“KeepProclaiming Christ Death ”

Since: Dec 09

Lynchburg, VA

#608 Jul 9, 2012
Hoodwinked wrote:
<quoted text> That's all it takes. The court documents are clear it says over and over again that the elders knew Kendrick was a danger and because of the policy's of the Watchtower they didn't warn the parents of the danger. Sadly he went on to molested Candace and then the grandchild of his new wife. Both of these children will now have to live the rest of their lives with what happened to them, something that could have been avoided :(
Has Kathleen Conti or anyone released the latest court documents? If they do will someone please be sure to let me know. The whole thing with the JW's like ThirdWitness & Dream-weaver is saving face, not the truth or the victims. Fortunately, the courts are only concerned about the truth.

“Bustin' Myths”

Since: Dec 09

Location hidden

#609 Jul 9, 2012
Lordylordy9111 wrote:
<quoted text>
Has Kathleen Conti or anyone released the latest court documents? If they do will someone please be sure to let me know. The whole thing with the JW's like ThirdWitness & Dream-weaver is saving face, not the truth or the victims. Fortunately, the courts are only concerned about the truth.
From the Candace Conti FB page:

The transcripts of the trial will be released Monday and we should be getting documents to view by the end of the week.
elijahovah

Kenosha, WI

#610 Jul 27, 2012
What you need to assess is how a numbr of people will GROUP to manipulate wholooks good and who is in the wrong. The Bible says YOU SHOULD NOT BE TAKING YOUR BROTHERS TO THE COURT OFTHE LANDS (THE PAGANS). But the problem with people of any land and any court is they reverse what things are said. For example, all beetles are insects but not all insect are beetles, so if asked are insects beetles and a yes or no demanded instead of freedom to speak or right to be silent, then the no results in people who will say the reverse beetles are not insects. Games. They exist whether church or state. So not taking your brother to court and handling matters they feel means be a court yourself. Does it? In fact scripture says NOT THAT YOU MUST HAVE WITNESSES of every crime. But it says bring two to listen to the matter, one then two, s that they have two witnesses of what the man says. The man i had to approach lied and said i didnt approach him. So approached again, i was forced in a back room where he claimed his assault on me was my attempt to removed all elders one by one starting with him. Next step would be to create the first witness, approach him wih someone, then approach with two. These people would witness his game playing evil words if he dares say them, but presence should make him speak only good and resolve it.Otherwise cm back with the 1st and 2nd witness together. THIS is published so why isnt it the method. Instead a whole body of many elders were gathered in a room for me and they said this is to gain the brother. Again translation wasnt make him repent so te brother has becom a good man, but rather it was intent to declae te man innocent and resolved issue, thus not merely ignoring the crime but actually declaring the mn washed clean, to sayhe is still our brother now, though he does this sin to everyone. By your own law you will be judge. The law holds riders in a bank robbery get-away vehical as liable with the one man who robs. The WathcTower does too, ifyou have alcohol at a wedding they will reprove you publicly for one drunk man if justone person is offended someone was drunk. So how then can you appeal that your membership is in association with you doing these things, when others like me were gang bang in kingdom hall JW court and lies shoved down your throat of what they think YOU do so that the sins of elders are nothing, and small, or not even real. Jesus said with their own measure the WT would receive in return. This is not a claim that Judas selling Jesus was equal return to Jesus insulting Judas. But it is a claim that Jesus knew h ad an ear to heal or he was guilty of sin for what his Peter did.

Since: Jul 10

Location hidden

#611 Jul 27, 2012
elijahovah wrote:
What you need to assess is how a numbr of people will GROUP to manipulate wholooks good and who is in the wrong. The Bible says YOU SHOULD NOT BE TAKING YOUR BROTHERS TO THE COURT OFTHE LANDS (THE PAGANS). But the problem with people of any land and any court is they reverse what things are said. For example, all beetles are insects but not all insect are beetles, so if asked are insects beetles and a yes or no demanded instead of freedom to speak or right to be silent, then the no results in people who will say the reverse beetles are not insects. Games. They exist whether church or state. So not taking your brother to court and handling matters they feel means be a court yourself. Does it? In fact scripture says NOT THAT YOU MUST HAVE WITNESSES of every crime. But it says bring two to listen to the matter, one then two, s that they have two witnesses of what the man says. The man i had to approach lied and said i didnt approach him. So approached again, i was forced in a back room where he claimed his assault on me was my attempt to removed all elders one by one starting with him. Next step would be to create the first witness, approach him wih someone, then approach with two. These people would witness his game playing evil words if he dares say them, but presence should make him speak only good and resolve it.Otherwise cm back with the 1st and 2nd witness together. THIS is published so why isnt it the method. Instead a whole body of many elders were gathered in a room for me and they said this is to gain the brother. Again translation wasnt make him repent so te brother has becom a good man, but rather it was intent to declae te man innocent and resolved issue, thus not merely ignoring the crime but actually declaring the mn washed clean, to sayhe is still our brother now, though he does this sin to everyone. By your own law you will be judge. The law holds riders in a bank robbery get-away vehical as liable with the one man who robs. The WathcTower does too, ifyou have alcohol at a wedding they will reprove you publicly for one drunk man if justone person is offended someone was drunk. So how then can you appeal that your membership is in association with you doing these things, when others like me were gang bang in kingdom hall JW court and lies shoved down your throat of what they think YOU do so that the sins of elders are nothing, and small, or not even real. Jesus said with their own measure the WT would receive in return. This is not a claim that Judas selling Jesus was equal return to Jesus insulting Judas. But it is a claim that Jesus knew h ad an ear to heal or he was guilty of sin for what his Peter did.
.
. The WTS.. Goes to court for a good many things.. here's a thought... A person.. Who is a baptized member of the cong.. Pehaps a ministerial servant.. or elder.. decides that he .. will molest one of the children in the cong... And that child eventually takes him to court.. TO me that person.. who willfully ..and knowing did the act.. Without caring .. that he had spit in God's eye... Should NOT be..considered a brother... HE ..by his actions... defiled not only a child..but himself..and th cong.. and those that would up hold him ..condone what he did.

“KeepProclaiming Christ Death ”

Since: Dec 09

Lynchburg, VA

#612 Jul 27, 2012
elijahovah wrote:
What you need to assess is how a numbr of people will GROUP to manipulate wholooks good and who is in the wrong. The Bible says YOU SHOULD NOT BE TAKING YOUR BROTHERS TO THE COURT OFTHE LANDS (THE PAGANS). But the problem with people of any land and any court is they reverse what things are said. For example, all beetles are insects but not all insect are beetles, so if asked are insects beetles and a yes or no demanded instead of freedom to speak or right to be silent, then the no results in people who will say the reverse beetles are not insects. Games. They exist whether church or state. So not taking your brother to court and handling matters they feel means be a court yourself. Does it? In fact scripture says NOT THAT YOU MUST HAVE WITNESSES of every crime. But it says bring two to listen to the matter, one then two, s that they have two witnesses of what the man says. The man i had to approach lied and said i didnt approach him. So approached again, i was forced in a back room where he claimed his assault on me was my attempt to removed all elders one by one starting with him. Next step would be to create the first witness, approach him wih someone, then approach with two. These people would witness his game playing evil words if he dares say them, but presence should make him speak only good and resolve it.Otherwise cm back with the 1st and 2nd witness together. THIS is published so why isnt it the method. Instead a whole body of many elders were gathered in a room for me and they said this is to gain the brother. Again translation wasnt make him repent so te brother has becom a good man, but rather it was intent to declae te man innocent and resolved issue, thus not merely ignoring the crime but actually declaring the mn washed clean, to sayhe is still our brother now, though he does this sin to everyone. By your own law you will be judge. The law holds riders in a bank robbery get-away vehical as liable with the one man who robs. The WathcTower does too, ifyou have alcohol at a wedding they will reprove you publicly for one drunk man if justone person is offended someone was drunk. So how then can you appeal that your membership is in association with you doing these things, when others like me were gang bang in kingdom hall JW court and lies shoved down your throat of what they think YOU do so that the sins of elders are nothing, and small, or not even real. Jesus said with their own measure the WT would receive in return. This is not a claim that Judas selling Jesus was equal return to Jesus insulting Judas. But it is a claim that Jesus knew h ad an ear to heal or he was guilty of sin for what his Peter did.
Christ Jesus didn't come here to reproach (reprove) people publicly. He came to teach not reproach. Public reproach is what the pharisees did to Jesus.

Serious crimes were to be confessed and exposed to the priest. Ancient Israel put to death those who committed serious crimes such as incest (Le 18:6-17, 29; 20:11, 12, 14).

"But go and learn what this means: "I DESIRE COMPASSION, AND NOT SACRIFICE," for I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners.""

Matthew 9:13
Paul

Oceanside, CA

#613 Aug 20, 2012
eagleeye2 wrote:
<quoted text>
A very strange story, unimaginable. How could anyone believe it?
I'm an ex-JW (disfellowshipped). You have to look at the timing of this case. Since the Presidency is coming up, Chick-fil-A/Gay Marriage issue, supposed bible pages scattered by the guy in Florida who ate the face off of the homeless man, the Pussy Riots incident in Russia, everybody is attacking any and every religion with a vengeance, because they are an easy target. And today, it is so acceptable to publically be prejudice against religion which is relatively on par to when Whites were publically prejudice and racist to non-Whites decades ago. This is a modern-day religious witch-hunt. And since JWs have largely been under the radar, and due to the fact that they maintain a very well organized, a false case like this was bound to happen due to the fact that anyone can fabricate something had happened years or decades ago and the court will take anyone's word over real evidence and common sense deductive reasoning. Just like the old lady in the 90s that sued McDonalds and won even though she spilled her own coffee on herself, this case has opened the floodgates for any and every scammer to walk into a religious institution long enough to make their face known, then get rich at a later date.
man711

United States

#614 Aug 20, 2012
Child molesters are sick no matter where they hide.
dac

Bradenton, FL

#615 Aug 20, 2012
Thirdwitness wrote:
Did you know that Candace Conti's parents let her go home with Kendrick almost every Sunday after the meeting alone for about two years? Take a look at the deposition Candace Conti gave making this claim.
Q = Attorney's question.
A = Conti's answer.
13 A. He (Kendrick) would take me to his house after meetings.
14 Q. Were these day meetings Or night meetings?
15 A. Sunday meetings.
.......
Q. And starting from about age nine he would take you to his house several times a month?
A. Witness nods head affirmative1y.
Q. Every month?
A. Witness nods head affirmative1y.
19 Q. Until 1997
20 A. Witness nods head affirmative1y.
........
23 Q. Referring to the abuse that took place in Kendrick's home, was anyone else present during any of 'these instances?
A. NO.
And all these visits she made alone to Kendrick's house did you know that her parents NEVER themselves went to Kendrick's house?
Q. Was he someone who would visit your parents'
14 home?
15 A. Yes.
16 Q. Your parents visit his home?
17 A . No.
And then rather than pick her up at Kendrick's home after she went there alone virtually every sunday her parents or parent would simply meet back at the Kingdom Hall and pick her up there.
Q. What would happen after these incidents?
A. He would take me home.
Q. And...?
A. And my dad would pick me up.
Q. Your dad would pick you up?
A. Witness nods head affirmative1y.
Q. Where would your dad pick you up?
5 A. Back at the Kingdom Hall.
What do you think of Candace Conti's parents?
I wonder why she never objected to going home alone with this molester every Sunday?
Yes. I guess she asked for it. Your an F'ing JW moron! Documents show the GB purposely tried to cover it up. But that doesn't mater because she is guilty and everyone else is innocent. Your an idiot!

Since: Aug 12

United States

#616 Aug 27, 2012
JWForever wrote:
<quoted text>
makes you wonder why that was about. The appeal should be very interesting.
Also, I read that the step-daughter was using the "touching" as blackmail to get whatever she wanted. The family knew about what he did but did nothing about it. The brothers at least removed him as MS. There was never any criminal charges brought against him.
Never any criminal charges.. at least the removed him as a MS... thank you for so simply admitting guilt.

Since: Aug 12

United States

#617 Aug 27, 2012
elijahovah wrote:
What you need to assess is how a numbr of people will GROUP to manipulate wholooks good and who is in the wrong. The Bible says YOU SHOULD NOT BE TAKING YOUR BROTHERS TO THE COURT OFTHE LANDS (THE PAGANS). But the problem with people of any land and any court is they reverse what things are said. For example, all beetles are insects but not all insect are beetles, so if asked are insects beetles and a yes or no demanded instead of freedom to speak or right to be silent, then the no results in people who will say the reverse beetles are not insects. Games. They exist whether church or state. So not taking your brother to court and handling matters they feel means be a court yourself. Does it? In fact scripture says NOT THAT YOU MUST HAVE WITNESSES of every crime. But it says bring two to listen to the matter, one then two, s that they have two witnesses of what the man says. The man i had to approach lied and said i didnt approach him. So approached again, i was forced in a back room where he claimed his assault on me was my attempt to removed all elders one by one starting with him. Next step would be to create the first witness, approach him wih someone, then approach with two. These people would witness his game playing evil words if he dares say them, but presence should make him speak only good and resolve it.Otherwise cm back with the 1st and 2nd witness together. THIS is published so why isnt it the method. Instead a whole body of many elders were gathered in a room for me and they said this is to gain the brother. Again translation wasnt make him repent so te brother has becom a good man, but rather it was intent to declae te man innocent and resolved issue, thus not merely ignoring the crime but actually declaring the mn washed clean, to sayhe is still our brother now, though he does this sin to everyone. By your own law you will be judge. The law holds riders in a bank robbery get-away vehical as liable with the one man who robs. The WathcTower does too, ifyou have alcohol at a wedding they will reprove you publicly for one drunk man if justone person is offended someone was drunk. So how then can you appeal that your membership is in association with you doing these things, when others like me were gang bang in kingdom hall JW court and lies shoved down your throat of what they think YOU do so that the sins of elders are nothing, and small, or not even real. Jesus said with their own measure the WT would receive in return. This is not a claim that Judas selling Jesus was equal return to Jesus insulting Judas. But it is a claim that Jesus knew h ad an ear to heal or he was guilty of sin for what his Peter did.
I hope you aren't the reason the holy spirit is being blocked in your congregation. Please pray for Jehovahs forgiveness- the branch directs you through the Watchtower to NOT interact with apostates. Why can't you follow your own rules??

Since: Jan 09

The lost city of Shangri La

#618 Aug 27, 2012
DerangedJdub wrote:
<quoted text>
Never any criminal charges.. at least the removed him as a MS... thank you for so simply admitting guilt.
"The elders testified that on November 11, 1993, they advised the stepdaughter and her mother, Evelyn Kendrick, that they had the absolute right to report the July 1993 incident of abuse to the authorities...Evelyn Kendrick and Fremont Police Officer Davila each testified at trial that in February 1994, Evelyn Kendrick and her stepdaughter reported the July 1993 incident of abuse to the authorities, including Child Protective Services ("CPS). Thereafter, still in February 1994, a CPS case worker and Officer Davila interviewed the stepdaughter, and in early March 1994, they interviewed Evelyn Kendrick and Jonathan Kendrick. After Jonathan Kendrick confessed to Officer Davila about the July 1993 incident of abuse, Officer Davila recommended to the Almeda County District Attorney's Office that Mr. Kendrick be charged with a sex crime for the July 1993 incident. The District Attorney filed charges against Mr. Kendrick, and he was convicted of a misdemeanor as a result." (Court Docs)
jace

Clinton, MD

#619 Aug 27, 2012
Tears of Oberon wrote:
<quoted text>
"The elders testified that on November 11, 1993, they advised the stepdaughter and her mother, Evelyn Kendrick, that they had the absolute right to report the July 1993 incident of abuse to the authorities...
it is really good to see they are getting away from scaring folks about going to the police like in the past
wt is making progress

there is hope, as jesse says KEEP HOPE ALIVE

Since: Jan 09

The lost city of Shangri La

#620 Aug 27, 2012
jace wrote:
<quoted text>
it is really good to see they are getting away from scaring folks about going to the police like in the past
wt is making progress
there is hope, as jesse says KEEP HOPE ALIVE
The Kendrick incident was nearly 20 years ago and they still encouraged the family to seek police help. What exactly is 'past' to Jace?
William E Enoch Sr

Houston, TX

#621 Oct 27, 2012
The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc. will fail. Along its way to failure, it's very likely WBTS will claim "New Light" in trying to convince its members the Judge in the case is "Mentally Diseased".
Wisconsin Rocks

Schofield, WI

#622 Oct 27, 2012
William E Enoch Sr wrote:
The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York, Inc. will fail. Along its way to failure, it's very likely WBTS will claim "New Light" in trying to convince its members the Judge in the case is "Mentally Diseased".
They do this now on this site with every Proven point of facts made, they use the same old brainwashed statements...

It's so Obvious this dangerous cult is going down fast, yet there will always be a few fools to follow a dangerous cult...

“YOUR WT OVERLORD”

Since: Dec 06

Putingrad

#623 Oct 29, 2012
PROVEN, DEMONSTRABLE & INDISPUTABLE FACTS RE: THE KENDRICK-CONTI AFFAIR:

From: http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-...
I wrote:
With regard to Jonathan Kendrick being a "known child molester" in November of 1993, the following remain INDISPUTABLE facts:

There was no "evidence" that Jonathan Kendrick was such a thing.

There was no "corroborated allegation" [1] that Jonathan Kendrick was such a thing.

Jonathan Kendrick had not confessed to being such a thing; in fact, he confessed to "inadvertently" touching his step-daughter when encountering her unexpectedly in a darkened room.
From: http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-...
I wrote:
Both cases [Romero v. Superior Court (2001) 98 Cal.App.4th 1068, Chaney v. Superior Court (1995) 39 Cal.App.4th 152] state the requirement that [a private person must have actual knowledge of the perpetrator's propensity for sexual abuse before imposition of a duty to protect a minor can be imposed]. The Romero Court held that [no duty could be imposed on] the parents "because there is no evidence from which the trier of fact could find that the Romeros had prior [actual knowledge] of Joseph's propensity to sexually assault female minors."
[Emphasis added]

From: http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-...
I wrote:
Why is your idol "John Cedars" - along with the drones that frequent his blog - afraid to speak to the points of the Conti Civil Action that actually matter? Like the little, inconsequential matter of there being no evidence WHATSOEVER that Candice Conti was actually abused by Jonathan Kendrick? Or maybe it's the little, inconsequential matter of the FACT that in November of 1993 that Jonathan Kendrick was not a "known child molester" and that there was no basis for any congregational action against him? Or maybe the little, inconsequential matter of the FACT that Candice Conti was, in 2001/2002, the ONLY person who was in a position to do ANYTHING AT ALL about Jonathan Kendrick by taking her allegations to the PROPER AUTHORITIES, or the matter of the FACT that, although she began publicly accusing Jonathan Kendrick of sexually abusing her at that time she FAILED to take those allegations to the PROPER AUTHORITIES and that, in FAILING to do so, Kendrick remained free to commit ACTUAL abuse against another girl?
For more demonstrable and INDISPUTABLE facts, see:
_____

http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-...

http://www.topix.com/forum/religion/jehovahs-...

“LADY WARRIOR”

Since: Apr 11

THUG HUNTER

#624 Oct 29, 2012
man711 wrote:
Child molesters are sick no matter where they hide.
They are very sick. The Briana Lopez case was one of the worst. No one in their right mind can stomach this crime. Jehovah will rid the earth of such monsters.
elijahovah

Kenosha, WI

#625 Oct 31, 2012
Jacob pins mass murder on his two sons not his daughter as a whore. And though the WT first says she was the fault for being with the pagans, now some JWs comment during meetings saying she was raped. Now I wonder when the husband of Tamar died, so that she was without child, and finally she dressed up as a pagan prostitute to go to a pagan city because she knows Judah travels to this pagan city and while traveling he screws his head off with this pagan prostitute. About to put Tamar to death for being pregnant, i ask why didnt they do it the Kingdom Hall way and kill her despite Judah being the father. How did Judah being the father excuse it. According to JWs this Tamar the foremother of Jesus should have been killed so that we have no Christ. If an elder got his engaged wife pregnant because she hid her face like a prostitute, then the KH would have DFd her (death) on charges of deception like a prostitute and fornication while excusing Elder Judah. This is about preference not justice. Scripture says that a woman engaged who has sex with another is adultery, but JWs DF people who have sex with their own engaged mate, which has never been done by Jew nor Christian, only JWs who define fornication the Christendom way (by the license) yet gives out license to marry when the government wont, and declare the license of Cyrus as Jehovah's holy word, but the Bitish license of 1914 to build a temple of 144,000 is spit on as no value. Then too how is it that Joseph is not DFd by the family because he is married to an Egyptian priest. How is it they come to live with him if they accuse him of planting his cup on them as stolen. At the kingdom Hall wouldnt these 10 men (brothers) continue to the death to put all blame on Joseph, or is it Joseph had the Egyptian court in his favor to force it.
elijahovah

Kenosha, WI

#626 Oct 31, 2012
I think it neds to be pointed out that although Pharisees could not get two definate witnesses to kill Jesus, that of 12 apostles nor were there two witnesses to defend him. Better there be no witnesses than false witnesses. In other words if JWs get on a stand and they lie, then they would have been better off in Jehovah's eyes to go run and hide like apostles did, or lie like Peter and deny knowing anything, excuse himself from it. No real true person wants to be defended by his friends telling lies to clear him. And thats what you have, elders who want to clear their own name because theyre thinking that Jehovah's name is clear by clearing their own with covered up lies. And clearing your own name with lies always means lying to pin blame on someone else. I was forced to hear lies from one elder before 12-20 elders and servants so the man could give a Sunday talk the next day. I have no doubt the records falsely state in some letter to the WT that the matter was settled by my accepting an apology that i didnt accept. My words were IF that were an apology, i would accept it, but it wasnt, the elder said I am sorry i ever did anything for you. And all of them in this packed back room applauded. Wasnt Jehovah's spirit, had to be satan's. Motive was not justice, but for him to give the talk the next day.Reminded me of kill Jesus before Sabbath starts.
Anonymous

Turlock, CA

#627 Nov 10, 2012
JWForever wrote:
<quoted text>
makes you wonder why that was about. The appeal should be very interesting.
Also, I read that the step-daughter was using the "touching" as blackmail to get whatever she wanted. The family knew about what he did but did nothing about it. The brothers at least removed him as MS. There was never any criminal charges brought against him.
Are you aware of the letter from the body of elders, to the watchtower society, following his confession that he molested his daughter. That the only reason he went to the elders, was because he was afraid his daughter would tell the police (because her behavior had become "loose" following the molestation, and she threatened to call the police if her parents punished her). He approached the elders because he wanted them to help him figure out a way to bring her back under control, and to keep her from telling! Did they call the police as they were legally required to do? No, they wrote a letter to the society. The response from the watchtower society, no need to reprove him. No need to even call a judicial committee. He only molested her, he didn't fully rape her, so it wasn't pornea. Consensual sex between adults is serious business. Molesting children? Well the bible doesn't say anything about that, must not be a big deal...I'm horrified that my friends, the very elders in the congregation in which I grew up, the men I trusted, allowed this girl to not just be abused, but to be viscously restrained and raped. I'm even more horrified that this is far from an isolated case. As there must be two witnesses to corroborate an accusation, they know they can rarely count on the congregation to take any action, other than to remind the victim that making the accusations public will result in the victim being disfellowshipped. In fact it is that policy that lost the case for the society. It is not that this man molested her, it is that the congregation protects the perpetrator, while punishing the victims. The letter to the body of elders following this case directed some change, but still not enough, and still putting the societies decisions as to whether or not the police should be called, above that of the law. Real change needs to be made, or there will be more cases just like this one. The first change needs to be blaming the perpetrator and those who conspire with him, and not blaming the victim.

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