Where Does Stupidity Come From?

aadriver

Since: Aug 09

Bedfordshire, England

#21 May 5, 2012
Ra88itt wrote:
aadriver
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I think that it was down to natural human imperfection and from imperfection, at times, it can result in irrational ideas... Similarly, considering the attainment of first hand teaching and knowledge from Jesus, it was irrational of the apostles of Jesus to argue on the day of the Pesach who was the greatest amongst them all.
Do you think that Martin Luther and his followers were stupid to date predict the second coming and the end, an end that obviously didn't happen ?
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This is near enough the same as what Martin Luther and his followers did...Up to around ten times he and his subsequent followers predicted the second coming and the end, and they produced printed material to promote that idea. Yet, as followers of Christ they knew that Jesus had said no one knows the day or hour of the end. However, I see their reasoning, because as Historicists,(just as Russell was) the predictions are generally based on Daniels prophecies that give numerals and chronology as a basis for calculating the signs of the end. I can't recall Luther saying that he himself was an Ass, he wasn't, and neither, on those same methods of prediction, was Russell.
Then, the Protestants copied the Catholics and formed their own inquisitions and tortured the innocents. Luther was anti-semitic, he claimed to be a spokesman for God, he believed God's word, the book of Revelation to be wrong.
Do you believe that Luther and his Protestants throughout the centuries were also totally irresponsible and completely stupid as you do Russell and all that followed him ? Or do you limit your anger to one faction only ?
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How can you possibly compare an argument among the Apostles to stupid statements by the complete governing body. They also insist that their words are not only believed, but that their millions of followers are meant to adjust their lives to whatever they say. Massive difference.
Anyone who tries to put a date on Jesus coming is pretty biblically ignorant, as Jesus said that nobody knows the day or hour (or year).
Incidentally, it was judge Rutherford that said 'I made an ass of myself.' He said it privately (of course not publically) to colleagues. You can read about it in the 1984 Watchtower October 1st page 24.

“Minister To The Lord”

Since: Apr 12

San Antonio, TX

#22 May 5, 2012
emmaswish wrote:
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and he wonders where the stupidity comes from..........
Is that too hard for you to figure out?
Unknown

Salisbury, Australia

#23 May 5, 2012
TheLionOfGod wrote:
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Not only that
I speak back.
How exactly do you hear God speak?

“Minister To The Lord”

Since: Apr 12

San Antonio, TX

#24 May 5, 2012
Unknown wrote:
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How exactly do you hear God speak?
With my ears.
Unknown

Salisbury, Australia

#25 May 5, 2012
TheLionOfGod wrote:
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With my ears.
Is it the spoken Word or actually God speak to you directly?

“KeepProclaiming Christ Death ”

Since: Dec 09

Marietta, GA

#26 May 5, 2012
Aneirin wrote:
Karen
See you didn't do your research. That's were stupidity comes from.

“Minister To The Lord”

Since: Apr 12

San Antonio, TX

#27 May 5, 2012
Unknown wrote:
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Is it the spoken Word or actually God speak to you directly?
God speaks to me face to face just like he spoke to Moses. The same exact way.

“Minister To The Lord”

Since: Apr 12

San Antonio, TX

#28 May 5, 2012
Now I know you do not know or have the knowledge to comprehend what I am saying.

But I told you anyway.
Unknown

Salisbury, Australia

#29 May 5, 2012
TheLionOfGod wrote:
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God speaks to me face to face just like he spoke to Moses. The same exact way.
It was actually an angel that God sent, as God's agent, to speak to Moses.

Exo 33:20 But, he said, "you cannot see my face, for man shall not see me and live."

“Minister To The Lord”

Since: Apr 12

San Antonio, TX

#30 May 5, 2012
God told me were stupidity came from.

“Minister To The Lord”

Since: Apr 12

San Antonio, TX

#31 May 5, 2012
He even explained it to me how it came about and why.

Pretty awesome what he told me.

“Minister To The Lord”

Since: Apr 12

San Antonio, TX

#32 May 5, 2012
And what he told me...I can apply the same principle he revealed to me to everything else.

Now he has open a new door into a whole new realm for me to explore and learn.

“Minister To The Lord”

Since: Apr 12

San Antonio, TX

#33 May 5, 2012
Unknown wrote:
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It was actually an angel that God sent, as God's agent, to speak to Moses.
Exo 33:20 But, he said, "you cannot see my face, for man shall not see me and live."
You actually do not know anything but you read out of a book.

I actually on the other hand talk to God face to face.

“Minister To The Lord”

Since: Apr 12

San Antonio, TX

#34 May 5, 2012
I am far far far more wise than you.

The book cannot make you wise.

How much more proof do you need?

“Minister To The Lord”

Since: Apr 12

San Antonio, TX

#35 May 5, 2012
I am the wisest of all flesh and blood upon the face of the whole Earth.

God told me he made me so.

Since: May 12

United States

#36 May 5, 2012
unlisted wrote:
your a horrible little man gareth hiding behind the new name aneriean... wow a little man. with no religion to belong to
.....r you referring to me unlisted...i dont know u at all unless Gareeth is a female nurse and u nicknamed me that. BUT I WILL TELL YA...he had some good comebacks so if ya think im him...its a compliment. or were u speaking to Array? lol

“Psalms 47:1-9”

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#37 May 6, 2012
sHUcKS, StTUPIdY CAME AbOUt BeCAuSE sOmE WeRe HIdINg BeHInD ThE dOoR wHeN gOD wAS pASsINg OuT SmARtS...EvERyONe KnOWs ThAT!

Since: Sep 11

Pevensey, UK

#38 May 6, 2012
aadriver
aadriver wrote:
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How can you possibly compare an argument among the Apostles to stupid statements by the complete governing body. They also insist that their words are not only believed, but that their millions of followers are meant to adjust their lives to whatever they say. Massive difference.
There is little difference...Don't you think that similarly the objective of the apostles was to get those they preached to to believe them and to then change their lifestyle ? Did not Jesus say to the rich ruler ?:

"......Jesus said to him “There is yet one thing lacking about you: Sell all the things you have and distribute to poor people, and you will have treasure in the heavens; and come be my follower.” 23 When he heard this, he became deeply grieved, for he was very rich."

My comparison is appropriate... the fact is, the apostles had a long period of time with the son of God, direct teaching from him and first hand evidence of his works, but the GB, Russell and Rutherford etc did not have such matters placed before them... Yet, right at the end the apostles still argued amongst themselves about concepts that were not taught by Jesus or to be found in any previous scripture.

The point that you miss is that even with such direct teaching, men still cannot interpret God and his sons teachings correctly, so it is less likely for us to do so... So where you name such ones as stupid, you are in fact calling the apostles stupid also.
aadriver wrote:
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Anyone who tries to put a date on Jesus coming is pretty biblically ignorant, as Jesus said that nobody knows the day or hour (or year).
So you do think that the date setters Martin Luther and his followers and others from Christendom, the date setting historicists of past times are biblically ignorant....but by the nature of your "beating around the bush" you are too afraid to say directly that they are.

Jesus said that know one knows, but he didn't say that we should not stop try to know and to keep on the watch. What do you think that the Daniel prophecies were written for, and Johns Revelation where they give chronological and numeric pointers ? Are they written for the purpose of calculating or just to be stared at ?
aadriver wrote:
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Incidentally, it was judge Rutherford that said 'I made an ass of myself.' He said it privately (of course not publically) to colleagues. You can read about it in the 1984 Watchtower October 1st page 24.
I've looked at page the Watchtower you mentioned but I can't find Rutherford's quote, is it that page or even that particular magazine ?
Whatever, if he did say that, good for him, at least he is humble. However, not often is it that the date setters of Christendom say that about themself.

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aadriver

Since: Aug 09

Bedfordshire, England

#39 May 7, 2012
Ra88itt wrote:
aadriver
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There is little difference...Don't you think that similarly the objective of the apostles was to get those they preached to to believe them and to then change their lifestyle ? Did not Jesus say to the rich ruler ?:
"......Jesus said to him “There is yet one thing lacking about you: Sell all the things you have and distribute to poor people, and you will have treasure in the heavens; and come be my follower.” 23 When he heard this, he became deeply grieved, for he was very rich."
My comparison is appropriate... the fact is, the apostles had a long period of time with the son of God, direct teaching from him and first hand evidence of his works, but the GB, Russell and Rutherford etc did not have such matters placed before them... Yet, right at the end the apostles still argued amongst themselves about concepts that were not taught by Jesus or to be found in any previous scripture.
The point that you miss is that even with such direct teaching, men still cannot interpret God and his sons teachings correctly, so it is less likely for us to do so... So where you name such ones as stupid, you are in fact calling the apostles stupid also.
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So you do think that the date setters Martin Luther and his followers and others from Christendom, the date setting historicists of past times are biblically ignorant....but by the nature of your "beating around the bush" you are too afraid to say directly that they are.
Jesus said that know one knows, but he didn't say that we should not stop try to know and to keep on the watch. What do you think that the Daniel prophecies were written for, and Johns Revelation where they give chronological and numeric pointers ? Are they written for the purpose of calculating or just to be stared at ?
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I've looked at page the Watchtower you mentioned but I can't find Rutherford's quote, is it that page or even that particular magazine ?
Whatever, if he did say that, good for him, at least he is humble. However, not often is it that the date setters of Christendom say that about themself.
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Picture this the USA president is talking with his staff and they start arguing about who of them is more important to the president. They discuss it and sort it out.
That is what the Apostles did. A perfectly believable situation.

However you would not expect the president or his staff to measure the pyramids of Egypt and bring back the measurements and tell the president that this proves the point. Then publish their findings to the people of USA telling them that they now have concrete proof who should be second in line to the president.
I can assure you that those men would be voted straight out of office on the grounds of complete incompetence and stupidity.

As for naming years, of course it is wrong for anyone to do that. That was what Jesus said. I did not realize I had to spell it out for you.

Third point. You need to look again. It really is not rocket science finding a quote. All you have to do is put it in the search engine of the Watchtower cd rom. It is at the end of the article by Karl Klein, and as I said he never admitted that to the rank and file just some close colleagues. Big difference.
You should know by now that the society very, very rarely admit they were wrong, even though they have been constantly wrong since Russell first started the religion.

“Truth is where you find it”

Since: Jun 11

Watsontown, PA

#40 May 7, 2012
TheLionOfGod wrote:
I know where all Wisdom comes from.
Where does stupidity come from?
Do any of you know?
CARM.org

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