“JEHOVAH IS A GOLDEN CALF”

Since: Nov 07

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#23 Jan 2, 2010
JWForever wrote:
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Havor Montague is a fictious name. He's only in the mind of Apostate Jerry Bergman and you given him as "expert?" LOL!!
You are the fictious name.

One of those who is sick and needs expert mental health attention.

How is your daughter?
Carly

Mount Pleasant, IA

#24 Jan 2, 2010
Mega Rude wrote:
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Licensed therapist Havor Montague monitored the admissions to state and private mental hospitals and local mental health clinics in Ohio from 1972 to 1976.
From this study of 102 cases, he estimated, "The mental illness rate of JWs is approximately 10 to 16 times higher than the rate for the general population...
From his intensive interviews with Witness patients and others, Montague concluded that persons who had emotional problems were attracted to the Witnesses, but involvement also caused many of the emotional problems that they suffered.
This is evident from the fact that many with problems reported they were far happier after they left.
To each his own but for anyone to say that the witnesses don't want people to seek help if they need it, that link I posted proves that the witnesses do.

“JEHOVAH IS A GOLDEN CALF”

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#25 Jan 2, 2010
JWForever wrote:
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These people on this board thrive on the deaths of Jehovah's Witness. They have shown this over and over agaon.
It's sad that their hate will not let them show one ounce of compassion of another human being.
Thanks for showing the truth and her family will be in my prayers as they deal with her death.
When I hear about a Jehovah's Witness dying, I feel sorry that someone died without ever being able to enjoy life.

Someone died without ever knowing the true God.

Someone died and their life was subject to the whims of demon possessed men who served Satan.

Someone died and their life was a total waste, as they lived for Satan and Satan's organization.

It's sad when a Jehovah's Witness, who has been a slave to Satan, dies.

And when they die, their soul is forever lost.

Salvation is impossible for Jehovah's Witnesses for they call on a pagan name for salvation.

Scripture teaches us that salvation comes only from Jesus Christ, not Jehovah.

That is why Satan promotes the satanic organization, the Jehovah's Witnesses.

Then Satan claims another sucker.
jimi

United States

#26 Jan 2, 2010
JWForever wrote:
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These people on this board thrive on the deaths of Jehovah's Witness. They have shown this over and over agaon.
It's sad that their hate will not let them show one ounce of compassion of another human being.
Thanks for showing the truth and her family will be in my prayers as they deal with her death.
Do you think being a "Real" human on this forum is the same as being a "Real" JW? I do, but only because it is the same group that considers anyone that throws a bone to ee1-1000 during one of her c&p rants a "Real" JW.

“JEHOVAH IS A GOLDEN CALF”

Since: Nov 07

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#27 Jan 2, 2010
Carly wrote:
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To each his own but for anyone to say that the witnesses don't want people to seek help if they need it, that link I posted proves that the witnesses do.
Where did I say that witnesses don't want people to seek help?

Since: Apr 07

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#29 Jan 2, 2010
Mega Rude wrote:
<quoted text> You are correct.
Licensed therapist Havor Montague monitored the admissions to state and private mental hospitals and local mental health clinics in Ohio from 1972 to 1976.
From this study of 102 cases, he estimated, "The mental illness rate of JWs is approximately 10 to 16 times higher than the rate for the general population...
From his intensive interviews with Witness patients and others, Montague concluded that persons who had emotional problems were attracted to the Witnesses, but involvement also caused many of the emotional problems that they suffered.
This is evident from the fact that many with problems reported they were far happier after they left.
If you are going to cite this material by "Havor Montague" you should also disclose the author was Jerry Bergman writing under a pen name.

Marvin Shilmer

Since: May 08

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#30 Jan 2, 2010
jimi wrote:
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Do you think being a "Real" human on this forum is the same as being a "Real" JW? I do, but only because it is the same group that considers anyone that throws a bone to ee1-1000 during one of her c&p rants a "Real" JW.
I don't know what you are talking about...we are talking about someone who died and everyone wants to ridicule the dead and blame it all on being a JWs.

You guys are still waiting on the "computer" to show why 4 JWs died and so you all can start your "Its because they were JWs, etc., etc,.
jimi

United States

#31 Jan 2, 2010
JWForever wrote:
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I don't know what you are talking about...we are talking about someone who died and everyone wants to ridicule the dead and blame it all on being a JWs.
You guys are still waiting on the "computer" to show why 4 JWs died and so you all can start your "Its because they were JWs, etc., etc,.
What are you talking about...you didn't get around to talking about someone who died until the end of your second post. And you guys may be waiting on the computer to show why 4 JWs died but I figured out, from the origional story, that they died because they had an accident and drowned...spread the word.

Since: May 08

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#32 Jan 2, 2010
jimi wrote:
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What are you talking about...you didn't get around to talking about someone who died until the end of your second post. And you guys may be waiting on the computer to show why 4 JWs died but I figured out, from the origional story, that they died because they had an accident and drowned...spread the word.
You mean the lie that MegaRude told? He was trying to pawn off Jerry Bergman's rants as someone else as being an "expert on mental illness".
He should have kept his mouth shut as everyone else who couldn't say a nice word about the dead.
jimi

United States

#33 Jan 2, 2010
JWForever wrote:
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You mean the lie that MegaRude told? He was trying to pawn off Jerry Bergman's rants as someone else as being an "expert on mental illness".
He should have kept his mouth shut as everyone else who couldn't say a nice word about the dead.
Never heard of Jerry Bergman, did he write a book? You know the author Mark Twain? That isn't his real name you know but people still refer to Mark Twain's books. Do you think this woman needed help?

“JEHOVAH IS A GOLDEN CALF”

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#34 Jan 2, 2010
Marvin Shilmer wrote:
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If you are going to cite this material by "Havor Montague" you should also disclose the author was Jerry Bergman writing under a pen name.
Marvin Shilmer
Marvin,

In the material I have, I see no reference to Jerry Bergman, or any mention of any pen name.

If I did, I would have included it.

“JEHOVAH IS A GOLDEN CALF”

Since: Nov 07

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#35 Jan 2, 2010
JWForever wrote:
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You mean the lie that MegaRude told? He was trying to pawn off Jerry Bergman's rants as someone else as being an "expert on mental illness".
He should have kept his mouth shut as everyone else who couldn't say a nice word about the dead.
I think you are mentally ill.

Perhaps you should seek help from Jerry.

How's your daughter?

Since: Nov 09

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#36 Jan 3, 2010
jimi wrote:
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Never heard of Jerry Bergman, did he write a book? You know the author Mark Twain? That isn't his real name you know but people still refer to Mark Twain's books. Do you think this woman needed help?
Kinda like they believe every word the GB writes, when most of the writing is not even from them?

Since: Nov 09

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#37 Jan 3, 2010
Carly wrote:
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To each his own but for anyone to say that the witnesses don't want people to seek help if they need it, that link I posted proves that the witnesses do.
Carly, what you as a new person has not learned yet is that they will print one thing, but tell you another. Its just like the pedophile things, they will put into print that they have always told people to report them to the police, but in truth when behind closed doors, they are told not to, To leave it to Jehovah. Also when someone comes to them with a mental problem, they are told to pray and allow Jehovah to handle it. Same when a wife goes to them about an abusive husband, let Jehovah sort it out. Of course those here who call themselves JW's will deny this, but there are also many others who will tell you this is true, either by personal experience, or a close friends, or family member.
jimi

United States

#38 Jan 3, 2010
The Real Karen wrote:
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Kinda like they believe every word the GB writes, when most of the writing is not even from them?
Kinda like :)

Since: Nov 09

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#39 Jan 4, 2010
jimi wrote:
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Kinda like :)
LOL, I am a redneck, what can I say? ;) LOL

Since: Feb 07

RI

#40 Jan 4, 2010
The Real Karen wrote:
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Carly, what you as a new person has not learned yet is that they will print one thing, but tell you another. Its just like the pedophile things, they will put into print that they have always told people to report them to the police, but in truth when behind closed doors, they are told not to, To leave it to Jehovah. Also when someone comes to them with a mental problem, they are told to pray and allow Jehovah to handle it. Same when a wife goes to them about an abusive husband, let Jehovah sort it out. Of course those here who call themselves JW's will deny this, but there are also many others who will tell you this is true, either by personal experience, or a close friends, or family member.
Exactly. The JWs will print an article that, on the surface, makes them appear to be "normal" but when a JW goes to the elders for help (and JWs are always urged to seek the elders FIRST because these men are presumably appointed by Holy Spirit and are a better source of help than "worldly" therapists) they are not generally urged to consult a worldly mental health specialist, but are told to pray more, study more, make sure they attend all the meetings, and go out in service more, so that Jehovah's spirit will aid them to overcome whatever problems they have.

When many JWs do as the elders have suggested and discover that their problems do not abate, or perhaps become worse, they feel so despondent, believing that THEY must have done something to cause Jehovah to forsake them, and they kill themselves because they can't stand the pain.

JW elders are NOT qualified to deal with severe emotional issues.

Since: Dec 09

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#41 Jan 4, 2010
Carly wrote:
This from the link:

Pursue treatment. Despite the long-term nature of some mental disorders, with appropriate treatment many sufferers can have stable, productive lives. Unfortunately, many languish for years without getting help. Just as a serious heart condition requires a heart specialist, mental illness needs the attention of those who know how to treat such conditions. Psychiatrists, for example, can prescribe medicine that when taken consistently can help control mood, ease anxiety, and straighten out distorted thinking patterns.%

Encourage the sufferer to seek help. Those with mental disorders may not realize that they need help. You might suggest that the sufferer see a particular doctor, read some useful articles, or have a conversation with someone who has successfully managed a similar disorder. It may be that your loved one is not receptive to your advice. But by all means intervene if someone in your care is at risk of harming himself or others.

Sure does not look like they discourage treatment.
Once again AMOM you fertilize your own agenda. I am so sorry that you are so full of hate.

Since: Dec 09

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#42 Jan 4, 2010
The Real Karen wrote:
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LOL, I am a redneck, what can I say? ;) LOL
Nothing wrong with being a redneck.:)
Prime

United States

#43 Jan 4, 2010
SICK GHOUL wrote:
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You are a disgusting fiend.
What does that make you EE? It's sad but this woman will no longer have to deal with the unhappiness your cult subjects it's followers to!

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