVER he comes here every day saying that Jehovah's Witnesses are a false religion.

What does that make him?

“Paradise Earth”

Since: Sep 11

Location hidden

#77 Jan 24, 2014
Ex-JW wrote:
Aneirin may not understand freedom of speech, considering he thinks it's ok for the WBTS to judge all others as false Christians ....
Shouting fire in a "crowded theater" is a popular metaphor for speech or actions made for the principal purpose of creating unnecessary panic. The phrase is a paraphrasing of Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.'s opinion in the United States Supreme Court case Schenck v. United States in 1919, which held that the defendant's speech in opposition to the draft during World War I was not protected free speech under the First Amendment of the United States Constitution.....
The paraphrasing does not generally include the word "falsely", i.e., "falsely shouting fire in a crowded theater", which was the original wording used in Holmes's opinion and highlights that speech which is dangerous and false.
Unbelievable.

Mr Ex-JW is actually trying to equate telling people that their religion is false with shouting "FIRE" in a crowded cinema!!!!

Yet he comes here every day telling the world that Jehovah's Witnesses are a false religion. Wow.

So why is Mr Ex-JW trying to make this ridiculous comparison? because he wants to argue that Jehovah's Witnesses should not be allowed to say another religion is false and he wants to pretend that he still believes in free speech.

To do that he is trying to characterize telling other people that their religion is false as something that does not qualify for "free speech" in the same way that saying something that puts people's lives in immediate danger through panic doesn't qualify as "free speach".

Yet he comes here every day telling people that Jehovah's Witnesses are a false religion.

What he REALLY wants is to be able to tell people who he thinks are a false religion but he doesn't want others to say exactly the same thing about him.

Clearly Mr Ex-JW is a hypocrite of the first order. Why would we expect any different from one who has rejected Jehovah.

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#78 Jan 24, 2014
Aneirin wrote:
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That's not true. I never said that.
The WBTS actually stated that they were neither for, nor against Swaggart. They remained neutral.
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. They probably didn't ..but what they did was tuck tail and run ..to change their sales to look like they don't receive money for said Books and Mag.. And yet.. Many of us were there ..and many know that we were instructed to ( IN the form of a donation.. Pay ..the fee that we normally would have paid for said articles ) Thus.. being drawn into the lie that WTS.. chose to use to not be taxed for the sale of books or mags.. Not neutral..but liars.. WHAT does the Bible say about those that lie ?? And don't give me Theocratic warfare.. As that is a concept perpetrated by the WTS...and not sanctioned by the scriptures.
Dr Shrink

Baltimore, MD

#79 Jan 24, 2014
UNchained wrote:
<quoted text>
Where can I find "earthly organization" in the Bible?
Where can I find "overlapping generations" in the Bible?
Where can I find "Christianity restored" in the Bible?
Where can I find "governing body" in the Bible?
Where can I find "faith in an organisation" in the Bible (March 1, 1979 Watchtower page 12)?
IT is NOT IN the Bible.
You are being deceived and you are deceiving others with the deceit that you have believed.
Nowhere
it is only in those minds who control stupid people like JW,
and brain washed fanatics follow them
Ex-JW

Saint Augustine, FL

#80 Jan 24, 2014
Aneirin wrote:
<quoted text>
Unbelievable.
Mr Ex-JW is actually trying to equate telling people that their religion is false with shouting "FIRE" in a crowded cinema!!!!
Yet he comes here every day telling the world that Jehovah's Witnesses are a false religion. Wow.
So why is Mr Ex-JW trying to make this ridiculous comparison? because he wants to argue that Jehovah's Witnesses should not be allowed to say another religion is false and he wants to pretend that he still believes in free speech.
To do that he is trying to characterize telling other people that their religion is false as something that does not qualify for "free speech" in the same way that saying something that puts people's lives in immediate danger through panic doesn't qualify as "free speach".
Yet he comes here every day telling people that Jehovah's Witnesses are a false religion.
What he REALLY wants is to be able to tell people who he thinks are a false religion but he doesn't want others to say exactly the same thing about him.
Clearly Mr Ex-JW is a hypocrite of the first order. Why would we expect any different from one who has rejected Jehovah.
I never use the terms "false religion" I always show the wheat and the weeds are together in what you call Christendom. I argue that the 1914 gospel is NOT the original gospel that is taught in the Christian Greek scriptures and expose all the date settings and speculation of the WBTS that is used as proof that they are the ONLY channel used by God. I challenge their claim to that authority and object to their condemnations of all other Christians and the abuse of their flock.

As regards your eternal judgement and the leaders that you blindly follow, I submit that to the only one qualified that has that right and that divine quality of cardiognosis.

Scriptures show that we should NOT slander others and judge others as being false Christian as stated by James in chapter 4:
Brothers and sisters, do not slander one another. Anyone who speaks against a brother or sister or judges them speaks against the law and judges it. When you judge the law, you are not keeping it, but sitting in judgment on it. 12 There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But you—who are you to judge your neighbor?

However, we are admonished to put up a good fight of the faith as specified in Jude 1
felt compelled to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to God’s holy people.

The difference between you and I is that I debate scripture and leave the judgement of the individual to Christ Jesus ...based on the principle in scripture as follows: Jude 1
But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not himself dare to condemn him for slander but said, "The Lord rebuke you!

You however and your leadership prejudge every Christian not a JW, as being a false Christian, those who leave as apostates and mentally diseased.
You and your leadership dictate the meaning of all scripture to be obeyed on penalty of death as they have glorified themselves as God's mouth piece on earth.

The fact that you can see the difference, and continue your argument with ad hominems just shows your overall spirit of arrogance and judgmental attitude, the image, induced by your leadership, and not the image bearer of God.

Blessings and Christ's love your way :)
Ex-JW

Saint Augustine, FL

#81 Jan 24, 2014
Correction to comment to Aneirin

The fact that you CAN'T see the difference,

“Paradise Earth”

Since: Sep 11

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#82 Jan 24, 2014
Ex-JW wrote:
<quoted text>
I never use the terms "false religion" I always show the wheat and the weeds are together in what you call Christendom. I argue that the 1914 gospel is NOT the original gospel that is taught in the Christian Greek scriptures and expose all the date settings and speculation of the WBTS that is used as proof that they are the ONLY channel used by God. I challenge their claim to that authority and object to their condemnations of all other Christians and the abuse of their flock.
As regards your eternal judgement and the leaders that you blindly follow, I submit that to the only one qualified that has that right and that divine quality of cardiognosis.
Scriptures show that we should NOT slander others and judge others as being false Christian as stated by James in chapter 4:
Brothers and sisters, do not slander one another. Anyone who speaks against a brother or sister or judges them speaks against the law and judges it. When you judge the law, you are not keeping it, but sitting in judgment on it. 12 There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But you—who are you to judge your neighbor?
However, we are admonished to put up a good fight of the faith as specified in Jude 1
felt compelled to write and urge you to contend for the faith that was once for all entrusted to God’s holy people.
The difference between you and I is that I debate scripture and leave the judgement of the individual to Christ Jesus ...based on the principle in scripture as follows: Jude 1
But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not himself dare to condemn him for slander but said, "The Lord rebuke you!
You however and your leadership prejudge every Christian not a JW, as being a false Christian, those who leave as apostates and mentally diseased.
You and your leadership dictate the meaning of all scripture to be obeyed on penalty of death as they have glorified themselves as God's mouth piece on earth.
The fact that you can see the difference, and continue your argument with ad hominems just shows your overall spirit of arrogance and judgmental attitude, the image, induced by your leadership, and not the image bearer of God.
Blessings and Christ's love your way :)
So when are you going to stop judging/slandering Jehovah's Witnesses?
Ex-JW

Saint Augustine, FL

#83 Jan 24, 2014
Aneirin wrote:
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So when are you going to stop judging/slandering Jehovah's Witnesses?
Please show me where I did that ?

Are you going to continue to support a religion that slanders all outside of their fellowship ?

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