allow me to scare jws
Daniel a Slave of Christ

Rockport, TX

#21 Dec 29, 2012
WTS member earn their salvation by a mixture of Old Law principles mixed into the new covenant. However, mislead as they are a person could not earn salvation by keeping the Old Law, the Old condemned them of being a sinner, it did not declare a person righteous. For this reason the Jews must put faith in the innocent blood of an animal God gave them as a gift of mercy for remission of their sin as not keeping the law. Salvation for a Jew came through the blood, point and purpose of the first pass-over.

No Christian's can put away the filth of their flesh by commandment,s not even the WTS teachings, a person is filth of the flesh unless they accept the blood of Christ Jesus. God than passover that person sins, not that they have cleaned themselves enough to be acceptable to God.

1 Peter 3:21 This is a symbol of baptism, which now saves you--not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

JW's are self-righteous thinking they can save themselves by WTS works, they believe such obedience to the so called faithful slave, Christ upon earth, makes them clean. Their mediator is the GB upon earth as Christ Jesus for them, they receive the blood of Christ by proxy through the clean teachings of the WTS GB.

This is why a person can be killed spiritually for not keeping the policy of the WTS and name cast out as wicked, such as lying posting on a forum like this is a very serious matter for a WTS member.
Subsequently, the law did not make a Jew clean, the laws of the WTS do not make a person clean, it is the gift of the blood God gives too all putting faith in His love for mankind by sending His Son to die for our unrighteousness the filth of our flesh.

Read: Putting Away The Filth of Flesh
http://jwsstraighttalk.squarespace.com/discus...

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#22 Dec 29, 2012
We must endure to the end to be saved. It is conditional. GOD keeps his word, its up to us to keep ours.

Since: Dec 12

United States

#23 Dec 29, 2012
Nomi wrote:
We must endure to the end to be saved. It is conditional. GOD keeps his word, its up to us to keep ours.
Show me the scripture. That mentality completely nullifies" a free gift".
sick of the cult

Marlinton, WV

#24 Dec 29, 2012
Don't let them twist scripture and rob you of current salvation. Salvation can be enjoyed in this life, not at some future date when we take our last breath and may have done enough to satisfy the borg.

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Since: Dec 07

central louisiana

#25 Dec 29, 2012
Nomi wrote:
We must endure to the end to be saved. It is conditional. GOD keeps his word, its up to us to keep ours.
IHV BUT TO ENDURE TO THE END YOU MUST FIRST KNOW YOU ARE SAVED.. at least thats what john tells us..

NOMI, DO YOU know you have eternal life? if not then something is very wrong.. YOU SEE I KNOW I HAVE ETERNAL LIFE.. no amt of garbage will ever change that fact...

YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN.. nomi if not YOU will never enter or even see this kingdom you long for .. JESUS SAID THAT NOT I
will

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Since: Dec 07

central louisiana

#26 Dec 29, 2012
Kushtika wrote:
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Show me the scripture. That mentality completely nullifies" a free gift".
IHV THEY DONT know what a free gift is.. they have to work to satisfy the society to gain salvation..
also another of their teachingsl.>>>> you have to prove to be DESERVING of UNDESERVED kindness..(somewheres in wt world )
will

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Since: Dec 07

central louisiana

#27 Dec 29, 2012
sick of the cult wrote:
Don't let them twist scripture and rob you of current salvation. Salvation can be enjoyed in this life, not at some future date when we take our last breath and may have done enough to satisfy the borg.
IHV i have looked many a jw in the eye and asked them why should i give up a free salvation where JESUS paid for my sins to join a religion that judged my salvation on works.. in other words how many books i place in a lifetime..

one thing for sure if i am wrong i am just either gone or god in his mercy will give me the same second chance he gives to jws who didnt really put out enough work.. BUT IF I AM CORRECT eternity awaits them and hell is never full
will
sick of the cult

Marlinton, WV

#28 Dec 29, 2012
ihveit wrote:
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IHV i have looked many a jw in the eye and asked them why should i give up a free salvation where JESUS paid for my sins to join a religion that judged my salvation on works.. in other words how many books i place in a lifetime..
one thing for sure if i am wrong i am just either gone or god in his mercy will give me the same second chance he gives to jws who didnt really put out enough work.. BUT IF I AM CORRECT eternity awaits them and hell is never full
will
You preach truth brother-keep it up

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#29 Dec 29, 2012
Scriptures on endurance. Luke 21:10...Matt.24:13...Eph.6:3.. .Romans 15:4. No such thing as "once saved, always saved"...otherwise there would be no need to be concerned about enduring. A person could go and do anything they choose, and still be saved, according to that notion. Nope, enduring is an ongoing process....or a "work in progress".

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Since: Dec 07

central louisiana

#30 Dec 29, 2012
Nomi wrote:
Scriptures on endurance. Luke 21:10...Matt.24:13...Eph.6:3.. .Romans 15:4. No such thing as "once saved, always saved"...otherwise there would be no need to be concerned about enduring. A person could go and do anything they choose, and still be saved, according to that notion. Nope, enduring is an ongoing process....or a "work in progress".
ihv first off when one is truly saved they dont want to sin any longer... judge me by my fruits.. and righteous judgemen..

your reasoning falls apart on several issues but lets look at two of them.. if one is a child of god he may make it all the way to the hog pin but one day he will return.. but in the meantime, remember this verse:
1co 5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
this i know was dealing with fornication but i believe it applies to all sin...

then we have this one..
2ti 1:12 For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day.

in feb 88 we gave out lives to CHRIST asking him to forgive us our sins... HE ANSWERED.. he gave me a new heart towards GOD..

thats something your religion wotn teach and they cant take away from us..

when it comes to this preachers never question me.. nor chasten me if i happen to do something they think is wrong...

remember i am a sinner as you are.. the difference is I AM SAVED BY GRACE APART FROM WORKS.. you have to try to earn yours...
will

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Since: Dec 07

central louisiana

#31 Dec 29, 2012
nomi you worship god out of fear.. i worship him for who he is.. the fear i have is in the fact that i may disobey him.. not because i have to peddle mags..

this is somethign YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND because you have never experienced it... to my knowledge i have never told a jw to leave the org... but i have pointed them to salvation.. MANY TIMES..

i wish you could look at it this way
will
sick of the cult

Marlinton, WV

#32 Dec 29, 2012
Nomi wrote:
Scriptures on endurance. Luke 21:10...Matt.24:13...Eph.6:3.. .Romans 15:4. No such thing as "once saved, always saved"...otherwise there would be no need to be concerned about enduring. A person could go and do anything they choose, and still be saved, according to that notion. Nope, enduring is an ongoing process....or a "work in progress".
Nomi, I am not Calvinistic in my theology. I believe "no one can snatch you out of the Father's hand"- but you can choose to walk away like the prodigal son left his father to live a self-willed life. where i take exception with your belief is as JWs you have been led to believe you must "do" certain things to be worthy of some future day of salvation. If you don't witness enough, attend enough meetings, place enough books, etc you will miss out-God won't like you. The WT has made you a "human doing"instead of a "human being." The words of a hymn says this, "My hope is built on nothing less than Jesus' blood and faithfulness." Salvation is a free gift that I did not deserve nor can ever pay back with works. Do i live a moral life; do i help the poor and unfortunate; do I preach the Gospel of Christ everyday both through words and actions? Yes, of course I do but still My works are not enough to repay Jesus for his agony on Calvary; for the rejection he suffered by his countrymen for my sake( and yours). I do not rejoice in self righteous introspection.

I am privileged to have a relationship with God that he initiated and paid for. i feel no more pressure to perform good works for God than i did for my fleshly father. My fleshly father did not demand a list of things i had done to make him look good before he put his arms around me and welcomed me to Sunday dinner-by virtue of sonship- which i had not given up- he had a place for me at his table. God has a place for all at his table, for "whosoever believes will not perish but have everlasting life." (John 3:16)
bystander no more

Elk Grove, CA

#33 Dec 29, 2012
Nomi wrote:
Scriptures on endurance. Luke 21:10...Matt.24:13...Eph.6:3.. .Romans 15:4. No such thing as "once saved, always saved"...otherwise there would be no need to be concerned about enduring. A person could go and do anything they choose, and still be saved, according to that notion. Nope, enduring is an ongoing process....or a "work in progress".
Hi Nomi :-)

You're absolutely right. I found another scripture that explains it quite well:

"...keep working out your own salvation with fear and trembling." (Phil 2:12)

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Since: Dec 07

central louisiana

#34 Dec 29, 2012
bystander no more wrote:
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Hi Nomi :-)
You're absolutely right. I found another scripture that explains it quite well:
"...keep working out your own salvation with fear and trembling." (Phil 2:12)
ihv i always fear i will be pleasing to GOD..but my i guess favorite verse is this one:
2ti 1:12 For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day.

you see i gave my life to JESUS in 88.. thats what i committed to him.. it didnt take a religion to make that decision for me
will

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Since: Dec 07

central louisiana

#35 Dec 29, 2012
ihveit wrote:
<quoted text>
ihv i always fear i will be pleasing to GOD..but my i guess favorite verse is this one:
2ti 1:12 For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day.
you see i gave my life to JESUS in 88.. thats what i committed to him.. it didnt take a religion to make that decision for me
will
ihv WILL NOT BE

cant wait on a jw to catch this one and chasten me in some way
will

Since: Dec 12

United States

#36 Dec 30, 2012
ihveit wrote:
<quoted text>
ihv WILL NOT BE
cant wait on a jw to catch this one and chasten me in some way
will
Beautiful posts Will.
Na Na Boo Boo

Antigo, WI

#37 Dec 30, 2012
You want to be really scared?

Just ask Carolyn/EE 2 to take out her teeth and off her wig, now thats scarey...lol.lol.
Daniel a Slave of Christ

Rockport, TX

#38 Dec 30, 2012
Endure to the end in what? WTS teachings, your flesh, endure the end in self-works of goodness?

Endure to the end is what! Faith, faith in what yourself, faith in the WTS teachings, the works of the bible or faith in Christ Jesus the door too salvation? Does enduring in works of law make a person clean, righteous and worthy of entering the Kingdom of God?

Here is the point, a person cannot be saved by works, do you know why? Because when a person becomes a part of Christ Jesus by faith, they are dead to their old flesh, it does not live in Christ Jesus. He is free of sin and its corruption.

So ones works from themselves is dead works, so who's works are we enduring in our own works or Christ Jesus works as part of his spiritual body? Now as shocking as this is to WTS members, their faith, not faith in WTS is given them as gift of the body of Christ Jesus, as a member therein. Not even their faith is enough, it is Christ faith as the “head” of the body that is given too each member therein, faith God distributes according to his good pleasure.

Rom.12:3 For I say, through the grace that was given me, to every man who is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think reasonably, as God has apportioned to each person a measure of faith.

Ephesians 4:7 But to each one of us was the grace given according to the measure of the gift of Christ.

Gal.5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faith,{or, faithfulness}
5:23 gentleness, and self-control. Against such things there is no law.

That means, our complete salvation depends not upon us but the free gift of God's love. Enduring to the end a WTS teaching that is used to make members feel they are superior to other religion is really nothing more than enslaving one self, by sight to a man made organization for free labor.

Sadly the WTS thinks itself the vine of God, and the fruit on the vine is its members who think they support the vine and the root stock, what a joke!

John 15:5 I am the vine. You are the branches. He who remains in me, and I in him, the same bears much fruit, for apart from me you can do nothing. 15:6 If a man doesn't remain in me, he is thrown out as a branch, and is withered; and they gather them, throw them into the fire, and they are burned. 15:7 If you remain in me, and my words remain in you, you will ask whatever you desire, and it will be done for you

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Since: Nov 08

El Cerrito California

#39 Dec 30, 2012
Nomi wrote:
We must endure to the end to be saved. It is conditional. GOD keeps his word, its up to us to keep ours.
If you believe that GOD keeps his word why than has your governing body claimed for themselves the position that GOD promised to Israel?

To accept the racist teachings of your governing body and their horrible replacement theology is to call GOD a liar!

And to claim the Jews were rejected because they did not accept Jesus as the messiah is not scriptural and it isn't true. It's just another false judgment made by the masters of your apocalyptic cult against a whole nation of innocent people!

King David broke every rule in the book, yet GOD forgave him again and again.

If you read the Hebrew Scriptures carefully you will see that forgiveness is an important aspect of GOD'S LOVE that we need to understand. GOD'S LOVE is much different than the conditional love taught by the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses.

The Governing body of the organization of Jehovah's Witnesses miss the importance of GOD'S LOVE completely as they obsessively judge all of humanity, usurping GOD'S authority and defying scripture in their attempt to intimidate people into joining their religion with their bloodbath theology and their false conditional love.

We all need to get informed as to the evil nature of the Roman hoax of Christianity and it's many derivatives that deny the Jewish GOD and the Jewish Jesus and get involved in restoring true Christianity based on the OMNIPRESENT GOD of Israel to humanity that is even now being found to be in accord with the latest scientific findings concerning the nature of the Cosmos!

GOD is LOVE. WE are ALL ONE WITH GOD, even the unloving!

“Delivering the Gospel”

Since: Feb 09

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#40 Dec 30, 2012
Nomi wrote:
Scriptures on endurance. Luke 21:10...Matt.24:13...Eph.6:3.. .Romans 15:4. No such thing as "once saved, always saved"...otherwise there would be no need to be concerned about enduring. A person could go and do anything they choose, and still be saved, according to that notion. Nope, enduring is an ongoing process....or a "work in progress".
Exactly what are you "enduring" that a non-jws is not?

Nomi,if you cannot answer that question maybe you should question your beliefs.

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