What is a jehovah witness?
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kairos

UK

#1 Oct 18, 2006
i'd really like to know what is involved in their beliefs and what they do?

thanks
Daniel Haszard

Raymore, MO

#2 Oct 18, 2006
Jehovah's Witnesses - Who are they and what do they believe?

Knocking at your Door-Benevolent Christians OR Wolves in Sheep's Clothing?

UNLIKE in the case of Christians who are persecuted in other lands for talking about Jesus Christ, Jehovah's Witnesses are largely persecuted for following the teachings of their corporate headquarters.

The deadbeat Watchtower corporation pays no municipal taxes on their buildings, without even one charity to compensate the community.

[ Think! When was the last time you saw a Jehovah's Witness charity for the poor?]

The Watchtower is BIG money, being one of the top 40 New York City Corporations making nearly one billion dollars a year. That's just from one of their many corporations.

Jehovah's Witnesses follow the teachings begun during the second presidency of the Watchtower, when Joseph F. Rutherford took over in a corporate flap and began changing doctrines quickly in the Watchtower belief system.

He claimed that angels directly conveyed "truth" to some of those in leadership. He coined the name "Jehovah's Witnesses" to make them stand out from being witnesses of Jesus, a typical evangelical expression (and a Biblical one).

Rutherford dumped holidays, birthdays and the 1874 date for the invisible return on Christ, and INVENTED an "earthly class" of Witnesses, since only 144,000 can go to heaven according to their teaching.

The rest, meaning all 99.9% of Witnesses still alive, will live forever on a cleansed earth, under the rule of the Watchtower corporate headquarter leaders in heaven, who will keep them in line by local elders known as "princes."

If you have been "witnessed to" by Jehovah's Witnesses and you reject their message, you will likely DIE "shortly" at Armageddon with all the other non-Witnesses, since theirs is the ONLY TRUE RELIGION, and (if they can live up to all the rules) they are the only ones to inhabit this "new earth."

If you believe Witnesses seem rigid now, any non-conformist during the future "cleansed earth" will be directly destroyed by their god. Even now a Witness will be disfellowshipped (excommunicated) for any one of many gaffs, such as smoking, taking a blood transfusion, or even voting.

To even vocally question the teachings of the Jehovah's Witness organization will result in complete cutting off, with family and friends usually being forbidden to talk to them.

The Watchtower is a truly ORWELLIAN world.

In his "Adams Versus God," Melbourne broadcaster Phillip Adams said in 1985 that, according to US studies, "Jehovah's Witnesses are more likely to be admitted to psychiatric hospitals than the general population".

"According to an article in the British Journal of Psychiatry," he said, "they are three times more likely to be diagnosed as suffering from schizophrenia and four times more likely to be paranoid schizophrenics.

"As a writer in the American journal Free Inquiry puts it:'Either the Jehovah's Witness sect tends to attract an excess of pre-psychotic individuals who may then break down, or else being a Jehovah's Witness is itself a stress that may precipitate psychosis. "'Possibly both of these factors operate together ...'"

Are they knocking at your door?
Setfree

Wildersville, TN

#3 Oct 18, 2006
Daniel Haszard wrote:
Are they knocking at your door?

Setfree sez:
Not anymore. I am villified and condemned by Jehovah's Witnesses because I accepted Jesus as my personal Lord and Savior and escaped from the apostate Watchtower Society.
Donna Fabio

Phoenix, AZ

#4 Oct 18, 2006
kairos wrote:
i'd really like to know what is involved in their beliefs and what they do?
thanks
If you really are sincere in knowing what Jehovah's Witnesses believes it would be wise to ask one of them the next time they knock on your door. They will be glad to provide a free home bible study to anyone without obligation.
RedhorseWoman

United States

#5 Oct 19, 2006
Donna Fabio wrote:
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If you really are sincere in knowing what Jehovah's Witnesses believes it would be wise to ask one of them the next time they knock on your door. They will be glad to provide a free home bible study to anyone without obligation.
The home Bible study is certainly a misnomer. JWs WILL, however, provide a free home Watchtower literature study, which will give you one side of the picture and little else. They will also not divulge many of the less popular JW beliefs during those studies, which are, in truth, indoctrination sessions to hook you into converting.

Caveat Emptor.
Borgfree

Rancho Cordova, CA

#6 Oct 19, 2006
Donna Fabio wrote:
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If you really are sincere in knowing what Jehovah's Witnesses believes it would be wise to ask one of them the next time they knock on your door. They will be glad to provide a free home bible study to anyone without obligation.
Good idea! and, the next time you are trying to decide if you should buy a used car, do not go to the previous owner, or a mechanic, just go to the used car salesman, you can trust him.
stark

Rumney, NH

#7 Nov 3, 2006
I would love to have the JW's drop by and discuss the Deity of Christ or the Resurrection of Christ with me. Sadly, after one of their elders slammed his book and told me "the devil's in you boy!" and stormed out of my house, I very rarely see them, and when I do they won't stay and talk. Apparently what irratated him was that I didn't get stuck with his questions plus I was explaining with scripture the Deity of Christ. I heard from someone else that JW's are the teachers, and hate to be taught.
So tell me what is the best way to get them back?
Setfree

Wildersville, TN

#8 Nov 3, 2006
stark wrote:
I would love to have the JW's drop by and discuss the Deity of Christ or the Resurrection of Christ with me. Sadly, after one of their elders slammed his book and told me "the devil's in you boy!" and stormed out of my house, I very rarely see them, and when I do they won't stay and talk. Apparently what irratated him was that I didn't get stuck with his questions plus I was explaining with scripture the Deity of Christ. I heard from someone else that JW's are the teachers, and hate to be taught.
So tell me what is the best way to get them back?
You said, "I heard from someone else that JW's are the teachers, and hate to be taught." I was 'studying' the 'Bible' with a doctor who tried to teach me the real Gospel about Jesus. I packed up my litter a ture and left because I was so convinced that no one could teach me anything since I was in God's Organization.

That was before I found out the Watchtower Society has twisted Scripture, vacillated on many doctrines, misquoted 'Christendom's' commentators, expelled members for asking honest questions about a number of issues that shed light that this religious group is deceived at best and deceptive at worst.

Because they like getting their ears tickled, most of them are so far gone that they cannot be revived.
stark

Rumney, NH

#9 Nov 3, 2006
Setfree wrote:
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You said, "I heard from someone else that JW's are the teachers, and hate to be taught." I was 'studying' the 'Bible' with a doctor who tried to teach me the real Gospel about Jesus. I packed up my litter a ture and left because I was so convinced that no one could teach me anything since I was in God's Organization.
That was before I found out the Watchtower Society has twisted Scripture, vacillated on many doctrines, misquoted 'Christendom's' commentators, expelled members for asking honest questions about a number of issues that shed light that this religious group is deceived at best and deceptive at worst.
Because they like getting their ears tickled, most of them are so far gone that they cannot be revived.
setfree,
So tell me, is there something that I can say that would make any of them stop and think? If you don't mind, what was that first spark of light for you?
RedhorseWoman

Providence, RI

#10 Nov 4, 2006
stark wrote:
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setfree,
So tell me, is there something that I can say that would make any of them stop and think? If you don't mind, what was that first spark of light for you?
I don't think that there is any one spark of light for any particular JW. In many cases, it is small inconsistencies and hypocrisies that add up over a period of years.

Initially, most JWs, even if they have doubts, will follow the Society's advise and try to "adjust their thinking" to be in accord with the Slave. Many go for years with doubts and concerns that they simply stuff in the back of their minds until it becomes so overwhelming that they can no longer deny what they've known for ages.

Sometimes, however, there will be one big, glaring error that strikes the JW particularly hard and that ONE event will be the turning point.

In other words, there IS no magic formula.
stark

Rumney, NH

#11 Nov 4, 2006
RedhorseWoman wrote:
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I don't think that there is any one spark of light for any particular JW. In many cases, it is small inconsistencies and hypocrisies that add up over a period of years.
Initially, most JWs, even if they have doubts, will follow the Society's advise and try to "adjust their thinking" to be in accord with the Slave. Many go for years with doubts and concerns that they simply stuff in the back of their minds until it becomes so overwhelming that they can no longer deny what they've known for ages.
Sometimes, however, there will be one big, glaring error that strikes the JW particularly hard and that ONE event will be the turning point.
In other words, there IS no magic formula.
I guess I'm just looking for something to help break down the wall the JW's have built against the Gospel.
I feel for these people, they work so hard for a righteousness that doesn't come by work, but by faith in the grace of God. They do have faith but it's a faith in a man made organization, and when I make some points that clearly disproves what the organization teaches they assume I have a devil in me.
My prayers are for these dear people, may the light of Jesus Christ shine into the darkness of the watchtower organization.
RedhorseWoman

Providence, RI

#12 Nov 4, 2006
Stark, I think that we're all hoping that we can somehow get through to them. Have patience. I know that several have posted on various boards that discussions such as the ones here did cause them to start researching things (in order to defend the JW beliefs) and they discovered that they were, in fact, being taught lies. They are now ex-JWs.

It takes time, but those that are honest-hearted and searching for truth WILL eventually leave the JW organization.
Ronald -a Witness

Dagupan, Philippines

#13 Nov 5, 2006
kairos wrote:
i'd really like to know what is involved in their beliefs and what they do?
thanks
"'We think it proper to hear from you what your thoughts are, for truly as regards this sect it is known to us that everywhere it is spoken against.'(Acts 28:22) These community leaders in first-century Rome set a fine example. They wanted to hear from the source, rather than from outside critics alone.
"Similarly, Jehovah's Witnesses today are often spoken against, and it would be a mistake to expect to learn the truth about them from prejudiced sources. So [they] are pleased to explain to you some of [their] principal beliefs." Jehovah's Witnesses conduct Bible studies free of charge with interested people in their homes. Feel free to request this service.

-excerpt from the tract, "What Do Jehovah's Witnesses Believe?" (1987)
Borgfree

Rancho Cordova, CA

#14 Nov 5, 2006
Ronald a Witness said: "'We think it proper to hear from you what your thoughts are, for truly as regards this sect it is known to us that everywhere it is spoken against.'(Acts 28:22)...."Similarly, Jehovah's Witnesses today are often spoken against, and it would be a mistake to expect to learn the truth about them from prejudiced sources."

Anyone can quote a scripture and apply to him or herself. The question then is; can they show the scripture legitimately applies to them.

Jehovah's witnesses cannot.

The message of those early Christians is NOTHING LIKE the message given to unsuspecting victims by Jehovah's witnesses.
howdy doody

Kansas City, KS

#15 Nov 5, 2006
It's easy to see the emptiness in these replies. These people have found nothing to replace what they have lost by disqualifying themselves as Jehovah's Witnesses; therefore, they hover around any site where they might come in contact with their former brothers and sisters.

The truth is that most if not all of them have been their own downfall, either as a result of serious wrongdoing or simply failing to maintain a spiritual routine of Bible study and losing their faith.

You will note that they claim that Jehovah's Witnesses do not use the Bible, but rather other publications. This probably was their habit when they were attending meetings and acting as Witnesses.

In fact, faithful Witnesses are sustained by a very active program of Bible reading and study, which includes reading the Bible daily, a weekly program of reading and studying 3 to 5 chapters of the Bible in depth, periodic weekly verse-by-verse study of individual books of the Bible, most recently the book of Daniel, before that the book of Isaiah, starting soon the book of Revelation.

Every verse of every book is read if the recommended study schedule is followed, and when we finish reading every verse of every book, we start over again and read the Bible completely through again in the same manner.

Granted, the ex-Jehovah's Witnesses who post here evidently did not follow that routine. That is why they claim that all Witnesses are as they were and that is why they are no longer Witnesses.
RedhorseWoman

Providence, RI

#16 Nov 5, 2006
Perhaps, Howdy, you could tell us how many "Bible" studies are done WITHOUT the use of Watchtower literature. Any of them? Your "study" of Daniel, etc. is done from a Watchtower publication, is it not?

I don't remember ANY meeting of Jehovah's Witnesses that was EVER conducted using ONLY the Bible....not one. Has this changed? If so, why do JWs get so excited at every assembly when a new Watchtower publication is presented?

IF they study the Bible and the Bible alone, such publications would be totally unnecessary.

Fess up, Howdy....you're obfuscating.
brian

Croatia

#17 Nov 5, 2006
howdy doody wrote:
It's easy to see the emptiness in these replies. These people have found nothing to replace what they have lost by disqualifying themselves as Jehovah's Witnesses; therefore, they hover around any site where they might come in contact with their former brothers and sisters.
The truth is that most if not all of them have been their own downfall, either as a result of serious wrongdoing or simply failing to maintain a spiritual routine of Bible study and losing their faith.
You will note that they claim that Jehovah's Witnesses do not use the Bible, but rather other publications. This probably was their habit when they were attending meetings and acting as Witnesses.
In fact, faithful Witnesses are sustained by a very active program of Bible reading and study, which includes reading the Bible daily, a weekly program of reading and studying 3 to 5 chapters of the Bible in depth, periodic weekly verse-by-verse study of individual books of the Bible, most recently the book of Daniel, before that the book of Isaiah, starting soon the book of Revelation.
Every verse of every book is read if the recommended study schedule is followed, and when we finish reading every verse of every book, we start over again and read the Bible completely through again in the same manner.
Granted, the ex-Jehovah's Witnesses who post here evidently did not follow that routine. That is why they claim that all Witnesses are as they were and that is why they are no longer Witnesses.
I wouldn't agree,since i left the organization, everything in my life got better since i got to know Jesus. I woud never go back to that organization.
You are reding verses of the bible from the books that guide you to the selected verses,i was a Jws and i never read JUST the bible i always read verses.
howdy doody

Kansas City, KS

#18 Nov 5, 2006
RedhorseWoman wrote:
Perhaps, Howdy, you could tell us how many "Bible" studies are done WITHOUT the use of Watchtower literature. Any of them? Your "study" of Daniel, etc. is done from a Watchtower publication, is it not?
I don't remember ANY meeting of Jehovah's Witnesses that was EVER conducted using ONLY the Bible....not one. Has this changed? If so, why do JWs get so excited at every assembly when a new Watchtower publication is presented?

IF they study the Bible and the Bible alone, such publications would be totally unnecessary.
Fess up, Howdy....you're obfuscating.
Better question for you:

Has any Bible study (home or congregation)ever been conducted without a Bible? Could you go to meetings of Jehovah's Witnesses without a Bible and feel comfortable, not need it, not use it?

Yes, study guides and outlines are used for the sake of order and as background, practical application, history that shows fulfillment of Bible prophesy and many other reasons.

But anyone can have a home Bible study using only the Bible if they are really interested in studying the Bible. I myself had been brainwashed by my previous religion not to read Watchtower literature for fear of being misled. So I refused all literature from the Witness who called on me.

I was, however, very interested in finding out what the Bible really taught, since a passing Witness acquaintance had tipped me off that the Trinity was not a Bible teaching. He told me to pay attention as I read the Bible in church and I would see that the trinity teaching was false. I had done that, and he was right. So I wanted to see what else I had been taught that was false.

The Witness patiently answered my questions and directed me to scriptures. After the Witness left, I would pore over my Bible looking for contradictions to what the Witness had showed me, very suspicious that I was being misled, because of my former religious brainwashing.

Because of my insatiable appetite for spiritual food and the huge number of questions I asked, the Witness offered me a small book called "Make Sure of All Things, Hold Fast To What Is Fine". It contained almost nothing but scriptures grouped under headings that answered my many questions. It was printed on lovely thin paper like a Bible. I had always bought a lot of books, as I was a voracious reader, and I insisted on paying for the book, as I was sure I had more money than the humble Witness who gave me the book. When I was told the suggested contribution was 75 cents, I could not believe it. After all, my religious brainwashing had included the propaganda that the Witnesses sold their literature to make money. Ha!

When I saw how much better it was to study this way, by subject matter with so much work having been done
to group all that the Bible had to say on that subject, there was no going back to my laborious method. I finally realized that I read many books and magazines and watched television and listened to the radio and took in all sorts of ideas and opinions without fear, evaluated them and made my own decisions about them. So why would this be any different?

Many Bible studies are started using just the Bible, but they seldom continue that way, not because we insist on anything else, but because the student sees the value of the study method Witnesses use.
RedhorseWoman

Providence, RI

#19 Nov 5, 2006
Thank you, HD, for answering the question exactly as I knew you would. You have confirmed that JWs do NOT study the Bible WITHOUT utilizing the Watchtower literature.

Now, to expand on that thought, we need to consider that it is the literature that is studied, and the Bible is merely utilized sporadically to pull individual scriptures out of context in order to support the Watchtower position.

The literature is studied and a question and answer session is established wherein the Watchtower thoughts are parrotted back "in one's own words." There is little to no discussion of any points, but only rote reinforcement of Watchtower ideology.

As far as the "making money" is concerned, you really need to consider the actual cost of that literature. Most of the cost of "worldly" literature comes in the advertising and distribution of that literature. The Watchtower Society has their little salespeople doing all of the advertising and distribution for free. The only cost to them is for the actual paper on which the literature is printed and the cost to run the machinery to do it. The labor is free, the advertising is free, the distribution is free.

That 75 cent book probably cost less than a nickel to produce, so that's a pretty good profit. All you need to do is to look at the millions of dollars of assets owned by the Watchtower Society to know how much they make from that literature.

It's good business....for them.
Claude Kenneson

Monticello, FL

#20 Nov 5, 2006
Howdy Doody,
At a Book Study and a Watchtower Study, what percentage would you say comes from the book, as compared to the Bible? Which do you depend upon the most? And that is exactly the same method that was used in my initial "Bible" study. I was told the book would help me to understand the Bible better. Read the question. Give an answer. Look up the Bible passages supporting what is said. Read the paragraph. Go to the next question, and repeat the above. Translation: The Bible was explained to me a la Watchtower interpretation. I now call this method regurgitation.

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