Is Jesus worthy of worship?

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Is Jesus worthy of worship?

I asked this question a couple of times on a couple of posts. I'm pretty new here so forgive me if I'm asking questions that have already been answered. I, of course believe that He is worthy of worship and praise. But do the JW's worship Jesus?

[Duh-boy]

We do not worship Jesus as Almighty God, however, the proper praise, adoration, and devotion is given to Jesus because he is our King, given to us as such by Almighty God Jehovah.

Look at this song and tell me we don't worship Jesus to a degree:

Song 109
Hail Jehovah’s Firstborn!
(Hebrews 1:6)
1. Hail Jehovah’s Firstborn,
God’s duly appointed King.
He reigns for truth and justice;
Rich blessings his rule will bring.
With dignity and splendor
And love for God’s great name,
He’ll vindicate Jehovah,
His sov’reignty proclaim.
(Chorus)
2. Hail Jehovah’s Firstborn,
Who died so that we may live.
He humbly paid the ransom;
Our sins God can now forgive.
The bride of Christ awaits him,
Adorned for him in white.
This marriage in the heavens
Will prove God’s rule is right.
(CHORUS)
Hail Jehovah’s Firstborn!
All praise God’s anointed Son.
Installed upon Mount Zion,
His Kingship has now begun!
(See also Ps. 2:6; 45:3, 4; Rev. 19:8.)

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Duh-boy wrote:

We do not worship Jesus as Almighty God, however, the proper praise, adoration, and devotion is given to Jesus because he is our King, given to us as such by Almighty God Jehovah.
Look at this song and tell me we don't worship Jesus to a degree:
Song 109
Hail Jehovah’s Firstborn!
(Hebrews 1:6)
1. Hail Jehovah’s Firstborn,
God’s duly appointed King.
He reigns for truth and justice;
Rich blessings his rule will bring.
With dignity and splendor
And love for God’s great name,
He’ll vindicate Jehovah,
His sov’reignty proclaim.
(Chorus)
2. Hail Jehovah’s Firstborn,
Who died so that we may live.
He humbly paid the ransom;
Our sins God can now forgive.
The bride of Christ awaits him,
Adorned for him in white.
This marriage in the heavens
Will prove God’s rule is right.
(CHORUS)
Hail Jehovah’s Firstborn!
All praise God’s anointed Son.
Installed upon Mount Zion,
His Kingship has now begun!
(See also Ps. 2:6; 45:3, 4; Rev. 19:8.)

Nice song.
I'm glad that you too worship Jesus. Worthy is the Lamb of God

[Kevin 321]

It is not a "kind of" type of thing. Either you view Jesus worthy of worship, or you do NOT. How do you "kinda" worship Jesus?

John 14:1
New King James Version (NKJV)

The Way, the Truth, and the Life

14 “Let not your heart be troubled; you believe in God, believe also in Me.

[Duh-boy]

Kevin 321 wrote:

It is not a "kind of" type of thing. Either you view Jesus worthy of worship, or you do NOT. How do you "kinda" worship Jesus?
John 14:1
New King James Version (NKJV)
The Way, the Truth, and the Life
14 “Let not your heart be troubled; you believe in God, believe also in Me.

Who said we kind of? We give him the adoration (worship), devotion (worship), and praise (worship) he deserves. However, we do not worship him as Almighty God. We are devoted to Jesus and worship the one he said worship as Almighty God, His Father Jehovah.

(John 4:23). . .Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshipers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for, indeed, the Father is looking for suchlike ones to worship him. . .

(Matthew 4:10). . .Then Jesus said to him:“Go away, Satan! For it is written,‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.. . .

[Kevin 321]

Duh-boy wrote:

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Who said we kind of? We give him the adoration (worship), devotion (worship), and praise (worship) he deserves. However, we do not worship him as Almighty God. We are devoted to Jesus and worship the one he said worship as Almighty God, His Father Jehovah.
(John 4:23). . .Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshipers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for, indeed, the Father is looking for suchlike ones to worship him. . .
(Matthew 4:10). . .Then Jesus said to him:“Go away, Satan! For it is written,‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.. . .

Did you miss the ten commandments?

Exodus 20:5
New International Version (NIV)

5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me,

So do you worship Jesus? It was a simple question, that only required a simple answer, Yes or No.

Not a "kind of worship".

[Icaris]

We as Jehovah's Witnesses Do acknowledge Jesus and we endevor to follow his foot steps closely. However it has always bothered me (as well as others) that we dont seem to give Jesus the honor that is really due. I can say without hesitation that I hear more about the "Faithful and Descrete Slave" or "The Governing Body" more so than what I hear about Christ and personally, I find it sickening. This is one of the things I look forward to seeing corrected when the judgements start with the "House Of God First." Im just speaking honestly here. Im not trying to ruffle any feathers nore am I trying to offend. But the small amount of reconition that we give him seems to be mere token service. What do I mean by that? We rarely talk about him. His name is mentioned at the end of our prayers out of respect but thats about it (from my perspective.) Yes, we talk about him a little more during the memorial celebrations and we print books about how to follow his steps closely....but when it comes to really giving him praise and honor we shy away from it. I dont think the lack of honor is delibrate. I think its because we try so hard to stand out as different from other churches that we've actually crippled ourselves. Again...this is my view, my perspective of the situation. Jehovah's witnesses Love Jesus and accept him as our king and savior. But we have failed to find a balance between Worshiping our God Jehovah and Honoring the Christ.

[Kevin 321]

Icaris wrote:

We as Jehovah's Witnesses Do acknowledge Jesus and we endevor to follow his foot steps closely. However it has always bothered me (as well as others) that we dont seem to give Jesus the honor that is really due. I can say without hesitation that I hear more about the "Faithful and Descrete Slave" or "The Governing Body" more so than what I hear about Christ and personally, I find it sickening. This is one of the things I look forward to seeing corrected when the judgements start with the "House Of God First." Im just speaking honestly here. Im not trying to ruffle any feathers nore am I trying to offend. But the small amount of reconition that we give him seems to be mere token service. What do I mean by that? We rarely talk about him. His name is mentioned at the end of our prayers out of respect but thats about it (from my perspective.) Yes, we talk about him a little more during the memorial celebrations and we print books about how to follow his steps closely....but when it comes to really giving him praise and honor we shy away from it. I dont think the lack of honor is delibrate. I think its because we try so hard to stand out as different from other churches that we've actually crippled ourselves. Again...this is my view, my perspective of the situation. Jehovah's witnesses Love Jesus and accept him as our king and savior. But we have failed to find a balance between Worshiping our God Jehovah and Honoring the Christ.

You seem different. Different, by you are willing to honestly verbalize things that the JWs have wrong.

You said "Jehovah's witnesses Love Jesus and accept him as our king and savior."

But the bible lists

Isaiah 43:11
New King James Version (NKJV)

11 I, even I, am the Lord,
And besides Me there is no savior.

How can Jesus be your saviour and not contradict JW doctrine?

[Duh-boy]

Kevin 321 wrote:

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Did you miss the ten commandments?
Exodus 20:5
New International Version (NIV)
5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me,
So do you worship Jesus? It was a simple question, that only required a simple answer, Yes or No.
Not a "kind of worship".

It actually requires much more because there is so much confustion on worship and who Jesus Christ is.

[Duh-boy]

Kevin 321 wrote:

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You seem different. Different, by you are willing to honestly verbalize things that the JWs have wrong.
You said "Jehovah's witnesses Love Jesus and accept him as our king and savior."
But the bible lists
Isaiah 43:11
New King James Version (NKJV)
11 I, even I, am the Lord,
And besides Me there is no savior.
How can Jesus be your saviour and not contradict JW doctrine?

Simple, Jehovah sent Jesus, he is responsible for sending Jesus. Therefore Jehovah saves through His Son Jesus Christ.

[Kevin 321]

Duh-boy wrote:

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It actually requires much more because there is so much confustion on worship and who Jesus Christ is.

This is "kinda like" pleading the 5th. Do you know what pleading the 5th means?

[Kevin 321]

Duh-boy wrote:

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Simple, Jehovah sent Jesus, he is responsible for sending Jesus. Therefore Jehovah saves through His Son Jesus Christ.

Is that what the text said? No. Read it agin.

[Duh-boy]

Kevin 321 wrote:

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Is that what the text said? No. Read it agin.

The bible says this, not just the text. Do you beleive that since there is no savior besides God that Jesus is the Father? Of course you don't, so you go round and round in circles trying to explain that Jesus is God, making absolutely no sense.

[Icaris]

Kevin 321 wrote:

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How can Jesus be your saviour and not contradict JW doctrine?

The answer is simple. I dont care about Doctrine, I care about Truth.

[Kevin 321]

Icaris wrote:

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The answer is simple. I dont care about Doctrine, I care about Truth.

Woooo Hooooo! Man I am beginning to find a huge fondness in my heart for you. Thats awesome. Love it. Forget what man says, or doctrines, just what is truth. I am with ya.

[gotyou]

Icaris wrote:

We as Jehovah's Witnesses Do acknowledge Jesus and we endevor to follow his foot steps closely. However it has always bothered me (as well as others) that we dont seem to give Jesus the honor that is really due. I can say without hesitation that I hear more about the "Faithful and Descrete Slave" or "The Governing Body" more so than what I hear about Christ and personally, I find it sickening. This is one of the things I look forward to seeing corrected when the judgements start with the "House Of God First." Im just speaking honestly here. Im not trying to ruffle any feathers nore am I trying to offend. But the small amount of reconition that we give him seems to be mere token service. What do I mean by that? We rarely talk about him. His name is mentioned at the end of our prayers out of respect but thats about it (from my perspective.) Yes, we talk about him a little more during the memorial celebrations and we print books about how to follow his steps closely....but when it comes to really giving him praise and honor we shy away from it. I dont think the lack of honor is delibrate. I think its because we try so hard to stand out as different from other churches that we've actually crippled ourselves. Again...this is my view, my perspective of the situation. Jehovah's witnesses Love Jesus and accept him as our king and savior. But we have failed to find a balance between Worshiping our God Jehovah and Honoring the Christ.

I wish that all Jehovah's Witnesses could be like you. I appreciate your honesty.

[Duh-boy]

Icaris wrote:

We as Jehovah's Witnesses Do acknowledge Jesus and we endevor to follow his foot steps closely. However it has always bothered me (as well as others) that we dont seem to give Jesus the honor that is really due. I can say without hesitation that I hear more about the "Faithful and Descrete Slave" or "The Governing Body" more so than what I hear about Christ and personally, I find it sickening. This is one of the things I look forward to seeing corrected when the judgements start with the "House Of God First." Im just speaking honestly here. Im not trying to ruffle any feathers nore am I trying to offend. But the small amount of reconition that we give him seems to be mere token service. What do I mean by that? We rarely talk about him. His name is mentioned at the end of our prayers out of respect but thats about it (from my perspective.) Yes, we talk about him a little more during the memorial celebrations and we print books about how to follow his steps closely....but when it comes to really giving him praise and honor we shy away from it. I dont think the lack of honor is delibrate. I think its because we try so hard to stand out as different from other churches that we've actually crippled ourselves. Again...this is my view, my perspective of the situation. Jehovah's witnesses Love Jesus and accept him as our king and savior. But we have failed to find a balance between Worshiping our God Jehovah and Honoring the Christ.

It's up to us as individuals in the congregation. Do you have an opportunity to reach out so that you qualify to give prayers so that you can mention Jesus? Do you mention Jesus every chance you get in your comments?

[Icaris]

Duh-boy wrote:

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It's up to us as individuals in the congregation. Do you have an opportunity to reach out so that you qualify to give prayers so that you can mention Jesus? Do you mention Jesus every chance you get in your comments?

Greetings DB. I can truelly appreciate what youre saying here. But those who are taking the lead, Christ brothers aka, faithful and discrete slave/governing body, They should be the ones setting the utmost example of giving praise to Jesus Christ. After all, isnt he their "Husbandly Owner", and they the "Bride"? Rather than showing honor to "her" Husband, they've taken in honor for themselves. When was the last time you've been to your local kingdom hall and heard a prayer THAT DID NOT include the mentioning of the Faithful slave? If im not mistaken, we even have a kingdom melody that mentions the faithful and descrete slave, which to me is totally presumptuous of them and I for my part refuse to sing it. In fact, I took the liberty of ripping that particular song out of my book. Thats about as far as Im going to go with this because I dont want this to turn in to a Watchtower bashing. But I trust that you understand my frustrations.

[Kevin 321]

Icaris wrote:

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Greetings DB. I can truelly appreciate what youre saying here. But those who are taking the lead, Christ brothers aka, faithful and discrete slave/governing body, They should be the ones setting the utmost example of giving praise to Jesus Christ. After all, isnt he their "Husbandly Owner", and they the "Bride"? Rather than showing honor to "her" Husband, they've taken in honor for themselves. When was the last time you've been to your local kingdom hall and heard a prayer THAT DID NOT include the mentioning of the Faithful slave? If im not mistaken, we even have a kingdom melody that mentions the faithful and descrete slave, which to me is totally presumptuous of them and I for my part refuse to sing it. In fact, I took the liberty of ripping that particular song out of my book. Thats about as far as Im going to go with this because I dont want this to turn in to a Watchtower bashing. But I trust that you understand my frustrations.

All I can say is, YOU ARE A BREATH OF FRESH AIR! Thank you for your complete honesty.

Much love

[Duh-boy]

Icaris wrote:

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Greetings DB. I can truelly appreciate what youre saying here. But those who are taking the lead, Christ brothers aka, faithful and discrete slave/governing body, They should be the ones setting the utmost example of giving praise to Jesus Christ. After all, isnt he their "Husbandly Owner", and they the "Bride"? Rather than showing honor to "her" Husband, they've taken in honor for themselves. When was the last time you've been to your local kingdom hall and heard a prayer THAT DID NOT include the mentioning of the Faithful slave? If im not mistaken, we even have a kingdom melody that mentions the faithful and descrete slave, which to me is totally presumptuous of them and I for my part refuse to sing it. In fact, I took the liberty of ripping that particular song out of my book. Thats about as far as Im going to go with this because I dont want this to turn in to a Watchtower bashing. But I trust that you understand my frustrations.

Should we not thank Jehovah God for our brothers who helped us? If it were not for the GB would no the truth about Jesus and Jehovah?