HaShomer

Bonita Springs, FL

#41 Jan 10, 2013
Let me ask this question:

A sperm and a ovum in a petri dish are they.

A)Dead
B)Alive = Life

If the sperm is inserted into the egg can it create a human being?

Then when is the human cells a living soul?

That is with the breath of YHWH!

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#42 Jan 10, 2013
HaShomer wrote:
Let me ask this question:
A sperm and a ovum in a petri dish are they.
A)Dead
B)Alive = Life
If the sperm is inserted into the egg can it create a human being?
Then when is the human cells a living soul?
That is with the breath of YHWH!
Psalm 139:13-16
New King James Version (NKJV)

13 For You formed my inward parts;
You covered me in my mother’s womb.
14 I will praise You, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made;[a]
Marvelous are Your works,
And that my soul knows very well.
15 My frame was not hidden from You,
When I was made in secret,
And skillfully wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.
16 Your eyes saw my substance, being yet unformed.
And in Your book they all were written,
The days fashioned for me,
When as yet there were none of them.
HaShomer

Bonita Springs, FL

#43 Jan 10, 2013
Kevin 321 wrote:
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Psalm 139:13-16
New King James Version (NKJV)
13 For You formed my inward parts;
You covered me in my mother’s womb.
14 I will praise You, for I am fearfully and wonderfully made;[a]
Marvelous are Your works,
And that my soul knows very well.
15 My frame was not hidden from You,
When I was made in secret,
And skillfully wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.
16 Your eyes saw my substance, being yet unformed.
And in Your book they all were written,
The days fashioned for me,
When as yet there were none of them.
That is the reason why abortion is murder. Every conception is a life that is predestined to receive the breath of YHWH, even if conceived in a petri dish. However, a human being is not a soul until the breath of YHWH comes into his living body through his nostrils.
HaShomer

Bonita Springs, FL

#44 Jan 10, 2013
I will be gone for a couple of weeks, so I wish everyone in this forum Messiah's peace.

Since: Mar 12

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#45 Jan 10, 2013
HaShomer wrote:
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That is the reason why abortion is murder. Every conception is a life that is predestined to receive the breath of YHWH, even if conceived in a petri dish. However, a human being is not a soul until the breath of YHWH comes into his living body through his nostrils.
Dude, you really need to investigate your beliefs.

This is crazy talk.

Witness a still-born birth, or a late term abortion, and come back and tell me those children had no soul.
HaShomer

Bonita Springs, FL

#46 Jan 10, 2013
Kevin 321 wrote:
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Dude, you really need to investigate your beliefs.
This is crazy talk.
Witness a still-born birth, or a late term abortion, and come back and tell me those children had no soul.
dude, I know what I believe!

You don't read very well do you!
HaShomer

Bonita Springs, FL

#47 Jan 10, 2013
Kevin 321 wrote:
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Dude, you really need to investigate your beliefs.
This is crazy talk.
Witness a still-born birth, or a late term abortion, and come back and tell me those children had no soul.
A stillbirth occurs when a fetus has died in the uterus. Not living physically!

A late-term abortion often refers to an induced abortion procedure that occurs after the 20th week of gestation.
The point at which an abortion becomes late-term is often related to the "viability" (ability to survive outside the uterus) of the fetus. Can the fetus breathe on it's own.

If the lungs are not developed the fetus cannot survive!

No breath, not a living soul.

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#48 Jan 10, 2013
Okee dokee artichokee.

“Church Dogma - Coprolite.”

Since: Oct 07

Seattle, WA

#49 Jan 10, 2013
Let's try THIS!

Did JESUS have an 'immortal soul' when he 'died' on the cross/stake?

Since: Mar 12

Location hidden

#50 Jan 10, 2013
the Mad JW wrote:
Let's try THIS!
Did JESUS have an 'immortal soul' when he 'died' on the cross/stake?
So I can put you down as agreeing with HaShomer?

“Close enough”

Since: Aug 12

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#51 Jan 10, 2013
HaShomer wrote:
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I have seen many live births in my life, and I am always amazed to witness the first breath a baby takes when it comes out of the birth canal.
You can literally see the baby come to life as it starts crying.
So the way that I understand it is that the soul is the breath of YHWH, that we receive when we are born and it returns to Him when we physically die.
Genesis 2:7 Then the Lord God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.(soul)
John 11:7 Then after this he *said to the disciples,“Let us go to Judea again.” 8 The disciples *said to him,“Rabbi, the Jews were just now seeking to stone you, and are you going there again?” 9 Yahushua answered,“Are there not twelve hours in the day? If anyone walks in the day, he does not stumble, because he sees the light of this world. 10 But if anyone walks in the night, he stumbles, because the light is not in him.” 11 This he said, and after that he *said to them,“Our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep; but I go, so that I may awaken him out of sleep.” 12 The disciples then said to him,“Lord, if he has fallen asleep, he will recover.” 13 Now Yahushua had spoken of his death, but they thought that he was speaking of literal sleep. 14 So Yahushua then said to them plainly,“Lazarus is dead, 15 and I am glad for your sakes that I was not there, so that you may believe; but let us go to him.” 16 Therefore Thomas, who is called Didymus, said to his fellow disciples,“Let us also go, so that we may die with him.”
My first reaction to that beautiful scripture you presented is, What love they showed for Jesus. Then I did some research in the literature of Jehovah's Witnesses to see why it was Thomas said that in particular.("what we may die with him.") And here is what an answer is to a question from a reader, 1964 Watchtower.

"Question: What did Thomas mean when he said, as recorded at John 11:16,“Let us also go, that we may die with him”?

Answer: Just before the apostle Thomas spoke those words, Jesus Christ had stated that Lazarus had died, and he said:“I rejoice on your account that I was not there, in order for you to believe. But let us go to him.”(John 11:15) Thomas now spoke up:“Let us also go, that we may die with him.” Thomas said this with reference to Jesus, not the dead Lazarus. He spoke as he did because he expected that if Jesus went into Judea to Bethany, where the dead Lazarus was, he would surely be killed. Thomas knew the murderous intent of the hostile Jews. This is indicated by verse eight of that same chapter:“The disciples said to him:‘Rabbi, just lately the Judeans were seeking to stone you, and are you going there again?’” So Thomas’ words have reference to Jesus—not to Jesus’ being impaled on a stake at the hands of the Romans, but to Jesus’ probably being mobbed or stoned to death by the opposing Jews. So Thomas was saying that Jesus’ disciples should also go with him and die with him."

What love Thomas showed for Jesus, speaking to the other disciples. Thank you, HaShomer, for pointing to that passage, I never looked at it that way before. Thanks!

“Close enough”

Since: Aug 12

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#52 Jan 10, 2013
HaShomer wrote:
Let me ask this question:
A sperm and a ovum in a petri dish are they.
A)Dead
B)Alive = Life
If the sperm is inserted into the egg can it create a human being?
Then when is the human cells a living soul?
That is with the breath of YHWH!
In my mind, there is simply no question. It is too magnificent for my finite mind to contemplate except to be in awe of the Mighty One's creative power, far beyond my ability to understand it.

If He can do that, He can certainly resurrect those He wants to.
HaShomer

Bonita Springs, FL

#53 Jan 10, 2013
the Mad JW wrote:
Let's try THIS!
Did JESUS have an 'immortal soul' when he 'died' on the cross/stake?
Hi Mad,

I'm going to be away for a couple of weeks, so I will miss your great questions for a while. Since no one seems to want to answer this one, and I happen to have internet access for the evening, I will give it a shot!

No! Only YHWH is immortal.

1 Timothy 6: I charge you in the presence of God, who gives life to all things, and of Messiah Yahushua, who testified the good confession before Pontius Pilate, 14 that you keep the commandment without stain or reproach until the appearing of our Lord Yahushua Messiah, 15 which He (YHWH) will bring about at the proper time—He who is the blessed and ONLY Sovereign, the King of kings and Lord of lords, 16 who alone possesses immortality and dwells in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see. To Him be honor and eternal dominion! Amen.

Now having said that, because of Yahushua’s obedience to his Father’s (YHWH's) will through the indwelling of the Set-Apart Spirit, he was able to live a righteous life and fulfilled the Torah of YHWH, therefore death could not hold him in the grave.

For this reason he was resurrected by his God, your God and my God, the firstborn from the dead, and was given honor and glory and authority from the Father.

Acts 13:32 And we declare to you glad tidings—that promise which was made to the fathers. God has fulfilled this for us their children, in that He has raised up Yahushua. As it is also written in the second Psalm:
‘You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You.’
34 And that He raised him from the dead, no more to return to corruption, He has spoken thus:
‘I will give you the sure mercies of David.’
35 Therefore He also says in another Psalm:
‘You will not allow Your Holy One to see corruption.’
36 “For David, after he had served his own generation by the will of God, fell asleep, was buried with his fathers, and saw corruption; 37 but he whom God raised up saw no corruption. 38 Therefore let it be known to you, brethren, that THROUGH THIS MAN is preached to you the forgiveness of sins; 39 and by him everyone who believes is justified from all things from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses.

Revelation 1:4 John, to the seven churches which are in Asia:
Grace to you and peace from Him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven Spirits who are before His throne, 5 and from Yahushua Messiah, the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler over the kings of the earth. To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in his own blood, 6 and has made us kings and priests to HIS GOD and Father, to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.

Shalom!
HaShomer

Bonita Springs, FL

#54 Jan 10, 2013
miseracord wrote:
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In my mind, there is simply no question. It is too magnificent for my finite mind to contemplate except to be in awe of the Mighty One's creative power, far beyond my ability to understand it.
If He can do that, He can certainly resurrect those He wants to.
Hi miseracord,

HalleluYah!

Shalom

Since: Mar 12

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#55 Jan 10, 2013
the Mad JW wrote:
Let's try THIS!
Did JESUS have an 'immortal soul' when he 'died' on the cross/stake?
Time to burst your bubble. Read this all the way through.

Luke 23:43
King James Version (KJV)
43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.

NWT
Luke 23:43
43And he said to him:“Truly I tell you today, You will be with me in Paradise.”

The phrase "Truly I tell you" is the Greek "amen soi lego". It is used 74 times in the Gospels, and always is used as an introductory statement.

In 73 of the 74 times this phrase appears, the NWT places a break (such as a comma) immediately after the words "Truly I tell you". This passage, Luke 23:43, is the only instance where they did not place a break immediately after the statement.

Changing the bible for support of false doctrine, is frowned upon..........busted.

“Close enough”

Since: Aug 12

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#56 Jan 10, 2013
HaShomer wrote:
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Hi Mad,
I'm going to be away for a couple of weeks, so I will miss your great questions for a while. Since no one seems to want to answer this one, and I happen to have internet access for the evening, I will give it a shot!
Oh, I'm going to miss you, HaShomer! Have a good few weeks, if you can get to the internet, say hi.

I would love to go into that point about immortality, perhaps when you get back. Shalom.

“Church Dogma - Coprolite.”

Since: Oct 07

Seattle, WA

#57 Jan 12, 2013
Ha Shomer- is correct!
KiddieKevin goes with an incorrectly inserted comma- in NO manuscripts!

Jesus was in NO paradise, or 'paradise section of hell'(which doesn't exist) for those 3 days, churchoids.

He was ...frum roll.... DEAD!
Jackie

Fairless Hills, PA

#58 Jan 12, 2013
Hi there, me again.

There has been some little nasty Evil weasels, running around topix Attacking me jackie and my mother With slander, and these boards will get cluttered untill the creepy Chris Tolle removes this slander.

It has been reported Jackie is my real name, when Chris tolle removes the slander against us then I will leave.

“Church Dogma - Coprolite.”

Since: Oct 07

Seattle, WA

#59 Jan 12, 2013
You're welcome here, anytime, Jackie- bug the HELL (heh) out of the Slanderers!

They slander God and Christ, too!
Jackie

Fairless Hills, PA

#60 Jan 12, 2013
the Mad JW wrote:
You're welcome here, anytime, Jackie- bug the HELL (heh) out of the Slanderers!
They slander God and Christ, too!
Thank you mad, Yes they do slander God and Christ Jesus too.

Little nasty evil weasels of a coward's that they are.

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